Realistic Free-Agents Thread

[Disturbed]

FA....I thought our primary job this off-season was to resign Ware to a lonmg term deal. We don't have that much cap space, so why are you guys talking about FA?????

 

[dbair1967]

FA....I thought our primary job this off-season was to resign Ware to a lonmg term deal. We don't have that much cap space, so why are you guys talking about FA?????

Jones and S Jones even said dont expect any big free agent splashes, but wait and see...late on day one or certainly by the end of day two of f/a, if we havent added a big name CZ will meltdown and proclaim Jones a failure as a GM.

Even though some of those same people are the one's who say today "I wish Jerry wouldnt go after big names"..."too many high priced players"...etc etc

 

[KingintheNorth]

FA....I thought our primary job this off-season was to resign Ware to a lonmg term deal. We don't have that much cap space, so why are you guys talking about FA?????

We have approx 10 million in cap room after draftpicks.

If we were to cut Brad Johnson, Greg Ellis, Roy Williams, and Anthony Henry we would have around 20 million in cap room.

 

[dbair1967]

We have approx 10 million in cap room after draftpicks.

If we were to cut Brad Johnson, Greg Ellis, Roy Williams, and Anthony Henry we would have around 20 million in cap room.

I dont think the 10 million we reportedly have currently is AFTER the draft, its including the draft. There isnt a separate pool of money for picks.

I'm sure a couple guys will be gone to free up some cap room, but if they cut TO thats eats almost 10 mils (granted, about the same as him being here) but its 10 mils for a player not here though. They have RFA's and EFA's they have to sign. They need to fill spots at ILB, S and backup QB. Ware's deal needs to get done.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

I think our problem more or less lies with the hole at ILB and FS moreso than DE. Canty is going to get paid somewhere, more or less MIami or the NYJ. Landry won't be too expensive, Scott will, but since he is older his contract wont be as great as a Crowder IMO.

 

[InDakWeTrust]

You are right there, but I only think the ones gone from your list are Roy and Brad Johnson. Each are too expensive and Roy should be getting paid on par with Keith Davis IMO, because their play is on the same level IMO, and Roy doesn't deserve his contract right now. Ellis and Henry with both get restructured deals, in part because Henry can still be useful in spot time at CB and S but Battle/Landry (I hope) will beat him out in TC. This team from the top to bottom needs to change its mentality. They haven't proven anything and needs to play with some hunger, therefore restructuring some contracts and bringing in a Scott and or Landry will show this team that if you struggle you may either be forced to take a pay cut or not be a Cowboy. And that includes TO, good or bad. (Which is another thread by itself).

 

[KingintheNorth]

I dont think the 10 million we reportedly have currently is AFTER the draft, its including the draft. There isnt a separate pool of money for picks.

No but teams generally put aside the cap room they know they'll have to spend on draft picks based on how many draft picks they have. All of the printed reports I saw said something to the effect that it was 10 million not counting what they would need for draft choices,

 

[Disturbed]

I dont think the 10 million we reportedly have currently is AFTER the draft, its including the draft. There isnt a separate pool of money for picks.

I'm sure a couple guys will be gone to free up some cap room, but if they cut TO thats eats almost 10 mils (granted, about the same as him being here) but its 10 mils for a player not here though. They have RFA's and EFA's they have to sign. They need to fill spots at ILB, S and backup QB. Ware's deal needs to get done.

Okay, so the TO issue is both chemistry and money....let's say he is gone and Austin will play opposite RW.

We will have Ware (1 yr left on contract) and 3 other players UFA (Canty, Burnett, and Davis)....spots that will need to be filled. Along with other veteran players that should be released -- Johnson, Williams, Henry, Ellis... So after these moves will it be cap neutral so we have 10M space for this years draft class?

2009 draft class is 9 players (Rd 1 none, Rd 2 pick 51, Rd 3 pick 69, Rd 4 picks 97 and 113, Rd 5 Picks 149 and 160, Rd 6 pick 185 and Rd 7 picks 193 and 209).

 

[SLATEmosphere]

We have approx 10 million in cap room after draftpicks.

If we were to cut Brad Johnson, Greg Ellis, Roy Williams, and Anthony Henry we would have around 20 million in cap room.

EXACTLY!! I hope all those zero leadership guys are gone...Not to mention Zach Thomas is another 5 million..so thats 25 million? Considering Ware is going to get paid..that would still leave enough

Option 1....Cut the above mentioned names. Target Atogwe,Mcfadden and Crowder

Option 2...Target Suggs and resign Burnett or sign Crowder.

Option 3...Target Scott and Atogwe

If any of those options happen with a little mix and match of each than I would be estatic..Those players fill the holes in our roster.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Honestly adding free agents doesn't add leadership. For us to be successful it'll have to come from the players we currently have. And imo, Ray Lewis isn't leaving Baltimore, that team is too close to returning to the superbowl.

 

[Asa55]

EXACTLY!! I hope all those zero leadership guys are gone...Not to mention Zach Thomas is another 5 million..so thats 25 million? Considering Ware is going to get paid..that would still leave enough

Option 1....Cut the above mentioned names. Target Atogwe,Mcfadden and Crowder

Option 2...Target Suggs and RESIGN BURNETT or sign Crowder.

Option 3...Target Scott and Atogwe

If any of those options happen with a little mix and match of each than I would be estatic..Those players fill the holes in our roster.

