RBs 3 and later

[cowboyec]

miller.
spears.

 

[xwalker]

This on Gibbs. Would never draft a back like that in the first. 2nd round talent.

Gibbs also might struggle as a three-down back. He isn't the best at breaking tackles and when running through the tackles he seems to hesitate sometimes. His physical tools are there, but he'll have to get better at running between the tackles as he could turn into the Cowboys' workhorse depending on what happens with Tony Pollard next season.

He isn't going to come in and be a power back

Some teams (reportedly) think Gibbs (5-9, 199) could be better WR than Zay Flowers (5-9, 182)...

 

[xwalker]

where are you getting Abanikandas yards after contact stats? watching his highlights, i disagree with your conclusion. i see a tough runner who always falls forward and who runs through arm tackles

after a quick google, all i could find was an article from sept 28th (early season) stating:

"Abanikanda has racked up 279 yards after contact this season, a strong 3.36 yards after contact per attempt, and that’s come in the wake of four touchdown runs against Rhode Island in which he wasn’t touched. There’s been an elusive element to Abanikanda’s game, an area in which he worked heavily upon in the offseason, and he’s forced 20 missed tackles. And with his blend of speed and power, he’s produced 12 runs of 10+ yards and five runs of 15+ yards."

Yards After Contact
4.2 Charbonnet
4.52 Spears
2.67 Abanikanda

Brugler said Abanikanda had the worst yards after contact of his top 10 rated RBs.

 

[locked&loaded]

Yards After Contact
4.2 Charbonnet
4.52 Spears
2.67 Abanikanda

Brugler said Abanikanda had the worst yards after contact of his top 10 rated RBs.

Thanks, I was able to confirm that average based on the nunbers. Here is an interesting article
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...erves-better-deserves-doak-walker-nomination/

"Abanikanda recorded 644 yards after contact this season, a very respectable 2.67 yards after contact per attempt, but that can be attributed to the numerous runs this season where he’s been able to avoid tacklers and explode into the defensive secondary for breakaway touchdowns.

Abanikanda isn’t someone who will jump and cut in the backfield, avoiding would-be tacklers — although he’s still recorded 46 missed tackles this season — but he is a true breakaway threat.

With 38 rush attempts of at least 10 yards and 19 rush attempts of at least 15 yards, he racked up 631 breakaway yards this season — a breakaway percentage of 44.2%."


I guess this all begs the question, is Pitts line that good?

 

[J-man]

Robinson @26
Gibbs late 1 early rd 2 if they trade
Charbonett or Tank @58
Spears, Johnson or Miller @90
Achane or Izzy @129

 

[Cebrin]

After watching tape of everyone top 10 I personally prefer Spears. Bijan is #1 but he'll be gone.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Thanks, I was able to confirm that average based on the nunbers. Here is an interesting article
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...erves-better-deserves-doak-walker-nomination/

"Abanikanda recorded 644 yards after contact this season, a very respectable 2.67 yards after contact per attempt, but that can be attributed to the numerous runs this season where he’s been able to avoid tacklers and explode into the defensive secondary for breakaway touchdowns.

Abanikanda isn’t someone who will jump and cut in the backfield, avoiding would-be tacklers — although he’s still recorded 46 missed tackles this season — but he is a true breakaway threat.

With 38 rush attempts of at least 10 yards and 19 rush attempts of at least 15 yards, he racked up 631 breakaway yards this season — a breakaway percentage of 44.2%."


I guess this all begs the question, is Pitts line that good?

Abanikanda is a force when he gets going downhill, and is obviously explosive, but he's not going to create a ton that isn't there.

He's Raheem Mostert.

 

[locked&loaded]

Abanikanda is a force when he gets going downhill, and is obviously explosive, but he's not going to create a ton that isn't there.

He's Raheem Mostert.

it feels odd defending a player so vehemently, especially when the draft is a crap shoot. But besides the speed, i dont see it. Mostert isnt even 200 lbs and Abani is essentially a ripped 220.

i also think its unfair to assume Abani will have such an injury prone career, which essentially negates any talent mostert has. if he never got hurt...he would be a pretty serviceable weapon given his homerun ability.

