RB expendable Debate

[Lutonio]

Fans said same thing about Demarco. So many *****ed when they didn't resign him. How have things worked out?

It has worked out great because they got Elliott. But the year before that with Randle doesn't exactly standout as a highlight year.

 

[kskboys]

Jags were 3-0 last year without Fournette
Jags were 7-6 with Fournette

2-5 with him this year
3-6 without him this year

Differ away

The Jags had two quality backup RB's in Ivory and Yeldin.

Research is your friend.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

The Jags had two quality backup RB's in Ivory and Yeldin.

Research is your friend.

I didnt have to research that. I already know.

Theyre subpar, but what you said has nothing to do with my reply to him.

 

[uvaballa]

It has worked out great because they got Elliott. But the year before that with Randle doesn't exactly standout as a highlight year.

Yeah you can usually find a good RB in one or two years. Finding something like a QB can take years.

 

[kskboys]

I didnt have to research that. I already know.

Theyre subpar. But what you said has nothing to do with my reply to him.

Kinda does.

The entire argument is that any ol' RB will do. I strongly disagree. Your counterargument was that the Jags were 3-0 w/o Fournette. When you have great backups, loss of a starter affects a team a lot less. Ivory is a great backup.

And did you assess the quality of the opponents? I have not. Let's look:

Indy: Run D: 26th
Cincy: Run D: 30th
Hous: Run D: 13th

There's some more factors for you!!!! Plus, it's pretty much known that you cannot establish a pattern from only 3 games!!!!

Argument declared: Weak!!!!!

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Kinda does.

The entire argument is that any ol' RB will do. I strongly disagree. Your counterargument was that the Jags were 3-0 w/o Fournette. When you have great backups, loss of a starter affects a team a lot less. Ivory is a great backup.

And did you assess the quality of the opponents? I have not. Let's look:

Indy: Run D: 26th
Cincy: Run D: 30th
Hous: Run D: 13th

There's some more factors for you!!!! Plus, it's pretty much known that you cannot establish a pattern from only 3 games!!!!

Argument declared: Weak!!!!!

No. I said Jags did better without Fournette than with him.

I showed him the exact post you quoted. Proving what I said.

Reading is your friend.

Ivory is a middle of the pack backup. Nothing special at all.

 

[mattjames2010]

It has worked out great because they got Elliott. But the year before that with Randle doesn't exactly standout as a highlight year.

McFadden got us 1,000 yards rushing. Why leave him out?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Zeke was top 10 amongst NFL starters last year facing 8+ defenders in the box, and is top 10 again this year coming in around 25%.

So yea, he does.

What source are you getting your info from?

The only resource (nextgenstats) I know of that carries that type info says much differently.

 

[kskboys]

No. I said Jags did better without Fournette than with him.

I showed him the exact post you quoted. Proving what I said.

Reading is your friend.

Ivory is a middle of the pack backup. Nothing special at all.

No, he's a top backup, middle of the pack starter. Great short yardage back.

Better w/o him? I guess, but a 3 game analyzation isn't going to prove anything.

In this case, it appears you are the one not reading!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mattjames2010]

If you're good or really good at both passing and running You're really difficult to stop. Right now we're really good at running

We are a poor passing offense

We don't even need a bona fide stud at QB. If we just had someone defenses had to respect and somewhat fear at the QB spot this offense could be near unstoppable

Of the 90's triplets, IMO Aikman is the least HOF worthy. But he was good enough to make defenses account for him and as a trio they we're amazing

Right now we have a really good WR, a top 3 RB, and.... Well, you know

If we upgrade the qb position to merely top 12-15 instead of bottom 3rd, we'll have an incredible offense and still have plenty of cash to pay defensive playmakers as well

The 90s Cowboys was a different era.

Name me the team from this era that won on the back of an RB like the Cowboys of the 90s...

You get there is a cap right? You get we’ll have to pay multiple defenders soon and most likely Dak? On top of this, we have 3 offensive lineman getting good money, who knows what Collins will get. Zeke is simply not as important as those positions nor is he truly transcendent.

RBs are expendable. It’s the nature of the position in 2018.

Why do you folks get attached to players? I don’t get it.

