Re-evaluating Jimmy Johnson

[Reid1boys]

Actually, he did. He improved the defense, 62-7 notwithstanding.
But rumors was that Jimmy Johnson wanted to trade Dan Marino to get a boatload of draft picks like he did with Dallas. Jimmy wanted to establish HIS team just like he did in Dallas.
However, Dan Marino was Miami and Miami was Dan Marino. Marino not only didn't want to go anywhere else, he wanted the offense to go through him not through the running game. And ownership did also.
Jimmy finally found out that Miami wasn't like Dallas and Miami ownership wasn't like Jerry Jones, who gave him a virtual blank check.
And after three years, when Jimmy realized he couldn't implement his strategy to its fullest, and considering his short-attention span for coaching, he left Miami to do what he always wanted - to fish on his boat in the Florida Keys and talk football when he wanted and cash in on his legacy.

oh, so you mean we can make excuses for JImmy in Miami? or maybe Kimmy had to deal with this new thing called the Salary cap??? Improved the Dolphins.....lol. Amazing what we accept with our legends. JImmy's days in Miami were no better than JG days here in Dallas. I love Jimmy, my favorite coach of all time. I loved everything about him... but, he hit lightning in a bottle in Dallas. Everything just lined up perfectly for him. The salary cap would never allow Jimmy to do that same thing again.

 

[Chuck 54]

In Jimmy's A Football Life , he stated that he didn't plan to stay long, basically saying he didn't leave because of Jerry.

I think he could have kept the winning going, had he chosen to stay, at least for a couple more years. I think we would have had 4 in a row.

To follow up, in my opinion, the only reason we didn’t win the 3rd SB in Barry’s first year had nothing to do Jimmy being gone. A bunch of costly and unexpected turnovers by our super stars early in the NFC championship game put the team in a big hole that they almost climbed out of, but it was too much to ask vs the very good eventual champion, 49ers.

 

[Chuck 54]

The team doesn't does spot SF 3 tds with Jimmy coaching, and he doesn't get a personal foul penalty.

Jimmy was a great motivator. If Jimmy recognized his act was getting old, he could have adjusted. NFC Championship after he left, then SB after that. Jimmy was better than 501. Not blowing the NFC Championship could have been accomplished by a lot of coaches.

Are you saying Jimmy prevents our SB stars from fumbling and throwing interceptions in the first quarter vs SF? Ridiculous….crap like that happens, and SF was an excellent, physical and opportunistic defense with an offense that converted those turnovers. The Cowboys almost came back, but fell short. IMO, that had nothing to do with coaching.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I prefer living in the present, or the future, but that's just me.

The Past is much better. lol

 

[Runwildboys]

To follow up, in my opinion, the only reason we didn’t win the 3rd SB in Barry’s first year had nothing to do Jimmy being gone. A bunch of costly and unexpected turnovers by our super stars early in the NFC championship game put the team in a big hole that they almost climbed out of, but it was too much to ask vs the very good eventual champion, 49ers.

All the Garrett, Big Mike, and other various coach haters would blame that on a lack of discipline by the coaching staff. If so, the same should apply.

 

[Verdict]

Switzer cost us at least 1 championship in 94. The lack of discipline we lost after Jimmy left was a huge difference as Troy often eluded to.

1996 is another season we could have made a deeper run. More discipline issues off the field that year. We still had our core talent to make another run.

And Jimmy leaving will always be on Jethro’s hand . You bow down to a back to back HC not buck heads with him. Our franchise has never fully recovered. It’s been a dysfunctional mess ever since .

Troy was an integral part of those three SB wins, but Troy became a little bit too full of himself. In my opinion Troy thought he knew way more than he did.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Troy was an integral part of those three SB wins, but Troy became a little bit too full of himself. In my opinion Troy thought he knew way more than he did.

He did draft a TE one year and it was WAY too high of a pick and did little to stop the decay of the team.

 

[Diehardblues]

Troy was an integral part of those three SB wins, but Troy became a little bit too full of himself. In my opinion Troy thought he knew way more than he did.

His color commentating which has placed him on top in most circles would support he knows more than most.

 

[Runwildboys]

He did draft a TE one year and it was WAY too high of a pick and did little to stop the decay of the team.

One mistake, and he only gave his opinion, he wasn't the guy doing the drafting.

 

[jnday]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

Emmitt, Irvin, Aikman, etc has repeatedly said that they would have won more Super Bowls if Jimmy would have stayed. I will take their word on the subject. Switzer was smart enough to not come in and change things. Why fix something that is not broken?

 

[buybuydandavis]

Are you saying Jimmy prevents our SB stars from fumbling and throwing interceptions in the first quarter vs SF? Ridiculous….crap like that happens, and SF was an excellent, physical and opportunistic defense with an offense that converted those turnovers. The Cowboys almost came back, but fell short. IMO, that had nothing to do with coaching.

