RB expendable Debate

[mattjames2010]

07: Brandon Jacobs
13: Marshawn Lynch
16: Blount
15: CJ Anderson
12: Ray Rice

That was too easy, and those were just off the top of my head. GB doesn't win in 12 w/o some great performances by Starks. ATL lost because they went away from using their RB's.

The most important trait of a RB is the ability to get something out of nothing, to get 2-6 yds when there's no hole. That's why Emmit was so important.

This idea that RB's are no longer important has already been completely derailed, but some just can't help but hang onto the idea.

Brandon Jacobs didn’t carry the Giants - the Giants D gave up no more than 20 points in the playoffs.

Marshawn Lynch has like 30 yards rushing while the special teams and defense held the high powered Broncos defense to 8 points. Blount didn’t carry the Patriots, you insane? Flacco played out of his mind in the 2012 playoffs, he didn’t “carry” them.

Read my posts before responding.

 

[mattjames2010]

Here’s a thought.

Dak would be easier to replace than Zeke. I’d rather cut or trade Dak Prescott before I let Zeke go.

Sorry but it’s the hard truth. Dak’s production can be replaced far easier. There’s only one Zeke.

As much as I dislike Dak, dude, just no. Finding a semi-competent QB is harder to replace than an RB.

There is a reason why Cousins and Bradford get overpaid while Bell is at home watching Connor take his job even while healthy.

 

[cnuball21]

What source are you getting your info from?

The only resource (nextgenstats) I know of that carries that type info says much differently.

I just googled Elliot against stacked boxes and found it on google.

 

[cnuball21]

07: Brandon Jacobs
13: Marshawn Lynch
16: Blount
15: CJ Anderson
12: Ray Rice

That was too easy, and those were just off the top of my head. GB doesn't win in 12 w/o some great performances by Starks. ATL lost because they went away from using their RB's.

The most important trait of a RB is the ability to get something out of nothing, to get 2-6 yds when there's no hole. That's why Emmit was so important.

This idea that RB's are no longer important has already been completely derailed, but some just can't help but hang onto the idea.

I don’t think it’s RBs aren’t important K, I think it’s just they typically have a shorter shelf life of being great and they’re easier to replace than some positions.

They are important, but due to the above I’d be weary to pump a lot of money into the position.

RBs are important, but replaceable.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Been seeing a lot of talk about the upcoming decision of what we do with Dak...and rightfully so, as I feel like he’s been incredibly inconsistent but that is another conversation.

What about Zeke? Obviously this dude is the heart and soul of our O. I was on record saying we should’ve drafted Ramsey due to how easy it is to draft serviceable RBs. Not saying we made the wrong decision bc Zeke has been stelllar... but look around the league...

Steelers
Chargers
Chiefs
Etc...

Key RBs go down and life goes on...

Not saying don’t pay the dude, but I think it’s a serious question to be considered whether or not we make him the highest paid RB in the league moving forward at the expense of paying other guys on the team.

I hope front office don’t read this, we can’t let Zeke go.

 

[kskboys]

Brandon Jacobs didn’t carry the Giants - the Giants D gave up no more than 20 points in the playoffs.

Marshawn Lynch has like 30 yards rushing while the special teams and defense held the high powered Broncos defense to 8 points. Blount didn’t carry the Patriots, you insane? Flacco played out of his mind in the 2012 playoffs, he didn’t “carry” them.

Read my posts before responding.

Cute little booger, aincha?

Your wording was "won on the backs of a RB". Not carry, won on the backs of.

If you're going to pretend to be knowledgeable, you really need to show a better understanding of what you said, and a much better understanding of what each of the RB's I named meant to those super bowl teams. Getting to the super bowl is part of winning it. GB never gets there w/o Starks huge game. NE rode Blount, DEN rode Cj, and everyone knows SEA rode Marshawn. Denying it doesn't make it not so. However, I understand why you'd simply deny it, since you lack facts to fit your poor little pathetic agenda!!!!

Sweet dreams, my little boogerbear!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

I don’t think it’s RBs aren’t important K, I think it’s just they typically have a shorter shelf life of being great and they’re easier to replace than some positions.

They are important, but due to the above I’d be weary to pump a lot of money into the position.

RBs are important, but replaceable.

I'd have to say it really depends on the RB. EZ would be extremely difficult to replace. Unless you have a really good backup(Ivory, JAX, 2017, for example), your O will experience a major falloff. SD would most likely have a super bowl win under their belt if LT doesn't go down in the playoffs.

 

[WhizKid]

CJ for one is good back, two he was last minute fill in on passing team and took AZ by surprise and lastly AZ is layng for the #1 pick..any questions? agreat back who can be counted on week in and week out that can make the special plays are good for 3 wins or more and that why Pitt misses bell and conner those little extra plays..

you do have to be cautious about over paying for them, Bell asked for too much and was willing to lose 17mil by sitting out and betting on himself showed Greed, I doubt Zeke will hold us hostage like this but you never know.. Dak or Zeke both have to be willing to be a team player and not try to play hard ball to stay here, in that scenario I let both go..you can NOT put all your money in those two positions..we can simply keep adding to the defense and go find a RB and QB in 2020 if by chance we get selfish asking prices for these guys..you cant blame PB for not keeping Bell, they did plan ahead and had a good back developing, we have not..that shows our FO and coaching deficiency's not having a contingency plan..

theres fine line here..Zekes worth keeping but for what price?

Pretty much, depending on team, the demand for certain positions is greater. On our team, RB is absolutely a must have, given these coaches and our QB. On others not so much. Also, to piggy back off of ARI, ARI is absolutely one of the worst defenses when it comes to defending the run. So while yes CJ went off, just about every single back that goes against ARI is extremely efficient.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I just googled Elliot against stacked boxes and found it on google.

