RB and WR should be set

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,287
I live in dallas. The Fan is only a notch above the Ticket in terms of quality.
Sports talk radio is worthless anymore.
The ticket doesnt talk sports anymore, the are the Corby, Gordo schtick station. The Fan talks sports and MM said they will have plays for Turpin/Duece in the offense this year.. Its one thing to make a predection on Duece after the draft, thats fine... its another thing to dig in on the prediction when everything that happens and is said points to the prediction being wrong. If you dont listen to the Fan who are you getting your Cowboys info from?
 

BlindFaith

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,113
Reaction score
2,624
McCarthy said during OTA's they were working on plays for him. How anyone could read that alone and think he isn't making the 53 is beyond me.
That was two months ago. The simple fact that he even said that they had to work on plays for him was a concern.
"Well, since duece cant run anything we have in the offense, we'll work on some special plays for him. Not gadget plays, just plays we havent ever considered putting in our playbook and arent really part of our offensive philosophy. But definitely not gadget plays."
"Oh, and duece will be exciting as a personal punt protector. Heard that from Bones."
Fast forward to today. Duece is 4th string and playing against scrubs.
Cant wait for this whole new implemented offensive package they are preparing to spring on the league. Guess keeping duece hidden in the second halves of these games is part of that strategy. Can't give anything away.
It all makes perfect sense. You guys know your stuff.
 

big dog cowboy

THE BIG DOG
Staff member
Messages
101,157
Reaction score
110,251
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
I saw the run, and it was a terrific run, but he did nothing after that. It’s going to be much tougher finding daylight in the regular season against starters. We can’t have negative carries and he had at least a couple last week.
Getting hit in the backfield and before you get to the line of scrimmage has that effect.

Emmitt Smith is the all time negative rush leader followed by Walter Payton then Frank gore.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has-the-most-career-carries-for-negative-yards-in-the-nfl
 

big dog cowboy

THE BIG DOG
Staff member
Messages
101,157
Reaction score
110,251
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
That was two months ago. The simple fact that he even said that they had to work on plays for him was a concern.
Why? He is a different player than any RB's on the roster. I think it would be irresponsible for them to NOT come up with plays designed just for him.
 

BlindFaith

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,113
Reaction score
2,624
The ticket doesnt talk sports anymore, the are the Corby, Gordo schtick station. The Fan talks sports and MM said they will have plays for Turpin/Duece in the offense this year.. Its one thing to make a predection on Duece after the draft, thats fine... its another thing to dig in on the prediction when everything that happens and is said points to the prediction being wrong. If you dont listen to the Fan who are you getting your Cowboys info from?
I watch the games? I dont listen to any talking head.
And what the game tape says is that duece hasnt earned playing time with the guys starting these preseason games. Dowdle and Davis have.
I really wanted to see duece play early. Id love to give him this whole game against the Raiders.
MM sees things differently. Hes either being handed a spot or he's likely headed to the PS.
Because having a few nice runs in PS garbage time has never warranted a roster position lock in the past. At least not for basically a 7th round pick. And one of the smallest players to ever play.
 

big dog cowboy

THE BIG DOG
Staff member
Messages
101,157
Reaction score
110,251
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Fast forward to today. Duece is 4th string and playing against scrubs.
Cant wait for this whole new implemented offensive package they are preparing to spring on the league. Guess keeping duece hidden in the second halves of these games is part of that strategy. Can't give anything away.
No one else besides you are saying that.
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,287
That was two months ago. The simple fact that he even said that they had to work on plays for him was a concern.
"Well, since duece cant run anything we have in the offense, we'll work on some special plays for him. Not gadget plays, just plays we havent ever considered putting in our playbook and arent really part of our offensive philosophy. But definitely not gadget plays."
"Oh, and duece will be exciting as a personal punt protector. Heard that from Bones."
Fast forward to today. Duece is 4th string and playing against scrubs.
Cant wait for this whole new implemented offensive package they are preparing to spring on the league. Guess keeping duece hidden in the second halves of these games is part of that strategy. Can't give anything away.
It all makes perfect sense. You guys know your stuff.
I just know that everyone covering the Cowboys and the HC have said he will be playing on Sunday.. but hey you do you, little over 2 weeks and we will see if you were correct and all these other guys paid to cover them and the HC where just trying to throw everyone off Rico Dowdles huge emergence to the league.
 

KJJ

You Have an Axe to Grind
Messages
61,566
Reaction score
38,926
Getting hit in the backfield and before you get to the line of scrimmage has that effect.

Emmitt Smith is the all time negative rush leader followed by Walter Payton then Frank gore.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has-the-most-career-carries-for-negative-yards-in-the-nfl
The two top negative rush leaders were also the all-time leading rushers for positive yards. Emmitt is still on top after replacing Walter Payton. You’re going to have a lot of negative carries if you carry the ball a ton like those backs on that list. Vaughn only carried the ball 5 times, but had 2 negative carries and it showed up on his average. Emmitt could have three negative carries in a game, but still rush for 160 yards, averaging 4.6 a carry.
 

