Reality check on Trey Lance beating Day Prescott or even Cooper Rush

[VaqueroTD]

I think most of us are realistic about this young man's chances, but for those who are beating the drums that our #1 and #2 are in trouble it doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs.

There has never been a successful QB project under Jerry Jones. Only 3 QBs have been successful as starters - Troy Aikman, Dak Prescott and Tony Romo. Troy was a gimme, the #1 overall pick and even Tom Landry admitted he would have drafted Troy if he had stayed on as coach. Tony Romo was Sean Payton's baby, and to stress the point even further that Jerry is horrible at spotting talent, Romo would have been cut if Quincy Carter hadn't failed his drug test. And then Dan Prescott who Jerry definitely didn't want because he tried his darnedest to draft another failed QB in Paxton Lynch. And the Cowboys lucked into Dak as a 13-3 rookie starter, that wasn't by choice. So who does Jerry get credit for? Names like Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. Winners. And this same GM was the first person the 49ers called because they know how much he drools over project QBs even though he couldn't pick the right one in an open field.

But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost. This was the 49ers. This was not Steve Young who looked horrible on the worst franchise in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Bucks. Or even Jim Plunkett failing with the then horrible New England Patriots and winning Super Bowls as the franchise QB for the Raiders years later. This is the 49ers, who have maybe the best offensive minded head coach in the NFL, and are one of the most dominant teams in the NFL the last few years even if they don't have a SB win.

Anything is possible. But if I had to put money on Trey Lance becoming a franchise QB, I would definitely go the other direction. Which is sad, because I do think there's a good chance that Dan has played his last year here, and the Cowboys have no viable replacement. We are far from the Ron Wolf GM, or Green Bay Packers, who have the next great QB always lined up.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

The chances of Trey being an NFL starter are not good. But Jerry likes these charity cases, if it hits he is a hero and if not, well there was no expectation.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You sound worried.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The chances of Trey being an NFL starter are not good. But Jerry likes these charity cases, if it hits he is a hero and if not, well there was no expectation.

I don’t know if he qualifies as a charity case he was a top 3 pick in the draft…..

 

[OGSixshooter]

I think most of us are realistic about this young man's chances, but for those who are beating the drums that our #1 and #2 are in trouble it doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs.

There has never been a successful QB project under Jerry Jones. Only 3 QBs have been successful as starters - Troy Aikman, Dan Prescott and Tony Romo. Troy was a gimme, the #1 overall pick and even Tom Landry admitted he would have drafted Troy if he had stayed on as coach. Tony Romo was Sean Payton's baby, and to stress the point even further that Jerry is horrible at spotting talent, Romo would have been cut if Quincy Carter hadn't failed his drug test. And then Dan Prescott who Jerry definitely didn't want because he tried his darnedest to draft another failed QB in Paxton Lynch. And the Cowboys lucked into Dak as a 13-3 rookie starter, that wasn't by choice. So who does Jerry get credit for? Names like Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. Winners. And this same GM was the first person the 49ers called because they know how much he drools over project QBs even though he couldn't pick the right one in an open field.

But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost. This was the 49ers. This was not Steve Young who looked horrible on the worst franchise in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Bucks. Or even Jim Plunkett failing with the then horrible New England Patriots and winning Super Bowls as the franchise QB for the Raiders years later. This is the 49ers, who have maybe the best offensive minded head coach in the NFL, and are one of the most dominant teams in the NFL the last few years even if they don't have a SB win.

Anything is possible. But if I had to put money on Trey Lance becoming a franchise QB, I would definitely go the other direction. Which is sad, because I do think there's a good chance that Dan has played his last year here, and the Cowboys have no viable replacement. We are far from the Ron Wolf GM, or Green Bay Packers, who have the next great QB always lined up.

I hear you. Count Dooku was a necessarily loss...soon we will have a new apprentice...one far younger and more powerful....

 

[jazzcat22]

So another hate on Trey Lance thread? I think most know he is no threat to Dak, only hopeful thinking, but he may be a threat to Rush.
But Dak fans fear Trey. Not that he will takeover this year, but that he could next year, if he looks good and they can reach a new contract.
I like Dak to a degree, but I am ready to move on. Regular season, great, playoffs, not so much.

"doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs."

I have only seen reports where he looks very good.

"But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost."

Only from the fans that hate him on here.

Not a one of us knows what he can or can't do in this scheme.

 

[VaqueroTD]

I have only seen reports where he looks very good.

 

[DogFace]

I don’t know if he qualifies as a charity case he was a top 3 pick in the draft…..

That’s my thing…has this guy really had a great chance to prove he could or couldn’t play? He was the starter and got hurt, no? Then Purdy played great and they moved on

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

So another hate on Trey Lance thread? I think most know he is no threat to Dak, only hopeful thinking, but he may be a threat to Rush.
But Dak fans fear Trey. Not that he will takeover this year, but that he could next year, if he looks good and they can reach a new contract.
I like Dak to a degree, but I am ready to move on. Regular season, great, playoffs, not so much.

"doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs."

I have only seen reports where he looks very good.

"But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost."

Only from the fans that hate him on here.

Not a one of us knows what he can or can't do in this scheme.

We need to stop with the “regular season, great” Dak stuff and tell truth about it.

“Regular season, great, depending on if we’re playing a good team or not” is more accurate when talking about Dak.

Dak against the Commanders and Giants is not the same Dak against the 49ers and Bills.

Thats why Lamar Jackson with less stats easily won MVP over Dak.

I said what I said.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That’s my thing…has this guy really had a great chance to prove he could or couldn’t play? He was the starter and got hurt, no? Then Purdy played great and they moved on

I honestly am confused on that. Because I don’t get why you don’t let him and Purdue battle it out. And Shanahan has made Purdy, Cousins and Jimmy look good. I don’t get why you would trade someone with a high ceiling you traded multiple first rounders for. Doesn’t make sense to me unless they determined he couldn’t play.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So another hate on Trey Lance thread? I think most know he is no threat to Dak, only hopeful thinking, but he may be a threat to Rush.
But Dak fans fear Trey. Not that he will takeover this year, but that he could next year, if he looks good and they can reach a new contract.
I like Dak to a degree, but I am ready to move on. Regular season, great, playoffs, not so much.

"doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs."

I have only seen reports where he looks very good.

"But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost."

Only from the fans that hate him on here.

Not a one of us knows what he can or can't do in this scheme.

I don’t think it’s hate I think it’s a realistic take. I’ve been saying this from jump those thinking he will go from failing in a Shanahan system to a franchise qb or even a backup are praying and hoping.

It’s disturbing to me they have protected him like some child to the point he couldn’t even get reps last year as a backup. There’s no hate. No Dak fan should fear Lance lol. He won’t determine if Dak is here next season or not.

 

[DuncanIso]

The chances of Trey being an NFL starter are not good. But Jerry likes these charity cases, if it hits he is a hero and if not, well there was no expectation.

Ask JimmyG about Lance.

 

[jazzcat22]

Means nothing, this is one persons observations. So how many throws, on some throws, late. That is not inconsistent. Maybe the receiver was not all the way open he did not want to risk getting picked.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Means nothing, this is one persons observations. So how many throws, on some throws, late. That is not inconsistent. Maybe the receiver was not all the way open he did not want to risk getting picked.

Give me “inconsistent” over “sloppy” as Dak was described.

 

[jazzcat22]

I don’t think it’s hate I think it’s a realistic take. I’ve been saying this from jump those thinking he will go from failing in a Shanahan system to a franchise qb or even a backup are praying and hoping.

It’s disturbing to me they have protected him like some child to the point he couldn’t even get reps last year as a backup. There’s no hate. No Dak fan should fear Lance lol. He won’t determine if Dak is here next season or not.

They did not plan to give him reps as a back up. Fans need to get over that. If there was a game that did not involve a playoff spot, then maybe they would have.
Like the last game if it was not going to improve their seeding.

They did not protect him like a child. They had a plan and stuck to it. Dak fans fear this now, until he gets a new contract. I can't imagine this place if / when that happens.
If Dak does get a new contract, I will be fine with that as well. He is our QB so I will support him to help the team win. If not, I will sit back and let it all play out.

 

[blueblood70]

I think most of us are realistic about this young man's chances, but for those who are beating the drums that our #1 and #2 are in trouble it doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs.

