RBs in this draft

[BlindFaith]

Except for the that electronic time (which is by far the slowest I've ever seen..bet he's 2/10ths faster at the combine) those numbers are very good.
Anyway, my thoughts on Zenner are more if he's there at the end of the draft.

The combine uses electronic times as well.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Yeah. That's sort of the problem. The guys I like who can hold onto the ball don't necessarily pass protect well. And the guys who can pass protest (e.g., Coleman) have to work on ball control. Maybe I need to look closer at the available FAs.

Gurley is actually pretty good in pass pro. Very well rounded back.

Gordon its not that he cant, he really isnt asked too

 

[BlindFaith]

Gurley is actually pretty good in pass pro. Very well rounded back.

Gordon its not that he cant, he really isnt asked too

Here is a good comparison of the two

Todd Gurley vs. Melvin Gordon: 2015 NFL Draft comparison
Eric Galko Contributor @OptimumScouting
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February 10, 2015 5:02pm EST


Both runners are likely to break the positional drought in the first round. But when it comes to deciding whom to draft, teams must choose whether to go with the Jamaal Charles-esque Gordon, or the Adrian Peterson-like Gurley.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ng-reports-comparisons-running-backs-injuries

 

[supercowboy8]

That's why I listed fumble per car rate (i.e. 1 in 170) for Gurley.

The sample size is big enough for all of them (over 500 carries).

No its still flawed. You have to have atleast a close amount. The fair way would to take the first same amount of carries gurley had to the others and see how many times they fumbled in that many carries. Gordon had 3 fumbles in the nebraska game.

 

[Cebrin]

We don't need a FB.

He's NOT A FB. Lol. Go watch some video on him. Stereotyping is what got him listed as a FB by some of these dumb analysts. He's a very good, underrated RB.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Here is a good comparison of the two

Todd Gurley vs. Melvin Gordon: 2015 NFL Draft comparison
Eric Galko Contributor @OptimumScouting
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February 10, 2015 5:02pm EST


Both runners are likely to break the positional drought in the first round. But when it comes to deciding whom to draft, teams must choose whether to go with the Jamaal Charles-esque Gordon, or the Adrian Peterson-like Gurley.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ng-reports-comparisons-running-backs-injuries

Excellent read. Thanks!

 

[DFWJC]

The combine uses electronic times as well.

Oh, I know. I'm saying that I think his electronic time at the combine will beat that 4.78 by a large margin.
Look forward to seeing how that goes

 

[btcutter]

Neither Gurley or Gordon excel in pass pro.

Pass blocking is just willingness to do it.
RB can be trained to do it.
Murray wasn't born with it. RB coach has to work with him.

 

[xwalker]

No its still flawed. You have to have atleast a close amount. The fair way would to take the first same amount of carries gurley had to the others and see how many times they fumbled in that many carries. Gordon had 3 fumbles in the nebraska game.

No, the sample size (510) is big enough to be statistically relevant.

The data normalized to 510 carries for all of them:
Gurley 3.00 in 510
Ajayi 6.75 in 510
Gordon 9.70 in 510
Cobb 9.06 in 510
Yeldon 8.85 in 510

 

[BlindFaith]

He's NOT A FB. Lol. Go watch some video on him. Stereotyping is what got him listed as a FB by some of these dumb analysts. He's a very good, underrated RB.

He wasn't a FB in college, but he will be in the pros, if he even makes a team.

 

[rags747]

Except for the that electronic time (which is by far the slowest I've ever seen..bet he's 2/10ths faster at the combine) those numbers are very good.
Anyway, my thoughts on Zenner are more if he's there at the end of the draft.

He looks like a FA to me, nice story but doesnt look special at all.

 

[DFWJC]

He looks like a FA to me, nice story but doesnt look special at all.

Like I said, 7th round or FA

That's if he doesn't just go to med school instead

 

[xwalker]

this post was actually supposed to be in the BPA post. That's what you get for being on your phone at work and making sure no one catches you.

But to answer your question. If we do not sign Murray what other option do we have? Maybe bring in a guy like Spiller/Ingram for a decent price? Now does that make it easier to swallow going into the season? It helps but I'm sure it won't be a long term answer. One coming off injury and the other not living up to his draft position. AP would be nice but at what price? and when would he be available after suspension?