BlindFaith

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,113
Reaction score
2,624
Why? He is a different player than any RB's on the roster.
That I can agree with.
The cowboys could sign me, hand me a roster spot and design plays just for me.
Doesnt mean I should be out there and doesnt mean those plays would ever even be used.
We have no idea if MM was fully on board with drafting this guy. Have no idea what was said, if was unanimous or who ultimately decided. My guess is that Jerry made the call. No one probably really voiced any concern as it was basically a seventh round pick and they needed a camp RB anyway.
Then the media hype kicked in and Jerry LOVED it.
Not so sure MM loves the anointing though.
But hes going to talk positively about all the players currently practicing. Give options as to where drafted players are potentially going to be used. Is he supposed to just come out and say duece was really just a camp body RB? If that's what he thought when they drafted him?
Of course not.
All I know for certain is that these next two weeks are going to be interesting, one way or the other.
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,287
I watch the games? I dont listen to any talking head.
And what the game tape says is that duece hasnt earned playing time with the guys starting these preseason games. Dowdle and Davis have.
I really wanted to see duece play early. Id love to give him this whole game against the Raiders.
MM sees things differently. Hes either being handed a spot or he's likely headed to the PS.
Because having a few nice runs in PS garbage time has never warranted a roster position lock in the past. At least not for basically a 7th round pick. And one of the smallest players to ever play.
So you watched the pre season games where Duece has scored in each with a damn good run and you think he is PS material? You also think that getting more work in the Pre Season game means you're more likely to land a spot on the roster? If Duece doesn't play this next PS game is that because they know what they have and dont need to see him anymore.. or because they are shipping him to another team (IE putting him on the PS squad where he will get picked in a milli second)
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,287
That I can agree with.
The cowboys could sign me, hand me a roster spot and design plays just for me.
Doesnt mean I should be out there and doesnt mean those plays would ever even be used.
We have no idea if MM was fully on board with drafting this guy. Have no idea what was said, if was unanimous or who ultimately decided. My guess is that Jerry made the call. No one probably really voiced any concern as it was basically a seventh round pick and they needed a camp RB anyway.
Then the media hype kicked in and Jerry LOVED it.
Not so sure MM loves the anointing though.
But hes going to talk positively about all the players currently practicing. Give options as to where drafted players are potentially going to be used. Is he supposed to just come out and say duece was really just a camp body RB? If that's what he thought when they drafted him?
Of course not.
All I know for certain is that these next two weeks are going to be interesting, one way or the other.
Come on man, you gained over 3k yards in the NCAA? again your so dug in on this you cant see any logic that you could be wrong...
 

BlindFaith

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,113
Reaction score
2,624
I just know that everyone covering the Cowboys and the HC have said he will be playing on Sunday.. but hey you do you, little over 2 weeks and we will see if you were correct and all these other guys paid to cover them and the HC where just trying to throw everyone off Rico Dowdles huge emergence to the league.
Great. I hope he does play. And I hope to see him do some things tonight at the kickoff practice.
And they have been high on Dowdle for a couple years now. He just hasnt stayed healthy. They signed Davis from the PS because the Eagles wanted to sign him.
Add in RoJo, who was pencilled in as Pollards backup.
And I only do me. Like it or not.
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,287
Great. I hope he does play. And I hope to see him do some things tonight at the kickoff practice.
And they have been high on Dowdle for a couple years now. He just hasnt stayed healthy. They signed Davis from the PS because the Eagles wanted to sign him.
Add in RoJo, who was pencilled in as Pollards backup.
And I only do me. Like it or not.
The thing is it doesn't affect me when you do you, your the one dug in on an opinion that doesn't really take anything thats happening into account. You could be correct but most things are pointing to him making the team and your the one that will have to pay those reciepts....like it or not.
 

