RBs 3 and later

[locked&loaded]

They are the exact same play style. Idk who you would compare him to, but Abanakinda and Mostert have the same exact strengths and weaknesses. Production in college is entirely irrelevant, and Tony Dorsett's record is even more irrelevant.

He could gain the extra .05 that makes him as fast as Mostert lol. But he gains nothing by being 220 instead of 205 because he's not a power back. He gets what is there, like you said. Weight allows you to get what isn't there.

I don't understand what you think Abanakinda is going to be that I'm not saying he is. Mostert is a good, dangerous player who has a pretty specific skillset and is every bit worth a pick in that 100-150 range. So is Abanakinda.

College production is not irrelevant. Mostert couldn't cut it as a full-time rb in college and he hasnt been able to in the pros either. I wonder if Mosterts weight had anything to do with it? hmmm. Conversely, Abanikanda was Pitts whole offense and at least proved he could potentially tote the rock full-time in the NFL.

In that single game (the irrelevant one where abanikanda broke the record of one of the most talented backs to grace college and the nfl) abani almost amassed half the yards Mostert rushed for in 4 years in college.

Youre giving too much credit to Mostert and not enough to Abani, imo. Mostert wasnt a full-time rb in college and he isnt in the nfl, hes never been. Izzy was in college and he will get the opportunity to be one in the NFL, too. you are comparing a career role player to a likely starter just because they both are fast.

for the record, even brandon jacobs and Derrick henry dont run through 300lbers when they meet you in the hole.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

College production is not irrelevant. Mostert couldn't cut it as a full-time rb in college and he hasnt been able to in the pros either. I wonder if Mosterts weight had anything to do with it? hmmm. Conversely, Abanikanda was Pitts whole offense and at least proved he could potentially tote the rock full-time in the NFL.

In that single game (the irrelevant one where abanikanda broke the record of one of the most talented backs to grace college and the nfl) abani almost amassed half the yards Mostert rushed for in 4 years in college.

Youre giving too much credit to Mostert and not enough to Abani, imo. Mostert wasnt a full-time rb in college and he isnt in the nfl, hes never been. Izzy was in college and he will get the opportunity to be one in the NFL, too. you are comparing a career role player to a likely starter just because they both are fast.

for the record, even brandon jacobs and Derrick henry dont run through 300lbers when they meet you in the hole.

Yes it is, at RB. There is a long list of players who ran for 1,000 yards in college and couldn't sniff an NFL roster. There is a long list of RBs who were backups or situational and became prolific runners. Alvin Kamara had ~550 yards for two seasons. Tony Pollard was a WR lol.

Mostert was a starter who had more than 1,000 yards from scrimmage last year.

The fact that they couldn't do it is exactly why carrying extra weight is pointless. The problem with Abanakanda is that he didn't have consistent vision to cut laterally and avoid getting stuffed like that.

Who do you think Abanakinda is in the NFL?

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm comparing him to NFL Mostert, who plays closer to 200. 16 lbs is not a huge difference when your best ability is being explosive in the open field. It's not like Abanakinda is a power back.

Lose 15 lbs and get as fast as you can, because that weight doesn't matter for the type of player he is. If you're asking Abanakinda to bash in between the tackles 20 times a game, fine, have him play at 220. But that's not what he's good at, so it'd be silly to ask him to do that.

I’ve cooled considerably on Abanikanda. I’m just not a fan of how he runs. If it is blocked, he can hit it. Any kind of creativity needed though, and he’s done.

Watch him and then Spears or Gibbs.

 

[locked&loaded]

Yes it is, at RB. There is a long list of players who ran for 1,000 yards in college and couldn't sniff an NFL roster. There is a long list of RBs who were backups or situational and became prolific runners. Alvin Kamara had ~550 yards for two seasons. Tony Pollard was a WR lol.

Mostert was a starter who had more than 1,000 yards from scrimmage last year.

The fact that they couldn't do it is exactly why carrying extra weight is pointless. The problem with Abanakanda is that he didn't have consistent vision to cut laterally and avoid getting stuffed like that.

Who do you think Abanakinda is in the NFL?

I agree that there are plenty of 1000 yard rushers from college that didn't amount to much in the NFL, but that number goes down when a runners athleticism matches their production on the field. I disagree about college backups becoming starters in the NFL, the list isnt long.