There has never been a successful QB project under Jerry Jones. Only 3 QBs have been successful as starters - Troy Aikman, Dan Prescott and Tony Romo. Troy was a gimme, the #1 overall pick and even Tom Landry admitted he would have drafted Troy if he had stayed on as coach. Tony Romo was Sean Payton's baby, and to stress the point even further that Jerry is horrible at spotting talent, Romo would have been cut if Quincy Carter hadn't failed his drug test. And then Dan Prescott who Jerry definitely didn't want because he tried his darnedest to draft another failed QB in Paxton Lynch. And the Cowboys lucked into Dak as a 13-3 rookie starter, that wasn't by choice. So who does Jerry get credit for? Names like Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. Winners. And this same GM was the first person the 49ers called because they know how much he drools over project QBs even though he couldn't pick the right one in an open field.

But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost. This was the 49ers. This was not Steve Young who looked horrible on the worst franchise in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Bucks. Or even Jim Plunkett failing with the then horrible New England Patriots and winning Super Bowls as the franchise QB for the Raiders years later. This is the 49ers, who have maybe the best offensive minded head coach in the NFL, and are one of the most dominant teams in the NFL the last few years even if they don't have a SB win.

Anything is possible. But if I had to put money on Trey Lance becoming a franchise QB, I would definitely go the other direction. Which is sad, because I do think there's a good chance that Dan has played his last year here, and the Cowboys have no viable replacement. We are far from the Ron Wolf GM, or Green Bay Packers, who have the next great QB always lined up.

He's not beating out Prescott neither is Cooper rush beating out Prescott, neither is probably 20 other quarterbacks in the league on other teams starting with beat out Prescott ,let's just understand that people just want anybody but Prescott now so they'll say the most ridiculous things...​

We all know that it would take a perfect team you know like the 2000 Ravens defense and a run game like no other any coaching staff that are geniuses in order to carry a player like Cooper rush your team has to play nearly perfect the barely win by 1 score... That's just one example but that's what this fan base seems to envision this plug-in anyone and use the money to build the team well they don't just come around just like elite quarterbacks don't come around elite players don't come around well I could tell you this elite defense is an elite run games don't come around that often at the same time and that's what some of those teams did to get those average to below average quarterbacks into and to win a Super Bowl it was undeniably an epic team that carried an average quarterback..

We are so far from that and it's evident I mean did you watch the games last year the ones we lost were more on the defense than they were on the offense or special teams the defense was not there our superstars did not step up and there was no run game I mean how do you think a quarterback an average quarterback is gonna function Prescott may not get us into the NFC championship game but I promise you we wouldn't even be in the playoffs 5 of the 8 years like he's brought us if we had guys like Cooper rush starting for us we would be getting five wins maybe we could scrape 7 yeah that's what I want, I want to be way below average to bad every year because nobody wants Prescott on the team...​

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However, the debate should be how big a chance does Trey Lance have to oust Cooper rush and I feel like it's a conceivable that he can it's probable I don't think the gap is as big as most think here I know what you think you saw at San Francisco but the kid was young he was over drafted and you think sometimes you feel the pressure when someone gets three first round picks for you and then you're injured a lot it you never get to take off the pressures off he started on the depth chart and he's learning he's starting over he excited...​

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So I think the probability is high that Trey Lance gets Cooper rush off this team this offseason cause I think also you gotta add in the fact that I think the Jones family don't wanna feel like they wasted a fourth round pick and they wanna see him get every snap he can that Prescott's not taking we need to see what we have in him we already know we have in Cooper rush he has an average arm an overrated talent because he needs an elite group around him in order to even win in game by 1 score... All the hype that he had about ohh he doesn't turn the ball over yes he does ohh he can run this offense better because he just stays within the offense no he doesn't I watched the same stuff I watched the team plays so well during that five game stretch well at least for four games that we could have played the Wildcat and plug anybody in there and just didn't throw the ball very often it's still won those games that's how great things were going but when Prescott came back and the injury started around the team and we started backtracking and the defense disappeared and the run game still didn't look very good all of a sudden yeah it takes quarterbacks like Prescott to win a game..​