I would sign bart scott before i would resign kevin.

 

[dbair1967]

I would sign bart scott before i would resign kevin.

I think he'd probably cost more.

Personally I think he is a product of their system more than anything else. I dont see him as a special player. In fact I bet if you plugged Burnett in up there in Ryan's scheme and plugged Scott in here, Burnett's numbers would be just as good as what Scott had been doing.

Burnett had one big season (2006) and hasnt done alot sense.

 

[TheCount]

he's an awful backup where he is now...why would it be any different here?

the dude just cant play, and he might be the most mistake prone QB in football...thats the last thing you want in a backup

When was the last time a QB prospered in Buffalo?

He's capable and young enough to still accept coaching. He'd get better here if coached correctly.

Unfortunately for us, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady aren't going to come here and backup Romo, so maybe it's time to be a little more realistic.

You can get a guy with upside and see what you can make of him as a backup, nothing wrong with that. Considering people are open to drafting a QB in like the 5th round and making him Romo's backup, I'd say J.P. isn't too far a step down.

 

[bootsy]

When was the last time a QB prospered in Buffalo?

He's capable and young enough to still accept coaching. He'd get better here if coached correctly.

Unfortunately for us, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady aren't going to come here and backup Romo, so maybe it's time to be a little more realistic.

You can get a guy with upside nad see what you can make of him as a backup, nothing wrong with that. Considering people are open to drafting a QB in like the 5th round and making him Romo's backup, I'd say J.P. isn't too far a step down.

Agreed. There aren't many backups in the league that are on par with the starter. We need a backup to give us a chance at winning. Not one where we already know we have no chance. A backup just to keep it going until the starter gets back from injury. Lohsman or Boller would be more than adequate for this job.

 

[dbair1967]

Agreed. There aren't many backups in the league that are on par with the starter. We need a backup to give us a chance at winning. Not one where we already know we have no chance. A backup just to keep it going until the starter gets back from injury. Lohsman or Boller would be more than adequate for this job.

do you believe what you just wrote? if so how does that apply to Losman, who is so mistake prone?

and Brad Johnson was the starter for the Tampa game, which we did win. We won mostly because of the defense, but he also didnt turn the ball over any.

I am not saying I want him back here, I think he's clearly done. But he gave us a chance that day because he didnt turn the ball over. Losman makes way too many mistakes.

 

[KingintheNorth]

If San Francisco cuts ties with Alex Smith he goes to the top of my list of possible Romo back-up's.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I dont think the 10 million we reportedly have currently is AFTER the draft, its including the draft. There isnt a separate pool of money for picks.

I'm sure a couple guys will be gone to free up some cap room, but if they cut TO thats eats almost 10 mils (granted, about the same as him being here) but its 10 mils for a player not here though. They have RFA's and EFA's they have to sign. They need to fill spots at ILB, S and backup QB. Ware's deal needs to get done.

You're right but our draft picks won't subtract much from that number because we have no first rounder. Most of our picks won't be making much at all above the minimum. With the Rule of 51, the only amount that adds to the cap will be the total difference between the collective cap hit of the draft picks and the minimum salary X the number of draft picks.

TO costs about 600K more off the cap than on so if we cut him that would knock us down to about 9.4 mil under rather than 10 mil under, everything else equal.

I'm guessing we'll be about 8.5 to 9 million under after draft picks and cutting TO (assuming of course that we do.) Just a guess of course, with all the normal qualifications about consulting Adam, etc.

Of course, the more of our guys we resign, the less there is for other teams' FAs. But this is all before any potential cuts to cap space eaters like Ellis and Roy.

 

[bootsy]

do you believe what you just wrote? if so how does that apply to Losman, who is so mistake prone?

and Brad Johnson was the starter for the Tampa game, which we did win. We won mostly because of the defense, but he also didnt turn the ball over any.

I am not saying I want him back here, I think he's clearly done. But he gave us a chance that day because he didnt turn the ball over. Losman makes way too many mistakes.

YES I BELIEVE IN WHAT I JUST WROTE OR I WOULDN'T HAVE WROTE IT.

Lohsman and Boller give you a chance to win way more than Brad Johnson could even dream of at this point.

Johnson was the starter in the Tampa game. Gee I didn't know that. He was definitely not the reason we won the game. In case you didn't notice we scored a whopping 13 points in that game and our lone TD came on a fantastic catch by RW11 at the end of the half. The defense won that game not Johnson. I do remember Brad not playing well against the Rams and Giants though in two LOSSES.

Johnson made mistakes too. A lot of them that cost us games. Lohsman is younger and can throw the ball past 20 yards.

 

[dbair1967]

Johnson made mistakes too. A lot of them that cost us games. Lohsman is younger and can throw the ball past 20 yards.

like I said, I do agree Johnson is done

However we did win the game that he started against a )then) very good Tampa team, and one of the reasons we won is because he didnt throw 3 balls to the other team or fumble every time he was hit...

Losman does alot of both of those...I dont care how far he can throw it, he is as dumb as a brick and in college and the pros you see reports of teammates and coaches not liking the guy at all.

Boller might be interesting as a backup.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I would sign bart scott before i would resign kevin.

Agreed..Bart has played the 3-4 his whole career. And with all this talk of Bradie playing horrible at weakside LB then Bart would be perfect since he plays that in Baltimore. I would let Burnett walk ONLY if we could get Bart for sure.