Realistic fallback RB trade option

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm comfortable to wait and see how they perform before starting to panic. I think it has a lot less to do with talking ourselves into McFadden and a lot more to do with the handwringing regarding the running game without Murray and with the backs we do have on the roster.

This.

I don't expect any back or backs to put 2,300+ yards on the board in '15 like they did in '14.

The Cowboys aren't going to run the ball 32 times a game.

It's going to be a little less than that.

And they probably won't average 4.6 YPC like last year. But I think 4.2 to 4.4 YPC is reasonable.

And no, I don't see Romo chucking the ball "50 times a game" like some have pointed out (why do folks always go to the extreme?).

Instead of a 508/476 rushing attempts/passing attempts split, I wouldn't be surprised to see it go the other way in '15. Not that it's a horrible thing IMO, I think the passing game was underutilized in '14.

But be it as it may, the defense is going to be better in '15– maybe a lot better and it won't need the protection it garnered in '14.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I look at the Raiders games from last year and I see DMC as a fit on third down but I have heard nothing from the club actually showing their hand. Given how wrong we were about the draft and RB, I am fairly confident that conventional wisdom is not accurate in this case.

I'm just going to wait and see. I can see all of them including Dunbar having success and I don't even like Dunbar.

Although I haven't seen actual statements I have seen people say they have said they are still looking into the HB situation. If thats true we could see some sort of move before TC. Personally I would call up Buffalo and see if I could get Brown for Hannah.

I agree with you that it was a miscalculation. Personally I would have taken Allen or Davis in the 3rd. I dont think a Green is needed for 2 more years

 

[darthseinfeld]

This.

I don't expect any back or backs to put 2,300+ yards on the board in '15 like they did in '14.

The Cowboys aren't going to run the ball 32 times a game.

It's going to be a little less than that.

And they probably won't average 4.6 YPC like last year. But I think 4.2 to 4.4 YPC is reasonable.

And no, I don't see Romo chucking the ball "50 times a game" like some have pointed out (why do folks always go to the extreme?).

Instead of a 508/476 rushing attempts/passing attempts split, I wouldn't be surprised to see it go the other way in '15. Not that it's a horrible thing IMO, I think the passing game was underutilized in '14.

But be it as it may, the defense is going to be better in '15– maybe a lot better and it won't need the protection it garnered in '14.

I may be going flat out homer, but if Hardy misses 2-4, Gregory is a day 1 playmaker and Crawford and Lawrence improve I can see us approaching top 5. We could have a D similar to 2009 where our pass rush was so good it made the rest of the defense look good

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I may be going flat out homer, but if Hardy misses 2-4, Gregory is a day 1 playmaker and Crawford and Lawrence improve I can see us approaching top 5. We could have a D similar to 2009 where our pass rush was so good it made the rest of the defense look good

I just posted elsewhere that this is shaping up to be the best defense the Cowboys have fielded in the last 5 years.

I don't know about top-5, but even top-10 would be a big jump. Last season the defense gave up 5.8 yards per play (down from 6.1 ypp in '13), the 10th ranked defense in '14 gave up 5.3 yards per play. Cutting a 1/2 yard per play would be huge.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I just posted elsewhere that this is shaping up to be the best defense the Cowboys have fielded in the last 5 years.

I don't know about top-5, but even top-10 would be a big jump. Last season the defense gave up 5.8 yards per play (down from 6.1 ypp in '13), the 10th ranked defense in '14 gave up 5.3 yards per play. Cutting a 1/2 yard per play would be huge.

Alot of it rides on the rooks, which I know is always expecting alot. If we passable CB play from Jones (which is never guarentee from a rookie CB) that would be a huge boost to the secondary as there is alot of things he can do Moore couldn't. If Gregory hits the ground running, I think that lead to improved play from Carr as well

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Alot of it rides on the rooks, which I know is always expecting alot. If we passable CB play from Jones (which is never guarentee from a rookie CB) that would be a huge boost to the secondary as there is alot of things he can do Moore couldn't. If Gregory hits the ground running, I think that lead to improved play from Carr as well

Agreed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Although I haven't seen actual statements I have seen people say they have said they are still looking into the HB situation. If thats true we could see some sort of move before TC. Personally I would call up Buffalo and see if I could get Brown for Hannah.

I agree with you that it was a miscalculation. Personally I would have taken Allen or Davis in the 3rd. I dont think a Green is needed for 2 more years

Green might not be ready until then. I think a big part of the disconnect is taht the Cowboys are looking ahead to two three years from now as well as the immediate.

Let me preface this by saying that I am not attributing any of this to you but it is an ethic amongst all too many sports fans.

Any time the Cowboys do something unexpected, the immediate reaction is often that we are right and the Cowboys are clueless. While that certainly may be true, most of the time the analysis ends right there. After all it is easier to say someone else is wrong than it is for introspection. Maybe we are the ones being wrong.

