Reason to believe in Kyle Kosier (sarcasm)

[dwmyers]

Another known Cowboys homer.

<sarcasm>Yea, because ex beat writers for the JETS who went to school in COLUMBIA are such Cowboys homers.</sarcasm>

If he favors any team in the NFC East, it's probably the Giants, but not by much.

David.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Also, didn't Deion make a Pro Bowl or two after he became "ol one toe"?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Superpunk, I haven't been on the board long enough to witness what you reported about Charles and HH. Duly noted.

Dwmyers...I am sorry, but I should have clarified. I was being sarcastic about the Zimmerman thing. He is anything but a Cowboys homer.

 

[BigDFan5]

No he's not a homer. He's just doing his job.........compile information on a piece of paper and sell it to willing fans.......

So did he just make things up? Last year what other CB gave up just over 300 yards and 0 TDs all season long? Who was better?

 

[superpunk]

lol Cowpoke - you've been a member longer than me! Look for any incredibly long thread. There's a good chance Charles or HH is in there defending some ill-concieved notion, with little factual evidence.

Although I like Charles more and more, sometimes he has some crazy stances.

Someone's gotta mix it up, right?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Last post on this for now....gotta go home. It has been one very productive day at work. LOL.

Newman is only one year younger than McAlister and Bailey. But I think if you compare them, Newman still seems to be on the rise, while the other two are either holding or on the decline.

 

[Charles]

Charles, which is it?

I am pretty sure you argued earlier about some of the other premier corners that their numbers weren't as good because no one threw at them.

No I didn't..........so your pretty wrong

Now that we see that Henry made plays because teams threw at him but Newman gets no credit. Make up your mind.

Make up my mind about what. You are going to pigeon hole me into making a ridiculous choice.

Are you assuming that teams only threw or mostly threw at Henry because Newman had covered his guy?:laugh1:

Who compiled those stats?

Did they know every Cowboy defense and each players on fields role/responsibility within the play called. Are they 100% sure everytime Newman had his man covered they threw at Henry.

Was Newman always in man to man or did he do his job of covering his man on specific patterns or routes while knowing his teammates are going to help on other routes/patterns by the WR within a play.

This is a ridiculous question.

Charles, if you aren't smart enough to realize that Williams' big plays are directly related to his ability to play close to the line, then you aren't smart enough to understand much of what has been said in this thread.

Roy Williams has made just as many plays away from the scrimmage. His strenghts are closer to the Line of scrimmage, but also remember Roy running stride for stride with Jimmy Smith and making an INT and the Eagles game last year comes to mind.

There are alotof factors that assist Roy Williams in making him the player he is, pinpointing Newman inorder to justify the best cover corner moniker reeks of homerism,

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Yeah SP, what would the boards be without different opinions.

I have been a member here for a while but my posting has been very moderate here. On the Ranch Report I have well over 10000 posts in just a little longer period of time.

Generally it is more civil here, but I still enjoy the sheer stupidity over there on occasion.

The threads here in general have more meat to them...

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Ok Charles...your quote was that Carolina didn't throw at him because Smith was out of the game and Henry was out.

The implication is that Henry gets more chances, or at least the other side of the field does because Newman is better.

As for the stats, I acknowledge some things are going to be different because of the type of defense you play. But when the numbers favor Newman across the board, I don't know how you can argue it.

Do you really think that Roy Williams is better in coverage than he is up at the line of scrimmage? Wow? Just wow. I don't think I have ever seen anyone suggest that before.

The interception against the Eagles? A great play? Well, it sure as hell made me happy. But Mcnabb threw it right to him without a receiver in sight. Roy was in the wrong place at the right time.

 

[Alexander]

The interception against the Eagles? A great play? Well, it sure as hell made me happy. But Mcnabb threw it right to him without a receiver in sight. Roy was in the wrong place at the right time.

Uh oh.

Now you have done it.

You have the nerve to suggest that Roy Williams didn't make that incredibly difficult interception?