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So knowing this, I just don't think Cooper rush has that big advantage over Trey Lance at this point if you factor in everything the Cowboys might just wanna hand them the keys to the backup because if we lose Prescott for any period of time Cooper rush isn't taking this team that ohh y'all seem to think didn't do anything they all season anywhere so you might as well utilize trade Lance and just see what you got so you know what to do with them in 2025 you can't just let them be the emergency quarterback all year and expect to know any of that it's bad enough that #2 isn't going to get many snaps but I at least would probably almost right now unless he looks so bad in preseason I think it's a done deal Cooper rush might end up being asked to either take a pay cut or they're just gonna outright release the guy..​

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And we're going to find out that Cooper rush isn't going to have much of A career going to the same way that Mike white and will grier did I don't think he's gonna do much..​

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Sometimes we overrate players and in this case, I think it's a lot like Ced.Wilson and some of the other guys who left here who seemed to be overrated while they were here but didn't do much of anything after they left here.​

 

[jazzcat22]

Give me “inconsistent” over “sloppy” as Dak was described.

Inconsistent can be improved upon.

 

[blueblood70]

I don’t think it’s hate I think it’s a realistic take. I’ve been saying this from jump those thinking he will go from failing in a Shanahan system to a franchise qb or even a backup are praying and hoping.

It’s disturbing to me they have protected him like some child to the point he couldn’t even get reps last year as a backup. There’s no hate. No Dak fan should fear Lance lol. He won’t determine if Dak is here next season or not.

Let's be clear nobody fears Cooper rush either most overrated player on this team in my opinion because of circumstances in those games where an elite team showed up for four games made him look good when he knows one score games when our offense looked like trash.. Also let's be clear they're probably in 20 other quarterbacks in this league also that would not fear dak fans or Prescott himself that would take his job... So you're being a little hard on a guy that maybe the pressure is off after the three first round picks and injuries that had him have setbacks he didn't get a good chance now he gets a second chance as 1/3 quarterback last year to work himself into this offense with no pressure whatsoever getting help getting support from Prescott and the rest of the team I think he could beat out Cooper rush cause it's not gonna be that hard.. That's my opinion the gap in the talk should not be between Prescott and rush it should be between rush and Lance and I don't think rush is good enough to take away what needs to be done in the eyes of the front office who gave up a fourth round pick for him knowing they need to know something by 2025 and if Prescott goes down for any length of time Cooper rush is not saving us either so why not give all the snaps to Trey Lance it's not gonna matter that much Cooper wants is not gonna win us enough games to do anything at Prescott's done for the year or ten games...

That's my opinion this debate needs to be can Trey Lance do enough like not be so horrible in this offseason and preseason games to take Cooper Russia's job and I say yes I think so he would have to be the most horrible looking quarterback we've ever had to not get the number two job in my opinion... I mean we're not looking at this as can he be a starter just looking at it can he be the backup so he can get enough reps to show what he can or can't do for 2025..

To me the bigger question always is the reason Cooper rush looks so good because we have an elite team for like four games they played out of their minds and all phases and covered up all his deficiencies which are a lot he's so overrated it's ridiculous.. So Cooper rush is not gonna carry us like a Nick Foles did so what's the harm of just promoting Trey Lance and either demoting Cooper rush if he wants to stay or just letting him off the hook and let him go seek out another team...

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Inconsistent can be improved upon.

Yup.

It’s like the difference between “ignorance” and “stupidity”. Ignorance can be fixed with education, but you can’t fix stupid.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I don’t get why you would trade someone with a high ceiling you traded multiple first rounders for. Doesn’t make sense to me unless they determined he couldn’t play.

Two things........I think from Shanahan's view Purdy checked all intangible boxes with average talent and/or Lance on the other hand, with decent athletic ability, had little or no confidence. he shows little or no confidence to run an NFL offense as a starter with starter being the keyword. I am 100% confident Shanahan wanna Trey to be that guy, especially with what they invested. What is even more alarming is Shanahan didn't think he was even worthy of a 2nd string QB. He didn't see enough in Lance to challenge Purdy in case he was wrong. That tells ya how strong his decision was about Lance.

Personally I think the kid's confidence is gone. At this point, It's probably best to forget where he was drafted and develop him like you would a 6th or 7th-round pick.