Reality check on Trey Lance beating Day Prescott or even Cooper Rush

[Chasing6]

Not sure where one guy’s opinion on X became “the press”, the same guy who said an 8-year starter looked sloppy. Wouldn’t the latter concern a Dak fan more?

Not at all. Dak's has attempted over 5,000 passes in his college/NFL career compared to less than 500 with Trance.

Dak has been taking starter reps 11+ years.

Trance struggled just to play in HS.

 

[OmerV]

I think most of us are realistic about this young man's chances, but for those who are beating the drums that our #1 and #2 are in trouble it doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs.

There has never been a successful QB project under Jerry Jones. Only 3 QBs have been successful as starters - Troy Aikman, Dak Prescott and Tony Romo. Troy was a gimme, the #1 overall pick and even Tom Landry admitted he would have drafted Troy if he had stayed on as coach. Tony Romo was Sean Payton's baby, and to stress the point even further that Jerry is horrible at spotting talent, Romo would have been cut if Quincy Carter hadn't failed his drug test. And then Dan Prescott who Jerry definitely didn't want because he tried his darnedest to draft another failed QB in Paxton Lynch. And the Cowboys lucked into Dak as a 13-3 rookie starter, that wasn't by choice. So who does Jerry get credit for? Names like Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. Winners. And this same GM was the first person the 49ers called because they know how much he drools over project QBs even though he couldn't pick the right one in an open field.

But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost. This was the 49ers. This was not Steve Young who looked horrible on the worst franchise in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Bucks. Or even Jim Plunkett failing with the then horrible New England Patriots and winning Super Bowls as the franchise QB for the Raiders years later. This is the 49ers, who have maybe the best offensive minded head coach in the NFL, and are one of the most dominant teams in the NFL the last few years even if they don't have a SB win.

Anything is possible. But if I had to put money on Trey Lance becoming a franchise QB, I would definitely go the other direction. Which is sad, because I do think there's a good chance that Dan has played his last year here, and the Cowboys have no viable replacement. We are far from the Ron Wolf GM, or Green Bay Packers, who have the next great QB always lined up.

This is your take after 1 day of Mini Camp? That he's inconsistent and the press is all over it? Come on ....

Obviously we can't feel confident about Lance at this point, and you're right that odds of him being a franchise QB aren't good, but much of the above text is pretty questionable.


1. I'm not seeing all the negative press to begin with, but it's been one day of mini camp, so how much of an assessment about where things stand today could have been made?

2. I don't think anybody really thinks Lance is a threat to Dak - at least not this year, if ever. But to Cooper Rush? Of course he's a threat to Rush.

3. How do you figure Tony Romo wasn't a project? An undrafted QB that sat on the bench a few years while the team hoped he would develop? The fact Sean Payton wanted to sign him as a free agent doesn't change that he was a project. A player can only become a project if a team decides he's worth signing. .

4. Dak was drafted as a project as well, but he got thrust into starting duty prematurely because of injuries. He wasn't drafted to be a ready for the NFL player, he was a 4th round pick and expected to sit on the bench for a few years and see how he could develop. The fact Jerry first tried to trade for Paxton Lynch doesn't change that..

5. Lance wasn't as bad as you make him out in SF. He certainly wasn't great, but he did fine in his limited playing time as a rookie when Garappolo got hurt, and he was named the starter going into the 2022 season, but got injured early in his 2nd game.

 

[John813]

I'm going in with zero expectations. Hopefully, he surprises in a good way.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

I don't think Lance beats out Dak I think Lance and Rush will always be backup QB's... The future franchise QB isn't on our roster yet...

 

[jazzcat22]

you need better sources (go find Broaddus latest mini-camp. Update)……Trey Lance has been awful once the helmet and pads came on. Trigger Trey can’t hit a crossing route or WR moving in stride. Football helmet is too heavy for the Skinny Legs. The media is doing a good job on being nice to the developing Lance. Trey Lances arm is already dead…….One read Trigger Trey might not make it to Training camp. Poor Cooper Rush

You lost me at Broaddus. One of the worst scouts ever. He has been wrong on many players.
What you say Broaddus said is opposite that 10 other reporters and coaches ad scouts have said.

