Ray Lewis Yells at Harbaugh
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CowboyFan74;2596229 said:Along with name calling
was never told i couldn't do it, just be clever about it. : )
point taken however. it just seems like people want to compare a broad situation to specific topics as if it's the same and are in reality trolling for reaction.
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Ray is intense. Check this out : http://www.thebrushback.com/Archives/rlewisintensity_full.htm
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CowboyFan74;2595953 said:I'm watching Inside the NFL right now and they showed a little clip of Ray yelling at the head coach. He basically said "Every time you take your best middle linebacker out of the game, they run it up the middle on us. I've been playing this game for 13 years and I was tell you coaches the same thing." Then he smacks his helmet and walks off.
Big deal, players that care about winning get passionate. Now chime in about TO
he's a diva. cut him.
wait we haven't signed him yet? sign him then cut him.
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Double Trouble;2596262 said:
vs a team or a couple bad apples? Maybe a bit exaggeration by the media?
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Does Lewis ***** about the coaching and the scheme in national interviews?
Does he divide up the locker room into us vs. them?
Does he irrationally decide a coach or teammate is "disrespecting" him and refuse to talk to them anymore?
For the millionth time... Yelling on the sideline isn't the problem people have with TO.
Does he divide up the locker room into us vs. them?
Does he irrationally decide a coach or teammate is "disrespecting" him and refuse to talk to them anymore?
For the millionth time... Yelling on the sideline isn't the problem people have with TO.
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NextGenBoys;2595962 said:
I don't know why Cowboys fans just can't get it through their thick skulls why T.O. is held to a different standard than others who do the same thing.
How many teams has Ray Lewis gotten released from because of his attitude?
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Chocolate Lab;2596542 said:
that's the point i've been trying to make. it's like saying because charles manson ate at mcdonalds, all people who ate at mcdonalds are psycho killers.
it's only a connection if you NEED it to be, not because it is.
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I don't know where all this adulation for ray lewis comes from.
We are talking about a thug who plea bargained his way out of a murder rap. Bloodstains on his clothes, in his getaway limo and in his home.
Telling someone to "keep his mouth shut" about the killings, etc.
Pathetic.
In an era in which we drag T.O. through the mud for being outspoken we are ready to accept this guy?
Don't tarnish the star with a felon. Or one that should have served time for taking part in a killing.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Lewis murder charges dropped[/FONT]
Ravens star accepts misdemeanor charge, will testify
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Click here for more on this story[/FONT]
Posted: Monday June 05, 2000 09:31 PM
[FONT=helvetica,arial]The prosecution's case against Lewis suffered setbacks when key witnesses provided conflicting testimony. AP[/FONT]
ATLANTA (CNNSI.com) -- A judge Monday approved a deal allowing Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis to avoid murder charges and jail time by pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and testifying against two co-defendants.
Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis can not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.
Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard refused to say how the plea agreement was brokered but said his office made the right decision to prosecute Lewis.
"A trial is an instrument to reach the truth, and I think that in many respects it has been shielded," Howard said. "We are continuing to try to bring the truth forward."
The prosecution waived any further charges against Lewis.
"It's a good day for Ray," defense attorney Don Samuel said he entered the courthouse for the day's court session.
Lewis walked into court Monday morning tossing the yellow tennis ball he has clutched throughout the first two weeks of testimony.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Art Modell's Statement[/FONT][FONT=helvetica,arial]The following is the text of a statement released to CNNSI.com by Baltimore Ravens president and owner Art Modell:[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"From the beginning of this tough situation for all involved, we believed in and supported Ray Lewis. We also believe in the court system and the due process that found Ray to be innocent of the very serious charges. He can now get on with his life, including his work with the Ravens.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"As I said at Ray's bond hearing in February, Ray is a good young man. Even during these difficult past four months, he has made the effort to help his family, his teammates, and others who rely on his good will and generosity.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"It will be great to see Ray back in our facilities and on the field soon." [/FONT]
Samuel said Lewis will testify against his co-defendants as part of the deal, which also calls for aggravated assault charges against the linebacker to be dropped.
