RBs in this draft

[supercowboy8]

I was doing some research and watching film on these RBs the last few days. I've found that some of these guys fumble alot. After a year where Murray put the ball on the ground way to often and that one killer in Green Bay I do not want a guy that can't hold on to the ball.

Ajayi had 7 fumbles this year And 4 I 2013
Gordon also 7 fumbles with 4 on 2013
Cobb had 6 this year. That surprised me since he has such big hands.
Yeldon had 5 in 2014 but went down to 2 this year but also had alot less carries and was banged up alot this year. I think he has been over used in bama.

 

[xwalker]

I was doing some research and watching film on these RBs the last few days. I've found that some of these guys fumble alot. After a year where Murray put the ball on the ground way to often and that one killer in Green Bay I do not want a guy that can't hold on to the ball.

Ajayi had 7 fumbles this year And 4 I 2013
Gordon also 7 fumbles with 4 on 2013
Cobb had 6 this year. That surprised me since he has such big hands.
Yeldon had 5 in 2014 but went down to 2 this year but also had alot less carries and was banged up alot this year. I think he has been over used in bama.

How many fumbles did Gurley have. I seem to recall that he had a very low number of fumbles relative to how many carries he had.

 

[supercowboy8]

How many fumbles did Gurley have. I seem to recall that he had a very low number of fumbles relative to how many carries he had.

He had 0 this year but rarely played. in we he had 2 but again missed a few games.

 

[Idgit]

Honestly, give me a back who excels in pass protection and can hold onto the ball, and I'm pretty happy with our options at RB.

 

[xwalker]

He had 0 this year but rarely played. in we he had 2 but again missed a few games.

OK, I found:
Gurley: 3 fumbles in 510 carries (1 per 170).
Jay Ajayi : 9 in 680 (1 per 75)
Melvin Gordon: 12 in 631 (1 per 53)
David Cobb: 10 in 563 (1 per 56)
T.J. Yeldon: 10 in 576 (1 per 58)

 

[dallasdave]

OK, I found:
Gurley: 3 fumbles in 510 carries (1 per 170).
Jay Ajayi : 9 in 680 (1 per 75)
Melvin Gordon: 12 in 631 (1 per 53)
David Cobb: 10 in 563 (1 per 56)
T.J. Yeldon: 10 in 576 (1 per 58)

Thanks for info, gives insight into future backs.

 

[supercowboy8]

OK, I found:
Gurley: 3 fumbles in 510 carries (1 per 170).
Jay Ajayi : 9 in 680 (1 per 75)
Melvin Gordon: 12 in 631 (1 per 53)
David Cobb: 10 in 563 (1 per 56)
T.J. Yeldon: 10 in 576 (1 per 58)

Right but Gurley still didn't play as many games. His health has to come in question to.

 

[BAT]

Honestly, give me a back who excels in pass protection and can hold onto the ball, and I'm pretty happy with our options at RB.

Neither Gurley or Gordon excel in pass pro.

 

[Idgit]

Neither Gurley or Gordon excel in pass pro.

Yeah. That's sort of the problem. The guys I like who can hold onto the ball don't necessarily pass protect well. And the guys who can pass protest (e.g., Coleman) have to work on ball control. Maybe I need to look closer at the available FAs.

 

[Cebrin]

Zach Zenner anyone? Late steal I am hoping. Probably won't happen but, scouts are stupid if they're not looking. 6'0", 220, 3 consecutive 2,000-yard season. He's the only player in NCAA Division I history to reach that mark more than twice. He got an invitation to the scouting combine, so he may see a rise in stock. My pet kitty. Only 9 fumbles in 4 years. Last year, only 1. Workhorse.

 

[HellCrowe]

The more I think about it and we don't sign Murray, Todd Gurley will be the pick .

We, in pervious drafts pick the BPA. Gurley should have gone top 15 pre-injury, only reason he drops is because of the injury. We all know that the cowboys are not shy about drafting injured players. And in addition to previous drafts we tend to draft a position of need along with BPA dating back to Dez, Smith, Claiborne, Fredrick, and last year in Martin. Now with a shored up line, I don't think we go in the year without a workhorse back.

I understand he may not be ready until half way through the season, but that's where the Ryan Williams signing and keeping Randle comes in.

I was on the fence like many of you but getting Gurley is a good thing. A strong powerful back that needs to be respected. He can catch, block, has vision, power, and deceptive wiggle. No othere RB in the draft has that type of ability other than Melvin Gordon. He is a different type of monster compared to the other backs in this draft. Yes Cobb looks good and so does Yeldon but the drop off is major when you consider the impact Gurley can make on his own. It's like comparing Dez Bryant to Michael Crabtree. One you know he will beast becuase of his big play ability the other is a fringe 1st/2nd WR that can get the job done.

At our spot the impact DEs and CBs will be gone. I feel we pick up two DEs in free agency Clayborn and Graham then role with Gurley as our first pick.

 

[xwalker]

Right but Gurley still didn't play as many games. His health has to come in question to.

I thought this discussion was about fumbles...

 

[xwalker]

The more I think about it and we don't sign Murray, Todd Gurley will be the pick .

We, in pervious drafts pick the BPA. Gurley should have gone top 15 pre-injury, only reason he drops is because of the injury. We all know that the cowboys are not shy about drafting injured players. And in addition to previous drafts we tend to draft a position of need along with BPA dating back to Dez, Smith, Claiborne, Fredrick, and last year in Martin. Now with a shored up line, I don't think we go in the year without a workhorse back.