Lol, okay. Sounds legit.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

Using the #4 overall pick on a RB was a huge mistake for this team, given its other shortcomings. Zeke is a fantastic player for sure, but I believe this to be a mis-allocation of resources. Good RB's can be found later in the draft.

A minimum level of competency is needed at the QB position to win big. A power running game combined with a solid defense will win many games, but will ultimately fall short of winning the Superbowl. I fear the Cowboys will be stuck in a cycle of mediocrity, which will be difficult to break.

 

[BoysForLife]

The 90s Cowboys was a different era.

Name me the team from this era that won on the back of an RB like the Cowboys of the 90s...

You get there is a cap right? You get we’ll have to pay multiple defenders soon and most likely Dak? On top of this, we have 3 offensive lineman getting good money, who knows what Collins will get. Zeke is simply not as important as those positions nor is he truly transcendent.

RBs are expendable. It’s the nature of the position in 2018.

Why do you folks get attached to players? I don’t get it.

When Beast Mode and the defense were the focal point in Seattle they won a Super Bowl

When they paid Wilson they haven’t made it out of the divisional round since

But for the record I’m fine from moving on from Zeke is the price to keep him is too high

I’m adamant that moving on from Zeke to pay Dak would be an idiotic franchise wrecking decision

That’s the point I’m making

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Maybe if we had a gun slinger quarterback, along with plenty of weapons, then the RB is expendable. But we don't have that kind of Offense. And the stats been posted around here plenty of times of What Dak does with Zeek and without. So as long as Dak is the quarterback, Zeek isn't expandable, and not until we get someone considerably better at being a passing threat.

 

[mattjames2010]

Cute little booger, aincha?

Your wording was "won on the backs of a RB". Not carry, won on the backs of.

If you're going to pretend to be knowledgeable, you really need to show a better understanding of what you said, and a much better understanding of what each of the RB's I named meant to those super bowl teams. Getting to the super bowl is part of winning it. GB never gets there w/o Starks huge game. NE rode Blount, DEN rode Cj, and everyone knows SEA rode Marshawn. Denying it doesn't make it not so. However, I understand why you'd simply deny it, since you lack facts to fit your poor little pathetic agenda!!!!

Sweet dreams, my little boogerbear!!!!!!!!!

And yet, you listed off RBs who did little to nothing in the playoffs/Super Bowl and won with them averaging very little yards? Jacobs averaged 3.2 YPC in the playoffs, Lynch didn’t do crap against the Broncos, Blount got benched, Rice averaged 3.6 YPC, CJ Anderson didn’t top 100 yards in a single playoff game...

You know what all those teams had? Great QBs and elite defenses

 

[mattjames2010]

When Beast Mode and the defense were the focal point in Seattle they won a Super Bowl

When they paid Wilson they haven’t made it out of the divisional round since

But for the record I’m fine from moving on from Zeke is the price to keep him is too high

I’m adamant that moving on from Zeke to pay Dak would be an idiotic franchise wrecking decision

That’s the point I’m making

The Seahawks haven’t made it because they don’t have the defense they once had along with a bad offensive line...

Again, what elite RB carried a team to the Super Bowl? Show me the list in this era. If you can’t, just admit you’re wrong.

Why does this forum struggle with just admitting when they failed?

And a competent QB is simply more valuable than an RB, there is no debate here. One is a harder position to fill than the other.

I want them both gone

 

[BoysForLife]

The Seahawks haven’t made it because they don’t have the defense they once had along with a bad offensive line...

Right. Because they paid Wilson instead of Lynch and the defense

Can't pay em all

If we pay Dak at the expense of everyone else we'll regret it

It's that simple

Under your theory we need to pay the QB huge money because that's the most important position

Other than NE which $20 million+ QB has won a Super Bowl this decade (after getting the huge deal, not before)?

ARod. Ben. Wilson. And so on. Other than Brady (who isn't walking through that door), big $$ contract to a QB do not produce championships

We pay Dak crazy money, we're screwed

It's that simple. Aside from the fact that he sucks.

 

[cnuball21]

I'd have to say it really depends on the RB. EZ would be extremely difficult to replace. Unless you have a really good backup(Ivory, JAX, 2017, for example), your O will experience a major falloff. SD would most likely have a super bowl win under their belt if LT doesn't go down in the playoffs.

For our offense, he would...bc our QB relies on an elite RB and a quality defense to compete.

Look at other teams with across the league though:

Pitt
KC
LA (briefly)
Bal

I’m sure I’m missing one or 2 but All these teams lose starting RBs and don’t miss a beat.

We might not agree on this one K...but can we just draft a big nasty DT and do a virtual high five?

 

[cnuball21]

The Seahawks haven’t made it because they don’t have the defense they once had along with a bad offensive line...

Again, what elite RB carried a team to the Super Bowl? Show me the list in this era. If you can’t, just admit you’re wrong.

Why does this forum struggle with just admitting when they failed?

And a competent QB is simply more valuable than an RB, there is no debate here. One is a harder position to fill than the other.

I want them both gone

I was thinking about this too, I do value RBs, but has an elite RB ever won a super bow with pedestrian QB play?

Dilfer
B Johnson
Grossman (close)

He’d guys come to mind recently but all of them had some of the best defenses I can remember over the last 20 years and ours isn’t there yet.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

 

[cnuball21]

And they went nowhere...

He's a heck of a player, but man they are dumb for not taking a QB in a pretty good class.

 

[IceBowler]

RB is the easiest position on the field to transition from college to the pros. Their service life is also the shortest. The 10-15 year RBs are rare birds indeed. Zeke gets a ton of work and he runs angry. While that is magnificent to watch, it also shortens careers.

It is a business decision and I’ll let those in the business make that decision.