But the lawyer said Lewis' testimony won't be "devastating" to Sweeting and Oakley. He said Lewis never saw a knife during the fight.
Lewis is expected to testify Tuesday. Bonner sent the jurors home Monday morning, but defense attorneys asked her not to tell them about the plea.
On Sunday, Lewis' lawyers plea bargained for a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice and Lewis will testify as the prosecution continues its case against co-defendants Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting.
Prosecutors presented little proof that the Baltimore Ravens linebacker assaulted anyone during a Jan. 31 street fight that left two men dead.
"It seems like the prosecution is starting to run out of gas, and it doesn't seem like they had much in the tank in the first place," said Irwin R. Kramer, a defense attorney from suburban Baltimore who is following the case.
Without much direct evidence linking Lewis to the stabbings of Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker, prosecutors are trying to convince the jury that Lewis participated in a conspiracy to cover up the crime.
But that's not what he is charged with. Lewis and two friends, Sweeting and Oakley, are facing only the more serious charges of murder, felony murder and aggravated assault.
"There's no evidence of guilt here," said Samuel. "So all of the post-conduct circumstances are irrelevant."
Lewis has a four-year, $26 million contract with the Ravens and is one of the NFL's best defensive players. The team said Monday he will be welcome to rejoin the club at a voluntary minicamp next week.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Paul Tagliabue's Statement[/FONT][FONT=helvetica,arial]The following is a statement from NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue:[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"Today's developments will help put this tragic incident behind us. Ray Lewis has been entirely cleared of the charge that he was responsible [/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]for the loss of life that occurred in Atlanta in late January.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"There are many lessons to be learned as we review this case. If anyone in the NFL needed a reminder that high-profile professional athletes need to be extraordinarily careful in their associations and activities, Ray Lewis' experience provides that reminder.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"We will continue to work as hard as we can to ensure that our players do not become involved in these types of situations." [/FONT]Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported Monday that the NFL likely will fine Lewis, but he will not be suspended based on the fact that Lewis was innocent of charges of murder, despite pleading guilty to obstruction of justice. Defense attorney Ed Garland said he and Lewis discussed the plea agreement thoroughly and went over his testimony before going to court.
"He said a prayer with me about his duties and his responsibilities and what he was doing and he was happy to go forward and let the truth -- all of it -- come out," he said.
Garland said Lewis' only crime was to tell his companions after the brawl that led to the deaths, "Keep your mouth shut," and giving an incomplete statement to police.
"He fully acknowledges his responsibility for those acts," Garland told Bonner after the plea was entered.
Lewis' defense attorneys admit that the NFL star gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings, but there has been other testimony that suggests Lewis participated in some kind of cover-up:
Duane Fassett, the driver of Lewis' rented limousine, reluctantly admitted on the stand that after the brawl Lewis told everyone in the stretch Lincoln Navigator to "just keep your mouth shut and don't say nothing."
Evelyn Sparks, who was riding in the limousine, said she saw another passenger dump a white hotel laundry bag into a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant. Prosecutors say the bag contained Lewis' bloodstained white suit, which has never been found.
Sparks also said a photograph of Lewis' entourage, taken at the Cobalt Lounge on the night of the killings, was destroyed by Jessica Robertson, a woman described as Lewis' girlfriend. "She said she burned it," Sparks testified.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]National Football League's[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Prohibited Conduct Policy[/FONT][FONT=helvetica,arial]"It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Employees to engage in [or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite] violent criminal activity. This policy will be applicable to all criminal conduct involving violence which occurs after the Covered Employee commences negotiations for employment with the NFL, any NFL club or related entity [including, in the case of players, those drafted by an NFL club as well as those under contract of employment] and will include all such conduct occurring after that date." [/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Click here for the entire text of the NFL's Violent Crime Policy. [/FONT]
All this can be used as circumstantial evidence of guilt. But it's more effective when combined with more solid evidence, Kramer said.
"What they have to do is produce evidence that Ray Lewis was involved in the fight that led to these deaths," Kramer said. "Without additional evidence, one has to question the strength of the prosecution's case."