Don't fear Trey, be happy we as a TEAM, have a QB that may have some potential for once. We will see come PS games.

 

[blueblood70]

None of us will really know what Trey Lance is until we see him in pads against some real competition. Whatever any QB looks like in shorts and a t-shirt does nothing to impress me.

Lance has been a long shot from the day he was drafted. He only started 17 games at QB at North Dakota State and the level of completion he faced was not SEC or Big 12 level. He was drafted at 20 years and 11 months old. He is now 24. He is one day younger than Atlanta first round QB from this year Michael Pennix, who started 45 games in college against Power 5 competition.

What has made Lance intriguing is his size (6’4” 225), his rocket arm and his mobility. So far…it’s not over yet obviously…as he starts year 4 of trying to prove himself, he’s still not proven that he can be trusted with a regular season staring QB job. This TC and PS will tell us a lot.

Finally, as a Cowboys fan, since this thread is about a “reality check”, just for the record I’m neither a “Dak hater” nor a huge “Dak fan”. I’m a Cowboys fan and if a guy named Joe Nobody is a better QB than what we currently have I’m all for it. I know there are very strong opinions on our starting QB and that’s all part of this ongoing discussion. Always been that way. But finding even decent QB play is not as easy as most people here think.

If moving on from Dak means we get better, I’m all for it. I might even support that if a trade could produce something better or even a higher draft pick or even releasing him at the end of this year. But this front office has a very bad habit of paying a few “stars” then expecting them to carry everyone else’s briefcase. Even the chiefs don’t do that.

Finally the “Lance will be the starter this year” is premature at best. If finding a QB was as easy as using a 4th round pick to trade for one, we would see more GMs do it.

Can you find any irony in the fact that you said all that and someone that's supposed to have a superior GM and coach over there in the 49ers gave up three first round picks to move up and take a guy that you just described and everyone's worried about a fourth-round pick? You're dead on incorrect about what they look like in short that's why I think it's hilarious I see reports all over camps with the young quarterbacks like in Chicago bragging about how lethal that's going to be because they're hitting wide receivers in stride and all this other nonsense.. The only way to tell is in live games and the best you can do is preseason for some of these young guys...

And although preseason is a different speed than live regular season you can get at least an idea of what you have but what I usually go by is they need to be outrageously good in preseason and camp they even have a chance to be decent in a live game where defensive coordinators are actually designing plays to stop you...​

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But I think the bigger question here the debate should never be can he become a starter right now if can he overtake Cooper rush I don't believe there's that big a gap but I have to see it for myself but I believe the Cowboys front office is going to want to give Trey Lance every look they possibly can to see if he's worth keeping for 2025 and that may spell doom for Cooper rush I mean literally Trey Lance would have to look like the biggest garbage can ever to not get the number 2 spot here..

I mean common sense says if we lose Prescott for anywhere more than five to 10 games or the for the season what does it matter what Cooper rush can do I don't think Cooper rush is the answer either he's not gonna be a good long-term guy that was a lightning in a bottle moment those four games and he still barely can get us a touchdown and had our offense looking pretty bad...​

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So if we're thinking which guy is the best to replace Prescott if he should get injured for the year or for very long term why does it matter rush or Lance? In my opinion it's gonna be a lost season anyway you might as well just go ahead and make the decision give the job to Trey Lance unless he just like I said looks like a dumpster fire...​

 

[jazzcat22]

No one fears Trance. I have no problem moving on from any QB, if you actually have a plan for it.

Trance is not a plan. Not even close to a plan.

We currently have zero QB's on the roster for 2025.

After this year Trance will be heading into year 5 of his NFL career with less than 500 attempts in HS, College and the NFL.

That is most definitely not a plan.

Really stuck on that 500 attempts number. How about 2-5 in playoff games.

Zero QB's for 2025. Can we get through this season before we concern ourselves with the 2025 roster?

 

[jazzcat22]

He is garbage.

I will wait and see. I will take MM's word over yours.
How many INT's has Dak thrown in the playoffs against SF & GB now?

 

[SultanOfSix]

Not at all. Dak's has attempted over 5,000 passes in his college/NFL career compared to less than 500 with Trance.

Dak has been taking starter reps 11+ years.

Trance struggled just to play in HS.

Umm…OK.