Also, most runningbacks cant make guys miss regularly in the backfield. thats why running plays are designed to open holes. and abani can hit a hole and go, while breaking arm tackles, like few others can.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

it feels odd defending a player so vehemently, especially when the draft is a crap shoot. But besides the speed, i dont see it. Mostert isnt even 200 lbs and Abani is essentially a ripped 220.

i also think its unfair to assume Abani will have such an injury prone career, which essentially negates any talent mostert has. if he never got hurt...he would be a pretty serviceable weapon given his homerun ability.

Also, most runningbacks cant make guys miss regularly in the backfield. thats why running plays are designed to open holes. and abani can hit a hole and go, while breaking arm tackles, like few others can.

I like Mostert so idk what your point is really lol. Their combine stats are almost exactly the same, and they're the same type of player.

Idk if Abanakinda is going to get hurt or not, they're just very similar players. That 20 lbs doesn't matter b/c it doesn't show in the tape every differently - they do the same thing in the open field. Abanakinda would be better off losing 15 lbs and being even faster than trying to use that weight for extra power.

 

[Croomraider]

Give me Deuce Vaughn all day, I don't see him on this list? Where is that guy projected?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Give me Deuce Vaughn all day, I don't see him on this list? Where is that guy projected?

He's tiny and slow. Pretty much a UDFA.

 

[locked&loaded]

I like Mostert so idk what your point is really lol. Their combine stats are almost exactly the same, and they're the same type of player.

Idk if Abanakinda is going to get hurt or not, they're just very similar players. That 20 lbs doesn't matter b/c it doesn't show in the tape every differently - they do the same thing in the open field. Abanakinda would be better off losing 15 lbs and being even faster than trying to use that weight for extra power.

The comment I made was based off of your casual comment stating, "hes raheem moster." Not sure how I was suppose to know you 'like' him when your comment could only be read as dismissive. Especially when you compare a rb who was a touchdown machine, while amassing over 1400 yards last year to a player who barely ran for over 700 yards in his entire college career.

Mostert was 190 at the combine and Ananikanda was 216. 26 lbs is a huge difference regardless of how you feel they compare. It will almost assuredly result in Abani beining able to be a full time starter with less time being injured.

Your comment suggesting Abanikanda losing those 15 lbs is a very odd one.....am i being trolled by a new user?

 

[xwalker]

Thanks, I was able to confirm that average based on the nunbers. Here is an interesting article
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/202...erves-better-deserves-doak-walker-nomination/

"Abanikanda recorded 644 yards after contact this season, a very respectable 2.67 yards after contact per attempt, but that can be attributed to the numerous runs this season where he’s been able to avoid tacklers and explode into the defensive secondary for breakaway touchdowns.

Abanikanda isn’t someone who will jump and cut in the backfield, avoiding would-be tacklers — although he’s still recorded 46 missed tackles this season — but he is a true breakaway threat.

With 38 rush attempts of at least 10 yards and 19 rush attempts of at least 15 yards, he racked up 631 breakaway yards this season — a breakaway percentage of 44.2%."


I guess this all begs the question, is Pitts line that good?

Pitts OLine appeared to be the best (relative to the competition) of any that I watched (while watching RBs).

I like many traits about Abanikanda but the fumbles concern me.
- The low yards after contact are also a concern; although I didn't see a big problem it while watching game footage.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The comment I made was based off of your casual comment stating, "hes raheem moster." Not sure how I was suppose to know you 'like' him when your comment could only be read as dismissive. Especially when you compare a rb who was a touchdown machine, while amassing over 1400 yards last year to a player who barely ran for over 700 yards in his entire college career.

Mostert was 190 at the combine and Ananikanda was 216. 26 lbs is a huge difference regardless of how you feel they compare. It will almost assuredly result in Abani beining able to be a full time starter with less time being injured.

Your comment suggesting Abanikanda losing those 15 lbs is a very odd one.....am i being trolled by a new user?