Bonner also will have to weigh whether dismissing charges against one or more defendants will signal to the jurors that she considers the remaining ones to be guilty, Kramer said.
It has been a difficult two weeks for Howard, who at times has shown exasperation at witnesses who change their testimony on the stand and at a judge who sustains most objections made by the defense. But he says he is not discouraged.
"When you fight for justice and what you think is right ... you can't be dissuaded or frustrated," Howard said.
Howard will try to finish his case Monday or early Tuesday after calling forensics experts and medical examiners. He also would like to put the limousine driver back on the stand, but Fassett is fighting the second subpoena in Maryland. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
We are talking about a thug who plea bargained his way out of a murder rap. Bloodstains on his clothes, in his getaway limo and in his home.
Telling someone to "keep his mouth shut" about the killings, etc.
Pathetic.
In an era in which we drag T.O. through the mud for being outspoken we are ready to accept this guy?
Don't tarnish the star with a felon. Or one that should have served time for taking part in a killing.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Lewis murder charges dropped[/FONT]
Ravens star accepts misdemeanor charge, will testify
Posted: Monday June 05, 2000 09:31 PM
[FONT=helvetica,arial]The prosecution's case against Lewis suffered setbacks when key witnesses provided conflicting testimony. AP[/FONT]ATLANTA (CNNSI.com) -- A judge Monday approved a deal allowing Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis to avoid murder charges and jail time by pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and testifying against two co-defendants.
Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis can not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.
Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard refused to say how the plea agreement was brokered but said his office made the right decision to prosecute Lewis.
"A trial is an instrument to reach the truth, and I think that in many respects it has been shielded," Howard said. "We are continuing to try to bring the truth forward."
The prosecution waived any further charges against Lewis.
"It's a good day for Ray," defense attorney Don Samuel said he entered the courthouse for the day's court session.
Lewis walked into court Monday morning tossing the yellow tennis ball he has clutched throughout the first two weeks of testimony.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Art Modell's Statement[/FONT][FONT=helvetica,arial]The following is the text of a statement released to CNNSI.com by Baltimore Ravens president and owner Art Modell:[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"From the beginning of this tough situation for all involved, we believed in and supported Ray Lewis. We also believe in the court system and the due process that found Ray to be innocent of the very serious charges. He can now get on with his life, including his work with the Ravens.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"As I said at Ray's bond hearing in February, Ray is a good young man. Even during these difficult past four months, he has made the effort to help his family, his teammates, and others who rely on his good will and generosity.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"It will be great to see Ray back in our facilities and on the field soon." [/FONT]
Samuel said Lewis will testify against his co-defendants as part of the deal, which also calls for aggravated assault charges against the linebacker to be dropped.
But the lawyer said Lewis' testimony won't be "devastating" to Sweeting and Oakley. He said Lewis never saw a knife during the fight.
Lewis is expected to testify Tuesday. Bonner sent the jurors home Monday morning, but defense attorneys asked her not to tell them about the plea.
On Sunday, Lewis' lawyers plea bargained for a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice and Lewis will testify as the prosecution continues its case against co-defendants Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting.
Prosecutors presented little proof that the Baltimore Ravens linebacker assaulted anyone during a Jan. 31 street fight that left two men dead.
"It seems like the prosecution is starting to run out of gas, and it doesn't seem like they had much in the tank in the first place," said Irwin R. Kramer, a defense attorney from suburban Baltimore who is following the case.
Without much direct evidence linking Lewis to the stabbings of Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker, prosecutors are trying to convince the jury that Lewis participated in a conspiracy to cover up the crime.
But that's not what he is charged with. Lewis and two friends, Sweeting and Oakley, are facing only the more serious charges of murder, felony murder and aggravated assault.
"There's no evidence of guilt here," said Samuel. "So all of the post-conduct circumstances are irrelevant."