BlindFaith

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,113
Reaction score
2,624
So you watched the pre season games where Duece has scored in each with a damn good run and you think he is PS material? You also think that getting more work in the Pre Season game means you're more likely to land a spot on the roster? If Duece doesn't play this next PS game is that because they know what they have and dont need to see him anymore.. or because they are shipping him to another team (IE putting him on the PS squad where he will get picked in a milli second)
Both JAX and Seattle had ruuning backs playing in the second half that were taring it up. Did you even watch the games? They had WRs making plays. 4th string QBs that make Grier look like a high school player.
Know what? Most of those guys will be cut too.
Duece is shifty in space. But hes a boom or bust runner. In college he had several long runs, and several stuffs.
Those holes he saw in college will not be there. Those long runs will not be there. But getting hit by huge men that can move will be intensified.
Im not putting him on this team. Not a superbowl competitive team. I want consistency. Dependability. I want two or three yards when nothing is there. I don't want tackles for loss. I want RAC.
I dont need duece. He doesnt offer what Im looking for. We have Cooks, CeeDee, Pollard, Fergy, Turpin.
Those are the guys that will determine how this offense goes. As well as Dak taking a step forward and becoming that consistent, dependable QB we need.
Put vaughn on the PS. Let him work on punt and KO returns. See if he can excel there. Thats what Sproles told him. Thats how he would make a team.
If he develops into a very good return guy and can beat out Turpin next year. And Turpin does nothing at WR this year, Id have no problem with duece filling that role. To be a Sproles lite. Hes just not close to the level of Sproles now. And even Sproles sparingly played on offense.
Everyone here so passionately wants to get duece onto this team. I dont really understand the love affair with him, but fans love who they love. Have no problem with it.
I look at it from a what makes sense perspective. Every roster spot is valuable. Guys active on game days have to have roles and contribute.
Does duece getting two or three looks on certain 3rd downs and no special teams contribution warrent a roster spot? Let alone even being active on game day?
Im sure no one will read this. Or it'll be called silly or ignorant or that I should just stop.
This isnt a rant. This isnt me calling duece a turd, lol, sorry. Or me saying Mazi is a bust. And then just walking back to my basement.
Ive tried to formulate most every one of my posts with rational takes, albeit my takes. Im not a hater. I want us to put together the best team we can. Yes, I can at times get caught up in back and forths. And yes, it at times becomes a game and entertaining. I say and post things I most likely wouldnt say to someone I was actually having a convo with. And Im sure that goes for a lot of you all.
But at the end of the day, non of this really means anything. My days of pouring my soul into football are long over. There are far, far more important things to worry about.
 

BlindFaith

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,113
Reaction score
2,624
The thing is it doesn't affect me when you do you, your the one dug in on an opinion that doesn't really take anything thats happening into account. You could be correct but most things are pointing to him making the team and your the one that will have to pay those reciepts....like it or not.
Im not the only one with this similar view. Im just one of the few willing to say it.
Reciepts? lol
Is my internet cred on the line? Oh no.
Am I doomed to be another @Risen Star? Id hate to see his credit card bill. Hes got receipts duece high.
 

CowboyFrog

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,334
Reaction score
11,287
Both JAX and Seattle had ruuning backs playing in the second half that were taring it up. Did you even watch the games? They had WRs making plays. 4th string QBs that make Grier look like a high school player.
Know what? Most of those guys will be cut too.
Duece is shifty in space. But hes a boom or bust runner. In college he had several long runs, and several stuffs.
Those holes he saw in college will not be there. Those long runs will not be there. But getting hit by huge men that can move will be intensified.
Im not putting him on this team. Not a superbowl competitive team. I want consistency. Dependability. I want two or three yards when nothing is there. I don't want tackles for loss. I want RAC.
I dont need duece. He doesnt offer what Im looking for. We have Cooks, CeeDee, Pollard, Fergy, Turpin.
Those are the guys that will determine how this offense goes. As well as Dak taking a step forward and becoming that consistent, dependable QB we need.
Put vaughn on the PS. Let him work on punt and KO returns. See if he can excel there. Thats what Sproles told him. Thats how he would make a team.
If he develops into a very good return guy and can beat out Turpin next year. And Turpin does nothing at WR this year, Id have no problem with duece filling that role. To be a Sproles lite. Hes just not close to the level of Sproles now. And even Sproles sparingly played on offense.
Everyone here so passionately wants to get duece onto this team. I dont really understand the love affair with him, but fans love who they love. Have no problem with it.
I look at it from a what makes sense perspective. Every roster spot is valuable. Guys active on game days have to have roles and contribute.
Does duece getting two or three looks on certain 3rd downs and no special teams contribution warrent a roster spot? Let alone even being active on game day?
Im sure no one will read this. Or it'll be called silly or ignorant or that I should just stop.
This isnt a rant. This isnt me calling duece a turd, lol, sorry. Or me saying Mazi is a bust. And then just walking back to my basement.
Ive tried to formulate most every one of my posts with rational takes, albeit my takes. Im not a hater. I want us to put together the best team we can. Yes, I can at times get caught up in back and forths. And yes, it at times becomes a game and entertaining. I say and post things I most likely wouldnt say to someone I was actually having a convo with. And Im sure that goes for a lot of you all.
But at the end of the day, non of this really means anything. My days of pouring my soul into football are long over. There are far, far more important things to worry about.
Playmakers are playmakers, look at the SF loss, once TP went down they didnt have anyone other than Lamb and SF just doubled him and stuffed Zeke.. I'm good with Cooks, CeeDee, Pollard, Fergy/Schoon/Hender, Turpin, Brooks but I also want to add Duece so now the best defense we face in the playoffs has numerous threats to cover. Duece wont be stashed on the PS to practice anything because he wont make it to our PS, again another team will grab him quickly.
 
Top