As a matter of fact, I believe one of top two RBs will be our pick if we don't sign AP or Murray. Just no way we role into the season without a game changing back. Even if it's for half of the season. I understand RBs don't get taken till 2nd now days but at 27, a RB of Gurleys caliber is a steal.

I'm OK rolling the dice. I think Ryan Williams and Randle could handle the job and I'm fairly certain they could get a RB in the draft that could contribute, even if it is a 3rd rounder.

My point was that they have to have a plan if they don't sign Murray. Is the plan to rely on Williams/Randle because I would not want to go into the draft expecting to the starting RB for 2015.

I'm not certain that some of the free agent RBs that would be cheap are better than Williams/Randle.

 

[HellCrowe]

I'm OK rolling the dice. I think Ryan Williams and Randle could handle the job and I'm fairly certain they could get a RB in the draft that could contribute, even if it is a 3rd rounder.

My point was that they have to have a plan if they don't sign Murray. Is the plan to rely on Williams/Randle because I would not want to go into the draft expecting to the starting RB for 2015.

I'm not certain that some of the free agent RBs that would be cheap are better than Williams/Randle.

I guess it all depends on the plan. Are we trying to recreate what we had with Murray (if not signed) or go with a RB platoon? I like the idea of a true #1 RB that the OL is going to fight for and have that bond.

that's my whole reasoning in getting the best player available and if it fits our need we should take it while we can than trying to get fancy and hopping a 3rd round back will be as effective as a 1st round back. The reason is about 60 picks between a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder.

 

[xwalker]

I guess it all depends on the plan. Are we trying to recreate what we had with Murray (if not signed) or go with a RB platoon? I like the idea of a true #1 RB that the OL is going to fight for and have that bond.

that's my whole reasoning in getting the best player available and if it fits our need we should take it while we can than trying to get fancy and hopping a 3rd round back will be as effective as a 1st round back. The reason is about 60 picks between a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder.

There is a big range of having lead back between a platoon and what they did with Murray. They ran Murray into the ground which seemed unnecessary. The history of RBs that type of work load is not good for future seasons.

I would prefer the lead back get something like 70% of the carries, especially when they are committing to the run like they did in 2014.

 

[HellCrowe]

There is a big range of having lead back between a platoon and what they did with Murray. They ran Murray into the ground which seemed unnecessary. The history of RBs that type of work load is not good for future seasons.

I would prefer the lead back get something like 70% of the carries, especially when they are committing to the run like they did in 2014.

I agree, it goes to show how much confidence they had in our other backs. Do I want our #1.RB to run 90% of the time? That's not what I meant. Thunder and lightning? That didn't work out for us. Primarily because we were a pass heavy team back then. But 70% sounds good and more of the reason or positive to get Gurley because we get him half way through the season Ala Jeremy Hill.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We don't need a FB.

I think we need a FB but I don't think we need one in the early rounds. We absolutely need a FB who can pick up the blitz, make nice blocks in the running game and has the hands and the quickness to catch the ball out of the backfield IMO.

 

[xwalker]

I think we need a FB but I don't think we need on in the early rounds. We absolutely need a FB who can pick up the blitz, make nice blocks in the running game and has the hands and the quickness to catch the ball out of the backfield IMO.

Tyler Varga is an interesting late round or UDFA. He is not big (5-10, 227) but he has a rock solid build and is a nifty runner and receiver.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Tyler Varga is an interesting late round or UDFA. He is not big (5-10, 227) but he has a rock solid build and is a nifty runner and receiver.

Kid from Yale, yeah, he is interesting. Never really saw him prior to the Sr. Bowl but he did make some big plays in that game. He's kinda small but, like you say, if he's strong enough, he might be able to get it done. Still, I think 225 is probably too small to be a FB. I think he would have to be in the area of 235 to hold up.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm OK rolling the dice. I think Ryan Williams and Randle could handle the job and I'm fairly certain they could get a RB in the draft that could contribute, even if it is a 3rd rounder.

My point was that they have to have a plan if they don't sign Murray. Is the plan to rely on Williams/Randle because I would not want to go into the draft expecting to the starting RB for 2015.

Or they could sign Forsett (for example) and save the draft pick for defense.