Maybe the Cowboys have a different evaluation of their RB in 2015 than we do and they aren't wrong. We as fans are arguing from a position of ignorance and Garrett is extra special coy about his specific thoughts. But what do we know?

We know that the club has had the majority of the team including all of the RB in the facility since at least mid April and likely before then. They would have already done all of the physicals and athletic benchmark testing. IOW they have MRI's of William's knee. They are going to know what their 40 times, 10 yard splits and anything else they need to know to set up the training regimen. Further they are going to see them in the classroom and how they are working out. While the coaches cannot run practice, Romo and Witten have been out on the field working on things without coaches for years.

Is it out of the realm of possibility that they came in improved and actually impressed the VR braintrust?

Now I know what Alex and the banned club will say: "wishful thinking." Well, maybe but if that is the case then so is the notion that Garrett and the Joneses are stupid. The difference is that I am hoping that the team will do well and the other is hoping that they are right. It's hubris and little more.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Green might not be ready until then. I think a big part of the disconnect is taht the Cowboys are looking ahead to two three years from now as well as the immediate.

Let me preface this by saying that I am not attributing any of this to you but it is an ethic amongst all too many sports fans.

Any time the Cowboys do something unexpected, the immediate reaction is often that we are right and the Cowboys are clueless. While that certainly may be true, most of the time the analysis ends right there. After all it is easier to say someone else is wrong than it is for introspection. Maybe we are the ones being wrong.

Maybe the Cowboys have a different evaluation of their RB in 2015 than we do and they aren't wrong. We as fans are arguing from a position of ignorance and Garrett is extra special coy about his specific thoughts. But what do we know?

We know that the club has had the majority of the team including all of the RB in the facility since at least mid April and likely before then. They would have already done all of the physicals and athletic benchmark testing. IOW they have MRI's of William's knee. They are going to know what their 40 times, 10 yard splits and anything else they need to know to set up the training regimen. Further they are going to see them in the classroom and how they are working out. While the coaches cannot run practice, Romo and Witten have been out on the field working on things without coaches for years.

Is it out of the realm of possibility that they came in improved and actually impressed the VR braintrust?

Now I know what Alex and the banned club will say: "wishful thinking." Well, maybe but if that is the case then so is the notion that Garrett and the Joneses are stupid. The difference is that I am hoping that the team will do well and the other is hoping that they are right. It's hubris and little more.

I see your. Us as fans only have certain amounts information to base an idea or opinion. After that its on the fans themselves wheather or not they have faith in the evaluation.

Now here is a question for you that may or may not contradict the Green point I made depending on your veiw. Looking into a little more it drew me away a bit from my point there

In the late third, is your priority instant gratification at HB, knowing you options ( Davis and Allen) are either high floor/low ceiling types ( Allen) or moderate cieling/ low floor types ( Davis), that you could pencil in for 900 yards, but may never get you more then 1,100 yards in a season. Or do you take a player that you believe is value, but is behind two starters this season and possibly 2016. But beyond that you feel they will become a high level starter.

This is your opinion, not what you belive the FO thinks. No write or wrong awnser. Could be a good case of need VS your board

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see your. Us as fans only have certain amounts information to base an idea or opinion. After that its on the fans themselves wheather or not they have faith in the evaluation.

Now here is a question for you that may or may not contradict the Green point I made depending on your veiw. Looking into a little more it drew me away a bit from my point there

In the late third, is your priority instant gratification at HB, knowing you options ( Davis and Allen) are either high floor/low ceiling types ( Allen) or moderate cieling/ low floor types ( Davis), that you could pencil in for 900 yards, but may never get you more then 1,100 yards in a season. Or do you take a player that you believe is value, but is behind two starters this season and possibly 2016. But beyond that you feel they will become a high level starter.

This is your opinion, not what you belive the FO thinks. No write or wrong awnser. Could be a good case of need VS your board

They met with Green at the combine and again in one of the 30 meetings. They obviously value quick feet and guys like Flowers and Fluker aren't their ideal. Green is. I'm guessing that the doctors didn't have an issue with his ankle or shoulder although a torn labrum is easily degenerative.

The didn't meet with Davis or Allen. I take that is they didn't see them as better than Dunbar.

 

[darthseinfeld]

They met with Green at the combine and again in one of the 30 meetings. They obviously value quick feet and guys like Flowers and Fluker aren't their ideal. Green is. I'm guessing that the doctors didn't have an issue with his ankle or shoulder although a torn labrum is easily degenerative.

The didn't meet with Davis or Allen. I take that is they didn't see them as better than Dunbar.

I thought I read that they like Fluker at OG?

Garrett seems to be a big Randle. Jones seems to a big McFadden fan. I think they meet halfway. Personally I think Randle is capable of 1,300 if used properly. I do have two issues with him. 1) Can he be counted on or will he get in trouble and miss games. 2) I dont think he can be used the same way as Murray. Watching him in games he reminds me more of a McCoy then a Murray. More shifty then powerful. Not a huge issue in the grand scheme of things.