Reboot the offense

[JohnsKey19]

Or better yet, toss the hard drive into an incinerator.

The Cowboys offense is like the big, athletic dumb jock who is completely out of place at a school dance. Out of its element. Don't know what to do, where to turn and how to maneuver. No moves, no rhythm and awkward socially. I'm glad Aikman in a round-about way called out the staff by saying the issues go far deeper than just not having Tony Romo.

As much flack as Weeden gets, the fact remains that the best half of offensive football the entire year was engineered by Brandon Weeden in the 1st half of the Falcons game. Outside of that half, the results have been spotty regardless of who's at QB including Romo. The only difference with Romo is his superior mental/physical talent is able to overcome the garbage being fed to him from the sidelines and put together enough TD scoring drives to mask the STINK.

The play-calling and scheme is poor and unimaginative. For instance yesterday, We hit the big gainer to McFadden on the fake fly sweep-action to Lucky. AND WE NEVER GO BACK TO IT THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF!!!!

Who the heck runs button-hook patterns anymore? And if you run one, why is it 3 yds short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down?

Can we please call patterns hitting the WR in stride running either away from the DB or hit him running upfield?

Blaming the lack of offensive production mainly on Weeden/Cassell is lazy and a cop-out. If anything the backup QBs have exposed the frauds we have sitting, standing and clapping on the sidelines.This whole thing needs to be scrapped.

 

[Wolfpack]

Agree, the whole thing needs to go.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Every team in the league runs 'button hook routes' with their receivers. As far as running short of the yardage marker, again...the entire league does that. Part of it is trying to feel the defender and get into a position to make a catch and then try to make a move to get YAC to get the first. Other parts of it is just poor execution from the receiver as they could have gotten past the first down marker, but didn't quite execute the route.

The difference with Romo over Cassel are multifold. He throws a much more accurate ball with a quicker release and quite frankly, I think he throws it with more zip on the ball than Cassel has been doing. But the bigger part is his anticipation is worlds better than Cassel's. All offenses rely on QB anticipation, but this offense is probably the most anticipation based since it features such longer pass patterns and so many option routes.

Outside of getting stuffed again on 3rd and 1 on a jumbo ace package...again, I really didn't have a problem with the playcalling or the play design. Cassel just wasn't getting the job done and Dez had his worst game as a pro.




YR

 

[Cumart21]

Romo would've broken his collarbone 30 times this year.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Or better yet, toss the hard drive into an incinerator.

The Cowboys offense is like the big, athletic dumb jock who is completely out of place at a school dance. Out of its element. Don't know what to do, where to turn and how to maneuver. No moves, no rhythm and awkward socially. I'm glad Aikman in a round-about way called out the staff by saying the issues go far deeper than just not having Tony Romo.

As much flack as Weeden gets, the fact remains that the best half of offensive football the entire year was engineered by Brandon Weeden in the 1st half of the Falcons game. Outside of that half, the results have been spotty regardless of who's at QB including Romo. The only difference with Romo is his superior mental/physical talent is able to overcome the garbage being fed to him from the sidelines and put together enough TD scoring drives to mask the STINK.

The play-calling and scheme is poor and unimaginative. For instance yesterday, We hit the big gainer to McFadden on the fake fly sweep-action to Lucky. AND WE NEVER GO BACK TO IT THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF!!!!

Who the heck runs button-hook patterns anymore? And if you run one, why is it 3 yds short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down?

Can we please call patterns hitting the WR in stride running either away from the DB or hit him running upfield?

Blaming the lack of offensive production mainly on Weeden/Cassell is lazy and a cop-out. If anything the backup QBs have exposed the frauds we have sitting, standing and clapping on the sidelines.This whole thing needs to be scrapped.

Last year showed that despite a flawed offensive scheme, this team can still be successful with a good QB running the show. Based on that, I totally and 100% disagree with your statement that we should not blame the offensive production mainly on Brandon Cassel.

Please note, this is no way an endorsement of this Jason Linehan offense.

 

[egn22]

As much as I can't stand Garrett, this falls on Dez in my opinion. He's supposed to be a stud WR, top 3 in the league highest paid in the league, voice of the team, etc.
in that game you'd expect him to show up, ESPECIALLY with the whole fiasco in Green Bay last year. Dude choked. If Dez catches the TD pass that bounced off of his hands, the entire game changes. It changes the packers approach it changes the momentum, everything changes.
If he would've caught some of the other perfect passes from Cassell the whole game changes. That's what you expect from your stud WR, that's why you pay him the way you do. And he choked like he has been doing all season.
No Romo, plus a choking Dez is a recipe for a loss just like what we saw. No out coaching that. And I hate Garrett but I can't blame him for this game.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Or better yet, toss the hard drive into an incinerator.