Id say kamara is very similar to what he was in college and serves a similar role. Hes never eclipsed 1000 yards rushing in the NFL. I wanted Pollard to be the full-time starter, but he has yet to prove he can hold up all season. No matter, because 1 rb backfields are becoming more and more rare.

you may recall a lot of people saying Pollard was too small and couldn't get tough yards, which he disproved last year.

i think Abanikanda could be a great one cut back. He kind of reminds me of Ahman Green, but faster. In the open field hes not too far from Pollard either, in that he has subtle moves and speed to beat angles and take it to the house. Both can run through arm tackles.

In any event, this isnt a productive conversation. We keep rehashing the same stuff. Only time will tell

 

[tm1119]

Not saying he’s going to be a star, but for where he will be drafted Mohamed Ibrahim might end up being the best value of any RB in this class.

 

[xwalker]

Not saying he’s going to be a star, but for where he will be drafted Mohamed Ibrahim might end up being the best value of any RB in this class.

He can run the ball (4,668 rushing yards in college).

The problem is that he's had multiple injuries.
- His physical play style and his small size (5'7-7/8", 203, 28-5/8" arms) are not a good mix for staying healthy.

 

[cnuball21]

Not saying he’s going to be a star, but for where he will be drafted Mohamed Ibrahim might end up being the best value of any RB in this class.

Dude is older and has a lottttttt of tread on those tires.

 

[tm1119]

He can run the ball (4,668 rushing yards in college).

The problem is that he's had multiple injuries.
- His physical play style and his small size (5'7-7/8", 203, 28-5/8" arms) are not a good mix for staying healthy.

Dude is older and has a lottttttt of tread on those tires.

When you’re talking about a 5th round (or later) pick I don’t think you worry about longevity nearly as much. 4 years of a good goal line/short yardage back is still good value when the majority of late round picks never see the field.

 

[Carter]

Zach Evans Ole Miss is missing. His comparison is Melvin Gordon. Projected 3rd -4th Round Pick at the mom.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Zach Evans Ole Miss is missing. His comparison is Melvin Gordon. Projected 3rd -4th Round Pick at the mom.

I like him a lot - though I don't think he's much like Gordon. Gordon was smooth and used his vision, Evans has...pretty poor vision and is a more explosive/slashing runner.

I don't think Evans is as powerful, but he's more like Chris Carson to me.

 

[cnuball21]

When you’re talking about a 5th round (or later) pick I don’t think you worry about longevity nearly as much. 4 years of a good goal line/short yardage back is still good value when the majority of late round picks never see the field.

In this class I’d feel fairly confident I could find someone I like more in the 5th but all good.

 

[Killerinstinct]

When you’re talking about a 5th round (or later) pick I don’t think you worry about longevity nearly as much. 4 years of a good goal line/short yardage back is still good value when the majority of late round picks never see the field.

I agree. 4 years and then move on. Don't waste a premium pick.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I don't really care as much about longetivity for a deep Day 3 pick like Mo. It's part of the evaluation, but at that point in the draft, "can this dude make the 53" is the #1 question.

And I don't know if Ibrahim can. He's small and he's not a great athlete. Doesn't catch at all. I think Malik Davis is a better RB.

Can Ibrahim play special teams? Not that I'm aware of. He's not a return guy and doesn't look like a gunner.

So it's a really tough sell for me to spend any draft pick on him. He was a great college player, but he doesn't do anything for Dallas.

 

[Pass2Run]

The comment I made was based off of your casual comment stating, "hes raheem moster." Not sure how I was suppose to know you 'like' him when your comment could only be read as dismissive. Especially when you compare a rb who was a touchdown machine, while amassing over 1400 yards last year to a player who barely ran for over 700 yards in his entire college career.

Mostert was 190 at the combine and Ananikanda was 216. 26 lbs is a huge difference regardless of how you feel they compare. It will almost assuredly result in Abani beining able to be a full time starter with less time being injured.

Your comment suggesting Abanikanda losing those 15 lbs is a very odd one.....am i being trolled by a new user?

Running off the new guys?

 

[ThatJerryKid]

The top 2 RBs have been discussed ad nauseum.

The following are my comments on #3 thru #9 (based on Brugler's rankings).

I'm not sure if there is much difference in the probability of success between any of them.
- I would really like Miller but the fumbles worry me.
- I don't really see a need to draft one in the 2nd round due to a lack of distinction.