I'm comparing him to NFL Mostert, who plays closer to 200. 16 lbs is not a huge difference when your best ability is being explosive in the open field. It's not like Abanakinda is a power back.

Lose 15 lbs and get as fast as you can, because that weight doesn't matter for the type of player he is. If you're asking Abanakinda to bash in between the tackles 20 times a game, fine, have him play at 220. But that's not what he's good at, so it'd be silly to ask him to do that.

 

[locked&loaded]

Pitts OLine appeared to be the best (relative to the competition) of any that I watched (while watching RBs).

I like many traits about Abanikanda but the fumbles concern me.
- The low yards after contact are also a concern; although I didn't see a big problem it while watching game footage.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2022

This is all I could really find for oline rankings.

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer). -Pitt 27/130

Opportunity Rate: The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak. -Pitt 53/130

Power Success Rate: This is the same as on the NFL side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. -Pitt 10/130

Stuff Rate: Same as STUFFED on the NFL side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage. -Pitt 48/130

given the opportunity rate and stuff rate, ill call them an above average line and would think thats fair.

i also think, especially last year, abanikanda was the whole offense. I agree about the fumbles, but if tiki can so can you (abanikanda)!

 

[locked&loaded]

I'm comparing him to NFL Mostert, who plays closer to 200. 16 lbs is not a huge difference when your best ability is being explosive in the open field. It's not like Abanakinda is a power back.

Lose 15 lbs and get as fast as you can, because that weight doesn't matter for the type of player he is. If you're asking Abanakinda to bash in between the tackles 20 times a game, fine, have him play at 220. But that's not what he's good at, so it'd be silly to ask him to do that.

Here is a good game to watch. A few big holes where he breaks arm tackles and looks shot out of a cannon. A bunch of runs where hes hit in the backfield, where you wouldnt expect any rb to make a play. Then a subset of runs where if given a crease, he will get a few more yards than expected.

His vision and subtleness in the hole without losing speed is super impressive.

no coach in their right mind would ask him to lose weight, by the way.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Here is a good game to watch. A few big holes where he breaks arm tackles and looks shot out of a cannon. A bunch of runs where hes hit in the backfield, where you wouldnt expect any rb to make a play. Then a subset of runs where if given a crease, he will get a few more yards than expected.

His vision and subtleness in the hole without losing speed is super impressive.

no coach in their right mind would ask him to lose weight, by the way.

The first and second plays are exactly what I'm saying. The hole isn't there and he gets stood up and knocked backwards, it is there and he uses his raw burst and speed to turn it into a big play. He is Raheem Mostert lol.

I don't even know what your point is. Abanakinda is a late-3rd to probably 5th rounder.

At 205-210 he'll still run through the same arm tackles.

 

[locked&loaded]

The first and second plays are exactly what I'm saying. The hole isn't there and he gets stood up and knocked backwards, it is there and he uses his raw burst and speed to turn it into a big play. He is Raheem Mostert lol.

I don't even know what your point is. Abanakinda is a late-3rd to probably 5th rounder.

At 205-210 he'll still run through the same arm tackles.

The first play he runs for 2 yards and gets stood up by 3 defensive linemen. No rb is expected to run through 300 lb men. Id say he took what he could get and sometimes thats all there is.

the 2nd play theres a hole, but he goes from east west to north south in an instant, while breaking three tackles, on his way to the endzone.

what would he gain by losing 10 lbs? he literally has no fat on him and hes already plenty fast.

Again, you are comparing a guy who rushed for 700 yards in his college career to a guy who broke tony dorsetts single game rushing record. Your comp is lazy.

 

[Brooksey]

The top 2 RBs have been discussed ad nauseum.

The following are my comments on #3 thru #9 (based on Brugler's rankings).

I'm not sure if there is much difference in the probability of success between any of them.
- I would really like Miller but the fumbles worry me.
- I don't really see a need to draft one in the 2nd round due to a lack of distinction.