Be prepared to get buried, my friend.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Newman was coming off a terrible, awful, God foresaken season in which he was burned right and left. Hall was the clear cut better player going into last season. Newman improved and reached Hall's level, but DeAngelo has been more consistant over their young careers.

ridiculous, Hall was a rookie going into his 2nd year last year, remember how great Nemwan looked his rookie year, and then how he did in his 2nd? what level was HAll at in '04?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Kosier may turn out to be good, but no one can honestly argue that he is better than Allen.

I can, Kosier is quick and can reach the 2nd level...BETTER!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who is saying Allen is worse? The general consensus is that Kosier is a better fit. Nobody is saying he is "better".

I am

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I dont care if you, or anyone else, agrees with me, but when people start calling Newman the best corner in football, or Drew Bledsoe a top 5 QB, or Kyle Kosier an upgrade over maybe the greatest lineman to ever live, I feel obligated to say something. This board is turning into Extremeskins, what with the blue and silver glasses that everyone seems to be sporting.

I guess Gil Brandt is a fire-breathing, Dallas Cowboy homer too, he only named Newman 1st on his All-Pro list

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No.

But there's definitely an "Ormon" in this thread....

you mean a Armoon?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

wow . If Newman has been better than Hall why hasn't been hyped by the media.

guess we know how far your football knowledge goes then, if there was any doubt before

 

[Charles]

Ok Charles...your quote was that Carolina didn't throw at him because Smith was out of the game and Henry was out.

Yep and the Carolina coaching staff didn't just stumble into the play-offs, they saw a weakness and attacked it.

The implication is that Henry gets more chances, or at least the other side of the field does because Newman is better.

Not necessarily. Defensive game plans vary from game to game. Henry could be getting more attention due to several factors, pinpointing Newman's ability to cover WR as the primary reason is ridiculous. That is what the Newman homers are trying to do.

The kid had a very good season. He got his confidence and swagger, but he wasn't called out as the best player on defense during any stretch of the season, pretty much proving the point that he couldn't (even arguably) have been the best cover corner in the league last year.

As for the stats, I acknowledge some things are going to be different because of the type of defense you play. But when the numbers favor Newman across the board, I don't know how you can argue it.

Sorry Fla Cowpoke. I live in the DC/MD/VA area. The local sportnetworks cover the Ravens aand Skins. McAlister is a better CB than Newman. They might be on different sides of the hill, but Newman hasn't reached the McAlister/Bailey level yet.

Do you really think that Roy Williams is better in coverage than he is up at the line of scrimmage? Wow? Just wow. I don't think I have ever seen anyone suggest that before.

I don't think he's better. I stated he's made just as many plays away from the scrimmage. Big difference.

The interception against the Eagles? A great play? Well, it sure as hell made me happy. But Mcnabb threw it right to him without a receiver in sight. Roy was in the wrong place at the right time.

McNabb threw a horrible pass. If he had put some air under the ball he might have connected with WR (I think Brown) who was running down the side line with Glenn covering (I think). McNabbn felt the pressure and threw a line drive pass.

Roy Williams read the play. He dropped back eyeing McNabb and Intercepted the pass. Williams wasn't lucky he read the play. Infact Bradie James read it perfectly too that is why he was able to escort Roy down the side line and destroy McNabb.

 

[wileedog]

The kid had a very good season. He got his confidence and swagger, but he wasn't called out as the best player on defense during any stretch of the season, pretty much proving the point that he couldn't (even arguably) have been the best cover corner in the league last year.

Your logic is appalling.

Sorry Fla Cowpoke. I live in the DC/MD/VA area. The local sportnetworks cover the Ravens aand Skins. McAlister is a better CB than Newman. They might be on different sides of the hill, but Newman hasn't reached the McAlister/Bailey level yet.

Ah, a variation of the "I told you so argument"

The "I live near Player X and the local media says Player X is better than Player Y." argument. That's a tough one.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Certainly not.............I agree, but calling him the Best Cover Corner last year is pure homerism.

but put "last year" in the sentence, and Newman was, w/o a doubt, the best cover corner

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh wait, when he ranks Newman the best and I agree with it. That's right.

can you disagree with it? like show stats that prove otherwise?