So why is the guy who’s thrown over 5000 passes “sloppy”, while the one who’s thrown less than 500 only “inconsistent”? Dak on his way down?

Your responses really don’t prove what you think they’re supposed to.

 

[KJJ]

He might have a chance beating out Day Prescott.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Really stuck on that 500 attempts number. How about 2-5 in playoff games.

Zero QB's for 2025. Can we get through this season before we concern ourselves with the 2025 roster?

With 500 attempts
He would 0-0 in the playoffs.
As in he would never make it to playoffs

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

With 500 attempts
He would 0-0 in the playoffs.
As in he would never make it to playoffs

Your QB has only thrown 500 or more attempts in 4 of his 8 season.

The Cowboys are 33-17 in the years that Dak threw less than 500 attempts.

The less from Dak the better for the Cowboys.

Stay wrong, bro.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I’m not doing this with you.

You’re not going to bring me to your level.

All I did was ask a question?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So GM Jethro doubled down on someone else's mistake.

I mean I can’t say that because he only spent a 4th on what Niners spent multiple picks on.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

With 500 attempts
He would 0-0 in the playoffs.
As in he would never make it to playoffs

 

[noshame]

I think most of us are realistic about this young man's chances, but for those who are beating the drums that our #1 and #2 are in trouble it doesn't look good that the press is already saying Trey Lance looks inconsistent. No pads, no sacks, and the same offense he learned last year. I don't know what else he needs.

There has never been a successful QB project under Jerry Jones. Only 3 QBs have been successful as starters - Troy Aikman, Dak Prescott and Tony Romo. Troy was a gimme, the #1 overall pick and even Tom Landry admitted he would have drafted Troy if he had stayed on as coach. Tony Romo was Sean Payton's baby, and to stress the point even further that Jerry is horrible at spotting talent, Romo would have been cut if Quincy Carter hadn't failed his drug test. And then Dan Prescott who Jerry definitely didn't want because he tried his darnedest to draft another failed QB in Paxton Lynch. And the Cowboys lucked into Dak as a 13-3 rookie starter, that wasn't by choice. So who does Jerry get credit for? Names like Drew Henson, Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter. Winners. And this same GM was the first person the 49ers called because they know how much he drools over project QBs even though he couldn't pick the right one in an open field.

But we also saw Trey Lance play for the 49ers. He was lost, completely lost. This was the 49ers. This was not Steve Young who looked horrible on the worst franchise in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Bucks. Or even Jim Plunkett failing with the then horrible New England Patriots and winning Super Bowls as the franchise QB for the Raiders years later. This is the 49ers, who have maybe the best offensive minded head coach in the NFL, and are one of the most dominant teams in the NFL the last few years even if they don't have a SB win.

Anything is possible. But if I had to put money on Trey Lance becoming a franchise QB, I would definitely go the other direction. Which is sad, because I do think there's a good chance that Dan has played his last year here, and the Cowboys have no viable replacement. We are far from the Ron Wolf GM, or Green Bay Packers, who have the next great QB always lined up.

If it wasn't for Scott Linehan, Dak would have been flipping burgers in 2017.
If Trey isn't #1 who is going to be. Jk
But you might want to hold your predictions until TC and pre-season are over.

 

[Chasing6]

I mean I can’t say that because he only spent a 4th on what Niners spent multiple picks on.

So the Niners realized it was a mistake and GM Jetbro thought it was a good idea.

 

[Chasing6]

Umm…OK.

So why is the guy who’s thrown over 5000 passes “sloppy”, while the one who’s thrown less than 500 only “inconsistent”? Dak on his way down?

Your responses really don’t prove what you think they’re supposed to.

Yes they actually do. Trance is the least experienced QB on any roster in the NFL.

 

[Chasing6]

I will wait and see. I will take MM's word over yours.
How many INT's has Dak thrown in the playoffs against SF & GB now?

Not sure how that has anything to do with Trance being garbage.

 

[Chasing6]

Really stuck on that 500 attempts number. How about 2-5 in playoff games.

Zero QB's for 2025. Can we get through this season before we concern ourselves with the 2025 roster?

There is not another QB on any NFL roster with less than 500 snaps. Most HS QB's that get a D1 offer throw more than that in HS alone.