• Zach Charbonnet
  • Big.
  • Safe pick. Solid runner, receiver, blocker.
  • Lacks great athleticism.
  • Runs like a lightweight Fullback.
• 
  
• Devon Achane
  • Small. Very good receiver.
  • Mini version of Gibbs
• 
  
• Tyjae Spears
  • TD machine with 21 in 2022.
  • Good vision. Quick with good balance.
  • OK receiver and good effort pass blocker.
• 
  
• Tank Bigsby
  • Questionable vision.
  • Bounces many plays to the outside.
  • Medium size.
  • Not a good pass blocker.
• 
  
• Roschon Johnson
  • Big.
  • Good pass blocker and receiver.
  • Not a dynamic athlete.
• 
  
• Kendre Miller
  • Good size. Largest wingspan & 2nd youngest of the top 9.
  • One of the more dynamic runners of the 210+ RBs.
  • Had fumbling issues.
  • Upside as a blocker and receiver but needs development in both areas.
• 
  
• Israel Abanikanda
  • Really good measurables except small hands.
  • Faster 10-yard than Gibbs despite an extra 17 pounds.
  • Had fumbling issues.
  • Touchdown machine with 21 in 2022.
  • Good size, good speed (Better 10-yard than Gibbs).
  • Youngest of the top 9.
  • Limited receiver and blocker.
  • Had some nagging injury issues (hamsting, etc.).
  • Yards after contact stat is poor.

Rank​	Player​	College​	HT​	WT​	Forty​	Ten​	Arm​	Hand​	Wingspan​	Age​
1​	Bijan Robinson​	Texas​	5110​	215​	4.46​	1.54​	31-1/8​	9-3/4​	74-3/4​	21.24​
2​	Jahmyr Gibbs​	Alabama​	5091​	199​	4.36​	1.51​	30-1/2​	9-1/4​	74-1/8​	21.10​
3​	Zach Charbonnet​	UCLA​	6003​	214​	4.53​	1.53​	32​	9-7/8​	75-5/8​	22.30​
4​	Devon Achane​	Texas A&M​	5084​	188​	4.32​	1.49​	29​	8-1/2​	69-1/8​	21.54​
5​	Tyjae Spears​	Tulane​	5095​	201​	4.52​	1.57​	30-3/4​	10​	74-1/8​	21.87​
6​	Tank Bigsby​	Auburn​	5115​	210​	4.45​	1.56​	32​	9-1/2​	76-5/8​	21.66​
7​	Roschon Johnson​	Texas​	6002​	219​	4.58​	1.54​	32​	9-5/8​	76-7/8​	22.24​
8​	Kendre Miller​	TCU​	5111​	215​	DNP​	DNP​	32-3/8​	9-3/8​	78-1/2​	20.88​
9​	Israel Abanikanda​	Pittsburgh​	5101​	216​	4.44​	1.50​	32​	8-1/4​	76​	20.56​

Honest question. If the Cowboys use Pollard like the end of last year and give him 25 touches and the next guy gets 8-10 touches with several of those being short yardage and goal line, is there anybody on this list that would bring more to the Cowboys next year than Zeke?

 

[DFWJC]

After all these guys by a few rounds.....
If we get VERY late in the draft (end of draft) and he's still available, I'd like to see Keaton Mitchell get a shot.
Achane but with more swivel...imo.

 

[Carter]

Love this guy in the 5th or 6th

2022 after finishing the season with 1,060 yards on 5.1 yards per carry and 11 rushing touchdowns. He also showed the ability to be productive catching the ball out of the backfield, as he had 36 receptions for 254 yards and another two touchdowns
Projected 4th - 5th Round

• Runs low to the ground with balance to fight through contact.
• Good patience with the ability to run defenders into blocks.
• Snaps off crisp downhill cuts on stretch plays.
• Finds a lateral escape hatch from inside the run lane.
• Instinctive feel for creating optimal space from tacklers.
• Lower body strength helps him plow through arm tackles.
• Consistent to fall forward as a run finisher.

 

[xwalker]

Love this guy in the 5th or 6th

2022 after finishing the season with 1,060 yards on 5.1 yards per carry and 11 rushing touchdowns. He also showed the ability to be productive catching the ball out of the backfield, as he had 36 receptions for 254 yards and another two touchdowns
Projected 4th - 5th Round

• Runs low to the ground with balance to fight through contact.
• Good patience with the ability to run defenders into blocks.
• Snaps off crisp downhill cuts on stretch plays.
• Finds a lateral escape hatch from inside the run lane.
• Instinctive feel for creating optimal space from tacklers.
• Lower body strength helps him plow through arm tackles.
• Consistent to fall forward as a run finisher.

Abanikanda 2022
Rushing yards 1431
Rushing average 6.0
Rushing TDs 20

 

[xwalker]

Honest question. If the Cowboys use Pollard like the end of last year and give him 25 touches and the next guy gets 8-10 touches with several of those being short yardage and goal line, is there anybody on this list that would bring more to the Cowboys next year than Zeke?

All of them...