You can think that coaching doesn't matter if you like.

It really matters when you're mounting a comeback down by 10 with 6 minutes left and the *coach* takes a personal foul for 15 yards on a deadball foul.

You can say that the 15 yards didn't matter. It turned a 3rd and 10 into a 3rd and 25. Next play gained 14 yards.

Your opinion may be that the difference between 3rd and 10 and 3rd and 25 doesn't matter speaks for itself.

 

[StarChamber_33]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

Only Jimmy Johnson truly knows if he would have stayed longer, but I believe he would have stayed had it not been for the ego and need for attention and validation of a meddling owner. It was Jimmy's team; everyone knew it and no one questioned it.. Jimmy made all the key decisions involving player personnel - The Cowboys haven't been truly feared or dominant since Jimmy left. Jerruh W. Jones got his wish, he is the head man in charge and makes all the key decisions, but what has that gotten us in the last 26 years?? Every year that goes by, I'm more impressed with Jimmy's accomplishments.

 

[BAT]

Go back and read what I said about Switzer precisely. And then go find me Cowboy player complaints from January 1996 about Switzer and lack of discipline. In other words, go do your homework.

Your post was worded like crap but if you can't abide a dissenting opinion you really should not have posed the question.

 

[BAT]

Those mistakes and lack of discipline had everything to do with coaching AND culture.

Are you saying Jimmy prevents our SB stars from fumbling and throwing interceptions in the first quarter vs SF? Ridiculous….crap like that happens, and SF was an excellent, physical and opportunistic defense with an offense that converted those turnovers. The Cowboys almost came back, but fell short. IMO, that had nothing to do with coaching.

 

[FVSTONE]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

What a bunch of BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tyke1doe]

oh, so you mean we can make excuses for JImmy in Miami? or maybe Kimmy had to deal with this new thing called the Salary cap??? Improved the Dolphins.....lol. Amazing what we accept with our legends. JImmy's days in Miami were no better than JG days here in Dallas. I love Jimmy, my favorite coach of all time. I loved everything about him... but, he hit lightning in a bottle in Dallas. Everything just lined up perfectly for him. The salary cap would never allow Jimmy to do that same thing again.

Who's making excuses for Jimmy?
I'm just stating what the situation/conditions were.
If you feel that's excuse-making, suit yourself.

 

[TheCritic]

Given the comments from Jerry Jones over Jimmy Johnson being in the ROH, I would appreciate it if the moderators will lock this thread. Even though I have doubts about whether Jimmy Johnson could have taken the Cowboys to another SB, that in no way diminishes what he did accomplish. Jimmy Johnson is deserving of being in the ROH and what Jerry said over the weekend is totally unforgivable. Wow!

 

[Rayman70]

Given the comments from Jerry Jones over Jimmy Johnson being in the ROH, I would appreciate it if the moderators will lock this thread. Even though I have doubts about whether Jimmy Johnson could have taken the Cowboys to another SB, that in no way diminishes what he did accomplish. Jimmy Johnson is deserving of being in the ROH and what Jerry said over the weekend is totally unforgivable. Wow!

Jerry is swine. He is why we can't win a SB.

 

[Rayman70]

He is a liar

 

[AbeBeta]

I used to be one of those fans who believe that had Jimmy stayed we would have won more Super Bowls.

Not anymore.

I now realize that things ended the way they did because it couldn't have gone any other way. Jimmy Johnson's act as a tough-minded psych genius was getting old and Jimmy recognized it. He figured it was better to go out on top vs. sticking around for the downside. Much easier to build a young, fast team and to do it from the perspective as the most recent best college football coach with the most cutting edge knowledge of the young players of that era. Much more difficult to maintain a team that had already peaked, was already starting to lose players and to babysit a team full of spoiled superstars.

In fact, I'm actually more impressed with what Barry Switzer did. There may have been no other coach that could have stepped into that situation and keep it together long enough to win another championship.

Your thoughts?

I like this take. For the most part, tough guy coaches who have early success tend to get tuned out as players get older and better compensated. Particularly true for former college coaches ... you just can't talk to a 30 year old like you did to a college kid. Guys like Harbaugh are a great example of how it just gets old. Guys like Meyer are examples of how bad a fit it can be.

Jimmy had a ton of success because his system liked faster players when the league was focused on bigger players. He drafted well and got lucky in the Walker trade. Of course, no one remembers the bad picks. No one brings up Steve Walsh who we burned a first on because Jimmy thought he'd be better than Aikman. sure, he flipped him and picks for #1 overall. Ismail went to the CFL and really never lived up to the hype. Yeah, it was a crap draft and not a single first rounder is in the HOF (we got Russ Maryland who was good but not first rounder good (and certainly not first overall good).