Lewis has a four-year, $26 million contract with the Ravens and is one of the NFL's best defensive players. The team said Monday he will be welcome to rejoin the club at a voluntary minicamp next week.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Paul Tagliabue's Statement[/FONT][FONT=helvetica,arial]The following is a statement from NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue:[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"Today's developments will help put this tragic incident behind us. Ray Lewis has been entirely cleared of the charge that he was responsible [/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]for the loss of life that occurred in Atlanta in late January.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"There are many lessons to be learned as we review this case. If anyone in the NFL needed a reminder that high-profile professional athletes need to be extraordinarily careful in their associations and activities, Ray Lewis' experience provides that reminder.[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]"We will continue to work as hard as we can to ensure that our players do not become involved in these types of situations." [/FONT]Sports Illustrated's Peter King reported Monday that the NFL likely will fine Lewis, but he will not be suspended based on the fact that Lewis was innocent of charges of murder, despite pleading guilty to obstruction of justice. Defense attorney Ed Garland said he and Lewis discussed the plea agreement thoroughly and went over his testimony before going to court.
"He said a prayer with me about his duties and his responsibilities and what he was doing and he was happy to go forward and let the truth -- all of it -- come out," he said.
Garland said Lewis' only crime was to tell his companions after the brawl that led to the deaths, "Keep your mouth shut," and giving an incomplete statement to police.
"He fully acknowledges his responsibility for those acts," Garland told Bonner after the plea was entered.
Lewis' defense attorneys admit that the NFL star gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings, but there has been other testimony that suggests Lewis participated in some kind of cover-up:
Duane Fassett, the driver of Lewis' rented limousine, reluctantly admitted on the stand that after the brawl Lewis told everyone in the stretch Lincoln Navigator to "just keep your mouth shut and don't say nothing."
Evelyn Sparks, who was riding in the limousine, said she saw another passenger dump a white hotel laundry bag into a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant. Prosecutors say the bag contained Lewis' bloodstained white suit, which has never been found.
Sparks also said a photograph of Lewis' entourage, taken at the Cobalt Lounge on the night of the killings, was destroyed by Jessica Robertson, a woman described as Lewis' girlfriend. "She said she burned it," Sparks testified.
[FONT=helvetica,arial]National Football League's[/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Prohibited Conduct Policy[/FONT][FONT=helvetica,arial]"It will be considered conduct detrimental for Covered Employees to engage in [or to aid, abet or conspire to engage in or to incite] violent criminal activity. This policy will be applicable to all criminal conduct involving violence which occurs after the Covered Employee commences negotiations for employment with the NFL, any NFL club or related entity [including, in the case of players, those drafted by an NFL club as well as those under contract of employment] and will include all such conduct occurring after that date." [/FONT]
[FONT=helvetica,arial]Click here for the entire text of the NFL's Violent Crime Policy. [/FONT]
All this can be used as circumstantial evidence of guilt. But it's more effective when combined with more solid evidence, Kramer said.
"What they have to do is produce evidence that Ray Lewis was involved in the fight that led to these deaths," Kramer said. "Without additional evidence, one has to question the strength of the prosecution's case."
Bonner also will have to weigh whether dismissing charges against one or more defendants will signal to the jurors that she considers the remaining ones to be guilty, Kramer said.
It has been a difficult two weeks for Howard, who at times has shown exasperation at witnesses who change their testimony on the stand and at a judge who sustains most objections made by the defense. But he says he is not discouraged.
"When you fight for justice and what you think is right ... you can't be dissuaded or frustrated," Howard said.
Howard will try to finish his case Monday or early Tuesday after calling forensics experts and medical examiners. He also would like to put the limousine driver back on the stand, but Fassett is fighting the second subpoena in Maryland. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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GimmeTheBall!;2596555 said:
ray lewis would be a stupid signing on epic proportions. not because he's not a good player but we have too much testosterone in there now as it is.
we don't need another NAME to come fix this. too many NAMES is what's killing us now. adding another emotional "leader" to the mix is just like throwing gas on the fire and hoping it goes out.
we need to streamline the stars and get players on the field.
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bbailey423;2596096 said:
I think Ray would solve it though. Ray also looks at a person's character and that is not TO's strong point. If TO decides to get in Ray's face and yell and scream then somebody better call an ambulance, because Ray would put him in his place real quick.