• Zach Charbonnet
  • Big.
  • Safe pick. Solid runner, receiver, blocker.
  • Lacks great athleticism.
  • Runs like a lightweight Fullback.
• 
  
• Devon Achane
  • Small. Very good receiver.
  • Mini version of Gibbs
• 
  
• Tyjae Spears
  • TD machine with 21 in 2022.
  • Good vision. Quick with good balance.
  • OK receiver and good effort pass blocker.
• 
  
• Tank Bigsby
  • Questionable vision.
  • Bounces many plays to the outside.
  • Medium size.
  • Not a good pass blocker.
• 
  
• Roschon Johnson
  • Big.
  • Good pass blocker and receiver.
  • Not a dynamic athlete.
• 
  
• Kendre Miller
  • Good size. Largest wingspan & 2nd youngest of the top 9.
  • One of the more dynamic runners of the 210+ RBs.
  • Had fumbling issues.
  • Upside as a blocker and receiver but needs development in both areas.
• 
  
• Israel Abanikanda
  • Really good measurables except small hands.
  • Faster 10-yard than Gibbs despite an extra 17 pounds.
  • Had fumbling issues.
  • Touchdown machine with 21 in 2022.
  • Good size, good speed (Better 10-yard than Gibbs).
  • Youngest of the top 9.
  • Limited receiver and blocker.
  • Had some nagging injury issues (hamsting, etc.).
  • Yards after contact stat is poor.

Rank​	Player​	College​	HT​	WT​	Forty​	Ten​	Arm​	Hand​	Wingspan​	Age​
1​	Bijan Robinson​	Texas​	5110​	215​	4.46​	1.54​	31-1/8​	9-3/4​	74-3/4​	21.24​
2​	Jahmyr Gibbs​	Alabama​	5091​	199​	4.36​	1.51​	30-1/2​	9-1/4​	74-1/8​	21.10​
3​	Zach Charbonnet​	UCLA​	6003​	214​	4.53​	1.53​	32​	9-7/8​	75-5/8​	22.30​
4​	Devon Achane​	Texas A&M​	5084​	188​	4.32​	1.49​	29​	8-1/2​	69-1/8​	21.54​
5​	Tyjae Spears​	Tulane​	5095​	201​	4.52​	1.57​	30-3/4​	10​	74-1/8​	21.87​
6​	Tank Bigsby​	Auburn​	5115​	210​	4.45​	1.56​	32​	9-1/2​	76-5/8​	21.66​
7​	Roschon Johnson​	Texas​	6002​	219​	4.58​	1.54​	32​	9-5/8​	76-7/8​	22.24​
8​	Kendre Miller​	TCU​	5111​	215​	DNP​	DNP​	32-3/8​	9-3/8​	78-1/2​	20.88​
9​	Israel Abanikanda​	Pittsburgh​	5101​	216​	4.44​	1.50​	32​	8-1/4​	76​	20.56​

Tyjae Spears

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The first play he runs for 2 yards and gets stood up by 3 defensive linemen. No rb is expected to run through 300 lb men. Id say he took what he could get and sometimes thats all there is.

the 2nd play theres a hole, but he goes from east west to north south in an instant, while breaking three tackles, on his way to the endzone.

what would ge gain by losing 10 lbs? he literally has no fat on him and hes already plenty fast.

Again, you are comparing a guy who rushed for 700 yards in his college career to a guy who broke tony dorsetts single game rushing record. Your comp is lazy.

They are the exact same play style. Idk who you would compare him to, but Abanakinda and Mostert have the same exact strengths and weaknesses. Production in college is entirely irrelevant, and Tony Dorsett's record is even more irrelevant.

He could gain the extra .05 that makes him as fast as Mostert lol. But he gains nothing by being 220 instead of 205 because he's not a power back. He gets what is there, like you said. Weight allows you to get what isn't there.

I don't understand what you think Abanakinda is going to be that I'm not saying he is. Mostert is a good, dangerous player who has a pretty specific skillset and is every bit worth a pick in that 100-150 range. So is Abanakinda.