 

[mattjames2010]

Zeke was top 10 amongst NFL starters last year facing 8+ defenders in the box, and is top 10 again this year coming in around 25%.

So yea, he does.

Post the source or get out

 

[kskboys]

Yeah you can usually find a good RB in one or two years. Finding something like a QB can take years.

Or longer!!!!

Seriously, if the argument becomes QB vs RB, I'm firmly on the side of the QB. Or against any other position for that matter. If you don't have a QB, you have nothing. Might get it done for a year or so w/o a good QB, but you won't have sustained success.

You can be weak at any position and win a super bowl. However, for sustained success/contention, you cannot be weak at QB.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

No, he's a top backup, middle of the pack starter. Great short yardage back.

Better w/o him? I guess, but a 3 game analyzation isn't going to prove anything.

In this case, it appears you are the one not reading!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Ivory is not a middle of the pack starter lmao
REACH!!!

Okay so you agree with the exact initial statement that you quoted on to interact with me. Just read first next time ksk and we'll be all good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mattjames2010]

Steelers not having one of the leagues premier rb's cost them the division and a shot at the post season. The Chargers have been somewhat inconsistent and will not win their division. They also have their rb back so odd example. The chiefs have been inconsistent and have looked a notch worse without their horse.

What are you talking about? Their offense was still explosive without Bell and you can’t pin them missing the division on Bell.

Stop with the BS.

They had 2 1,000 yard receivers, Connor who had 12 rushing TDs in 12 games, 467 receiving yards,

Steelers still beat the Patriots, and and Ben had 3 TDs, 380 yards passing and was driving the ball down the field to tie it up but a fumble ended their season.

What the hell would Bell have done? What are you on about?

 

[dragon_mikal]

Same dumb conversation different year.

 

[Beaker42]

Been seeing a lot of talk about the upcoming decision of what we do with Dak...and rightfully so, as I feel like he’s been incredibly inconsistent but that is another conversation.

What about Zeke? Obviously this dude is the heart and soul of our O. I was on record saying we should’ve drafted Ramsey due to how easy it is to draft serviceable RBs. Not saying we made the wrong decision bc Zeke has been stelllar... but look around the league...

Steelers
Chargers
Chiefs
Etc...

Key RBs go down and life goes on...

Not saying don’t pay the dude, but I think it’s a serious question to be considered whether or not we make him the highest paid RB in the league moving forward at the expense of paying other guys on the team.

Tomorrow is time to see if Jackson the legend is a myth.

 

[kskboys]

The 90s Cowboys was a different era.

Name me the team from this era that won on the back of an RB like the Cowboys of the 90s...

You get there is a cap right? You get we’ll have to pay multiple defenders soon and most likely Dak? On top of this, we have 3 offensive lineman getting good money, who knows what Collins will get. Zeke is simply not as important as those positions nor is he truly transcendent.

RBs are expendable. It’s the nature of the position in 2018.

Why do you folks get attached to players? I don’t get it.

07: Brandon Jacobs
13: Marshawn Lynch
16: Blount
15: CJ Anderson
12: Ray Rice

That was too easy, and those were just off the top of my head. GB doesn't win in 12 w/o some great performances by Starks. ATL lost because they went away from using their RB's.

The most important trait of a RB is the ability to get something out of nothing, to get 2-6 yds when there's no hole. That's why Emmit was so important.

This idea that RB's are no longer important has already been completely derailed, but some just can't help but hang onto the idea.

 

[Brooksey]

I would be very cautious over paying Zeke on a 2nd contract. After his 5th year, I would franchise him for a year or two, then draft another RB

 

[dragon_mikal]

Here’s a thought.

Dak would be easier to replace than Zeke. I’d rather cut or trade Dak Prescott before I let Zeke go.

Sorry but it’s the hard truth. Dak’s production can be replaced far easier. There’s only one Zeke.

 

[kskboys]

I would be very cautious over paying Zeke on a 2nd contract. After his 5th year, I would franchise him for a year or two, then draft another RB

Yup, that's they best way to handle RB's.

And Bell's franchise tag that he turned down was 14 mil, so that means the player will be making 50 mil or so in 6 years.