The Cowboys offense is like the big, athletic dumb jock who is completely out of place at a school dance. Out of its element. Don't know what to do, where to turn and how to maneuver. No moves, no rhythm and awkward socially. I'm glad Aikman in a round-about way called out the staff by saying the issues go far deeper than just not having Tony Romo.

As much flack as Weeden gets, the fact remains that the best half of offensive football the entire year was engineered by Brandon Weeden in the 1st half of the Falcons game. Outside of that half, the results have been spotty regardless of who's at QB including Romo. The only difference with Romo is his superior mental/physical talent is able to overcome the garbage being fed to him from the sidelines and put together enough TD scoring drives to mask the STINK.

The play-calling and scheme is poor and unimaginative. For instance yesterday, We hit the big gainer to McFadden on the fake fly sweep-action to Lucky. AND WE NEVER GO BACK TO IT THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF!!!!

Who the heck runs button-hook patterns anymore? And if you run one, why is it 3 yds short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down?

Can we please call patterns hitting the WR in stride running either away from the DB or hit him running upfield?

Blaming the lack of offensive production mainly on Weeden/Cassell is lazy and a cop-out. If anything the backup QBs have exposed the frauds we have sitting, standing and clapping on the sidelines.This whole thing needs to be scrapped.

I stated before other teams win with their backups. Why can't we? If Weeden/Cassell was so bad why bring them in here in the first place and expect different results? If we weren't so predictable maybe we wouldn't have gotten Romo injured in the first place.

Most of the issues we have stem from the fact our coach doesn't know how to draw up a plan utilizing the talent given to him. He is still stuck playing in the offense of the 90s where all we did was handoff to Emmitt and throw to Irvin. Our offense is easy to figure out. The play that Romo got injured we had no one in the backfield to block and we were running deep routes. That invited the Eagles to blitz up the middle untouched.

These days I see young OCs drawing up plans on the sidelines and making adjustments. We don't seem to make any of those kinds of adjustments that take advantage of our opponents weakness. When Sam Shields came off the field with an injury, did we take advantage of that? Nope.

Garrett is nothing more than a glorified cheerleader and gets his team to play hard. But so does the competition. What he lacks is true coaching ability. He's not an X and Os guys and doesn't have a feel for the game. Thus you see a very convoluted and much maligned offense. The results speak for itself.

 

[LatinMind]

Every team in the league runs 'button hook routes' with their receivers. As far as running short of the yardage marker, again...the entire league does that. Part of it is trying to feel the defender and get into a position to make a catch and then try to make a move to get YAC to get the first. Other parts of it is just poor execution from the receiver as they could have gotten past the first down marker, but didn't quite execute the route.

The difference with Romo over Cassel are multifold. He throws a much more accurate ball with a quicker release and quite frankly, I think he throws it with more zip on the ball than Cassel has been doing. But the bigger part is his anticipation is worlds better than Cassel's. All offenses rely on QB anticipation, but this offense is probably the most anticipation based since it features such longer pass patterns and so many option routes.

Outside of getting stuffed again on 3rd and 1 on a jumbo ace package...again, I really didn't have a problem with the playcalling or the play design. Cassel just wasn't getting the job done and Dez had his worst game as a pro.




YR

Agree They showed it lastnight, (forgot the player) but showed him getting open looking for the ball and wasnt thrown to him then was late and was tackled short.

Think it was Beasley

 

[Oh_Canada]

Every team in the league runs 'button hook routes' with their receivers. As far as running short of the yardage marker, again...the entire league does that. Part of it is trying to feel the defender and get into a position to make a catch and then try to make a move to get YAC to get the first. Other parts of it is just poor execution from the receiver as they could have gotten past the first down marker, but didn't quite execute the route.

The difference with Romo over Cassel are multifold. He throws a much more accurate ball with a quicker release and quite frankly, I think he throws it with more zip on the ball than Cassel has been doing. But the bigger part is his anticipation is worlds better than Cassel's. All offenses rely on QB anticipation, but this offense is probably the most anticipation based since it features such longer pass patterns and so many option routes.

Outside of getting stuffed again on 3rd and 1 on a jumbo ace package...again, I really didn't have a problem with the playcalling or the play design. Cassel just wasn't getting the job done and Dez had his worst game as a pro.




YR

The jumbo package hasn't worked all year, so of course they try it again.

 

[Alexander]

This reboot would require getting rid of Linehan and having Garrett agree to scrap all of his offensive philosophies. It will never happen.

