Reading Parcells book

[Tobal]

It's about his final season with the Jets

I've found it interesting, but one thing so far i found that made me raise my eyebrow is that almost halfway through the season he expresses disappointment in the defense. He says it's the same team he had last yr, but they are playing LB's more. He says he doesn't think that's the difference though.

Now my guess is that the only way you could play the LB's more would be to leave them in when the offense goes to a passing formation, unless he's reffering to rotating LB's, but I choose to go all conspiracy.

He also states that Bellichek, Grohl and Crennel like to get to scheme happy. So is that the point that Parcells quit deciding to matchup with what the offense was doing?

I just never watched his teams much after he left the Giants, and I was too young then to really think about those things.

 

[theogt]

Too "scheme happy." Wow. Five WR set? No problem. Stick linebackers on 'em.

 

[Ashwynn]

It's about his final season with the Jets

I've found it interesting, but one thing so far i found that made me raise my eyebrow is that almost halfway through the season he expresses disappointment in the defense. He says it's the same team he had last yr, but they are playing LB's more. He says he doesn't think that's the difference though.

Now my guess is that the only way you could play the LB's more would be to leave them in when the offense goes to a passing formation, unless he's reffering to rotating LB's, but I choose to go all conspiracy.

He also states that Bellichek, Grohl and Crennel like to get to scheme happy. So is that the point that Parcells quit deciding to matchup with what the offense was doing?

I just never watched his teams much after he left the Giants, and I was too young then to really think about those things.

I dont know. I never 'studied' Parcells much. Just a cursory ovservation, I decided that Parcells is stubborn and set in his ways, unable to change. He would set his mind on a scheme, regardless of wether the players could actually play that scheme. When you have superman (LT) you can make a bad scheme work for you. When you have just regular mortal men, sometims you cant make that scheme work for you. You have heard me refer to the 'square peg in a round hole' theory. Thasts what it was. Parcells could not see this or change this.

I bash him cause of this, but I recognize the contributions he made to my boys. I just dont think he was the coach meant to take us to the next level. He built a talent pool Wade can benefit from. But Parcells is far from perfect.

I am hopeful a lighter mooded Phillips will instill the drive and passion need to get us to the next level. Something Parcells could not instill due to his heavy handed coaching style.

 

[jobberone]

I dont know. I never 'studied' Parcells much. Just a cursory ovservation, I decided that Parcells is stubborn and set in his ways, unable to change. He would set his mind on a scheme, regardless of wether the players could actually play that scheme. When you have superman (LT) you can make a bad scheme work for you. When you have just regular mortal men, sometims you cant make that scheme work for you. You have heard me refer to the 'square peg in a round hole' theory. Thasts what it was. Parcells could not see this or change this.

I bash him cause of this, but I recognize the contributions he made to my boys. I just dont think he was the coach meant to take us to the next level. He built a talent pool Wade can benefit from. But Parcells is far from perfect.

I am hopeful a lighter mooded Phillips will instill the drive and passion need to get us to the next level. Something Parcells could not instill due to his heavy handed coaching style.

I never realized Parcells was so stupid. Or so lucky to win SBs and be considered a HOF coach by so many people considering how stupid and stubborn he was. Just think how good he really could have been!

 

[Sarge]

Parcells needs to thank Lawrence Taylor evertime he looks in the mirror. Otherwise, he might not be such a "lock" for the HOF.

 

[jobberone]

Parcells needs to thank Lawrence Taylor evertime he looks in the mirror. Otherwise, he might not be such a "lock" for the HOF.

That may be true. It may not be true.

Who was Parcells more like? Landry or Campo? Phillips or Lombardi? Who is Phillips more like now that I've stirred the pot?

There is a reason Campo was called Howdie Doodie. There is a reason Parcells is called...well you pick one but it won't be anything like Howdie Doodie. And you can't use Man Boobs.

How ya doing Sarge? You aren't around enough these days.

 

[rojan]

There is two different types of coaches IMO..There are coaches that can motivate players and get everything out of them, relying on man to man match ups. And than there are coaches that are not the best at motivating players but can come up with good game plans and put them in position to make plays. Being a master motivator is what made Parcells a lock for HOF.

People are saying that LT made Parcells a HOF coach but i wonder how long LT would have lasted in the league without Parcells guidance.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

People are saying that LT made Parcells a HOF coach but i wonder how long LT would have lasted in the league without Parcells guidance.