I understand he may not be ready until half way through the season, but that's where the Ryan Williams signing and keeping Randle comes in.

I was on the fence like many of you but getting Gurley is a good thing. A strong powerful back that needs to be respected. He can catch, block, has vision, power, and deceptive wiggle. No othere RB in the draft has that type of ability other than Melvin Gordon. He is a different type of monster compared to the other backs in this draft. Yes Cobb looks good and so does Yeldon but the drop off is major when you consider the impact Gurley can make on his own. It's like comparing Dez Bryant to Michael Crabtree. One you know he will beast becuase of his big play ability the other is a fringe 1st/2nd WR that can get the job done.

At our spot the impact DEs and CBs will be gone. I feel we pick up two DEs in free agency Clayborn and Graham then role with Gurley as our first pick.

They can't count on him being available. They have to have an alternate plan. Is Ryan Williams, Joe Randle and a lower rated RB in the draft sufficient for 2015. Even if they get Gurley, they might have to start the season without him. If Williams/Randle good enough to do that?

 

[DFWJC]

Zach Zenner anyone? Late steal I am hoping. Probably won't happen but, scouts are stupid if they're not looking. 6'0", 220, 3 consecutive 2,000-yard season. He's the only player in NCAA Division I history to reach that mark more than twice. He got an invitation to the scouting combine, so he may see a rise in stock. My pet kitty. Only 9 fumbles in 4 years. Last year, only 1. Workhorse.

The guy is bigger (220) and faster (4.49-4.59) than many or most of the top 25 running backs. He's elusive too. And yes, the man does not fumble much at all.

But a few services actually list him as a fullback. Seeing that he doesn't play fullback, may I suggest a certain type of stereotyping is the reason? lol

Anyway, before learning he would go to the combine, I would've suspected he might go very late or even as an UDFA. Not so sure now.

 

[HellCrowe]

They can't count on him being available. They have to have an alternate plan. Is Ryan Williams, Joe Randle and a lower rated RB in the draft sufficient for 2015. Even if they get Gurley, they might have to start the season without him. If Williams/Randle good enough to do that?

this post was actually supposed to be in the BPA post. That's what you get for being on your phone at work and making sure no one catches you.

But to answer your question. If we do not sign Murray what other option do we have? Maybe bring in a guy like Spiller/Ingram for a decent price? Now does that make it easier to swallow going into the season? It helps but I'm sure it won't be a long term answer. One coming off injury and the other not living up to his draft position. AP would be nice but at what price? and when would he be available after suspension?

As a matter of fact, I believe one of top two RBs will be our pick if we don't sign AP or Murray. Just no way we role into the season without a game changing back. Even if it's for half of the season. I understand RBs don't get taken till 2nd now days but at 27, a RB of Gurleys caliber is a steal.

 

[BlindFaith]

Zach Zenner anyone? Late steal I am hoping. Probably won't happen but, scouts are stupid if they're not looking. 6'0", 220, 3 consecutive 2,000-yard season. He's the only player in NCAA Division I history to reach that mark more than twice. He got an invitation to the scouting combine, so he may see a rise in stock. My pet kitty. Only 9 fumbles in 4 years. Last year, only 1. Workhorse.

We don't need a FB.

 

[BlindFaith]

The guy is bigger (220) and faster (4.49-4.59) than many or most of the top 25 running backs. He's elusive too. And yes, the man does not fumble much at all.

But a few services actually list him as a fullback. Seeing that he doesn't play fullback, may I suggest a certain type of stereotyping is the reason? lol

Anyway, before learning he would go to the combine, I would've suspected he might go very late or even as an UDFA. Not so sure now.

Zenner mirrors his work ethic on the field and in the classroom in the weight room. In our most recent performance testing period, he set personal records in the vertical jump (36.5 in.), standing long jump (10,1.25.), power clean (358lbs.), squat (497lbs.), bench press (359lbs.) and 40-yard dash (Electronic 4.78 sec., Hand-Held 4.50 sec.) Additionally, his power clean and squat performances set new Jackrabbit running back records. His work ethic and drive are legendary and led to him being considered super human by his teammates. A humble and unassuming man, he simply wants to help his team be as successful as possible. His drive and dedication makes him a lifelong champion, well beyond the gridiron.

 

[DFWJC]

Zenner mirrors his work ethic on the field and in the classroom in the weight room. In our most recent performance testing period, he set personal records in the vertical jump (36.5 in.), standing long jump (10,1.25.), power clean (358lbs.), squat (497lbs.), bench press (359lbs.) and 40-yard dash (Electronic 4.78 sec., Hand-Held 4.50 sec.) Additionally, his power clean and squat performances set new Jackrabbit running back records. His work ethic and drive are legendary and led to him being considered super human by his teammates. A humble and unassuming man, he simply wants to help his team be as successful as possible. His drive and dedication makes him a lifelong champion, well beyond the gridiron.

Except for the that electronic time (which is by far the slowest I've ever seen..bet he's 2/10ths faster at the combine) those numbers are very good.
Anyway, my thoughts on Zenner are more if he's there at the end of the draft.

 

[supercowboy8]

I thought this discussion was about fumbles...

It is but if you don't have as many chances to fumble you won't fumble as much. Got to be able to play

 

[xwalker]

It is but if you don't have as many chances to fumble you won't fumble as much. Got to be able to play

That's why I listed fumble per car rate (i.e. 1 in 170) for Gurley.

The sample size is big enough for all of them (over 500 carries).