As long as he wanted to play.

 

[rojan]

As long as he wanted to play.

LT went to jail several times after his Carrer..What if he was coached by some other coach that was easy going and couldn't control him the way BP did. He could have went to jail before any one ever know how good LT really was. I know he didn't make him a saint..LT was suspended acouple times for drug use but I think Parcells controlled him enough to keep him in the League as long as he was.

 

[cowboys19]

Some people are severely underrating Parcells here.

 

[theogt]

Some people are severely underrating Parcells here.

He's a fine coach, but he has some really strange quirks. Staying in a base 3-4 when your opponent sends out 4 WRs is one of them. I'm sure Wade will have some strange quirks that I disagree with as well, but that won't be one of them.

 

[jimmy40]

Parcells needs to thank Lawrence Taylor evertime he looks in the mirror. Otherwise, he might not be such a "lock" for the HOF.

True, but you could say the same for Landry/Stauback, Walsh/Montana etc.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I dont know. I never 'studied' Parcells much. Just a cursory ovservation, I decided that Parcells is stubborn and set in his ways, unable to change. He would set his mind on a scheme, regardless of wether the players could actually play that scheme. When you have superman (LT) you can make a bad scheme work for you. When you have just regular mortal men, sometims you cant make that scheme work for you. You have heard me refer to the 'square peg in a round hole' theory. Thasts what it was. Parcells could not see this or change this.

LT may be the best defensive player of all time. Parcells made his scheme work in New England with McGinnest, he did it in NY with Mo Lewis, and he had some success here with Ware. Even though he "failed" here, lets not forget, he still assembled ALL the talent that has us gushing over Phillips scheme. If Parcells never builds this team up like it is, none of us are happy Phillips is coming here with his baerely above .500 record as a HC.

I bash him cause of this, but I recognize the contributions he made to my boys. I just dont think he was the coach meant to take us to the next level. He built a talent pool Wade can benefit from. But Parcells is far from perfect.

Whoops I guess you said it here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Parcells sucks RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

 

[rojan]

Either way I'm sure the ones that will make the final decision on Parcells making the HOF will have alot more knowledge of him and the game than we do.

 

[dogunwo]

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Parcells sucks RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

I thought you quit being the "Rabble Rouser"?

 

[Tobal]

I think my question is, did he change his philosophy. Did he trust Bellicheck enough to allow him to get scheme happy, and not allow those changes under Zimmer?

Was this just a product of becomming more conservative, or did he always play a LB over the third WR on first and second downs?

I'm not bashing him, hell I loved absorbing his knowledge from his press conferences, and no doubt he improved the talent big time.

My problems with Parcells consisted of these things.

The CB situation 3 yrs ago, everyone in the world saw that Dallas was horrible at CB opposite Newman. He kept saying he had it covered.... he didn't, we'd have been much better off if they'd even kept Mario,

The offensive line 2 yrs ago, again everyone reckognized the huge hole at RT and that they had no depth, we watched as serviceable guy after serviceable guy got scooped up.... Parcells assured us he had it covered.

The late season collapses

The inability or more likely unwillingness to matchup with what the opponents offense was doing. My feeling is he didn't want the offense dictating to him, but I feel thats a little short sighted. The offense is going to dictate your personell package to some degree. It's just the nature of the game.

 

[Sarge]

Either way I'm sure the ones that will make the final decision on Parcells making the HOF will have alot more knowledge of him and the game than we do.

Now THAT is simply not true. These guys making the decision on who gets in the HOF and who doesn't are a joke.

Sure, Parcells deserves to be in the HOF, but my point is...I've seen him called a top 5 head coach of all time.............NOT.

 

[Ashwynn]

I never realized Parcells was so stupid. Or so lucky to win SBs and be considered a HOF coach by so many people considering how stupid and stubborn he was. Just think how good he really could have been!

How lucky was he without LT? Or how many SB trophies did he win without LT? How many would he have won if Scott Norwood hits that FG.

Yea, he was REALLY REALLY lucky. Lucky he had LT for a few years.

 

[burmafrd]

Great coaches MAKE their own luck a lot of the time. Look at Schotenheimer= look at some of the great players he had; but what did he do in the playoffs?
As was pointed out- LT personally was a MESS. BP kept him focused long enough to be a HOF player and win 2 rings. How many coaches could have done that?