They will just assume it is a talent issue and get other warm bodies to do the same things.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The jumbo package hasn't worked all year, so of course they try it again.

McFadden isn't a jumbo package runner. Murray was good in the jumbo package because he runs with power and is good at being patient when he needed to be patient. He would also do a stutter step and hide behind the pile and then find a crease to get thru.

Part of the jumbo packages is you have to have TE's that can fake the block, release and catch a pass. I don't think Romo is really the QB for it because he isn't tall enough and doesn't have an overhand throwing motion like a Brady does (who is great at the jumbo package, throw to the TE's). I also think that has generally been Witten's weakest part to his game...his ability to feign a block and release in short yardage. Escobar and Hanna don't see to be adept at it either.

I disagree with them trying to force that package and even worse...running it every time. Mainly because the personnel isn't really there for it and I have to question the TE coaching that we can't find a TE that can do it well.




YR

 

[Wolfpack]

The jumbo package hasn't worked all year, so of course they try it again.

The Packers probably knew which gap the call was going to it's so predictable.

 

[CATCH17]

Every team in the league runs 'button hook routes' with their receivers. As far as running short of the yardage marker, again...the entire league does that. Part of it is trying to feel the defender and get into a position to make a catch and then try to make a move to get YAC to get the first. Other parts of it is just poor execution from the receiver as they could have gotten past the first down marker, but didn't quite execute the route.

The difference with Romo over Cassel are multifold. He throws a much more accurate ball with a quicker release and quite frankly, I think he throws it with more zip on the ball than Cassel has been doing. But the bigger part is his anticipation is worlds better than Cassel's. All offenses rely on QB anticipation, but this offense is probably the most anticipation based since it features such longer pass patterns and so many option routes.

Outside of getting stuffed again on 3rd and 1 on a jumbo ace package...again, I really didn't have a problem with the playcalling or the play design. Cassel just wasn't getting the job done and Dez had his worst game as a pro.




YR

I agree with everything you said but so many offenses do a good job of just getting the ball in their players hands and we do not do that.

Yes, our offense is mostly timing but when the timing is off and guys are draped with coverage then you have to adjust and we don't.

Cassell has won 35 games in this league but when you put him with Garretts offense he looks like he should've never been in the league.

IMO this is not a Brandon Weeden or MAtt Cassell problem.I'm confident we'd be criticizing a lot of these backup QB's around the league who are having success if they were here trying to run our system.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This reboot would require getting rid of Linehan and having Garrett agree to scrap all of his offensive philosophies. It will never happen.

They will just assume it is a talent issue and get other warm bodies to do the same things.

Exactly.

This offense is going to continue to be held back by it's coaching staff.

Of course next year they'll have Romo back to save them from that. He'll have to come in and play well above the ability of what the coaches are putting together for an offense.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I agree with everything you said but so many offenses do a good job of just getting the ball in their players hands and we do not do that.

Yes, our offense is mostly timing but when the timing is off and guys are draped with coverage then you have to adjust and we don't.

Cassell has won 35 games in this league but when you put him with Garretts offense he looks like he should've never been in the league.

IMO this is not a Brandon Weeden or MAtt Cassell problem.I'm confident we'd be criticizing a lot of these backup QB's around the league who are having success if they were here trying to run our system.

You are not going to adjust the timing of the offense. If the QB can't anticipate, all of the adjustments in the world are going to do you know good.

I have more of a problem in that we allow the opposing defense to dictate what we do. They'll double cover Dez and we'll be fine with that and now we have to work more towards Witten, Beasley and Williams.

I would rather see us figure out a way to get Dez out of a double coverage by moving him around a little instead of using him as a decoy. And we seem unwilling to have him run a drag route or short crossing routes even though he's excellent as a YAC receiver.

I don't know why we insist on having Whitehead either run jet sweeps, screens or stay in to block and never send him deep given his speed. You would think that with Dez being doubled, and with somebody like Williams, that may get Whitehead on a safety or linebacker that can't keep up. But, we'll never know since he never runs actual pass patterns.

As far as Cassel goes, his arm looks shot to me. I don't think it's quite the offensive scheme problem when a guy can't even come close to hitting a WR in stride on a 30-yard pass.






YR

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Or better yet, toss the hard drive into an incinerator.

The Cowboys offense is like the big, athletic dumb jock who is completely out of place at a school dance. Out of its element. Don't know what to do, where to turn and how to maneuver. No moves, no rhythm and awkward socially. I'm glad Aikman in a round-about way called out the staff by saying the issues go far deeper than just not having Tony Romo.

As much flack as Weeden gets, the fact remains that the best half of offensive football the entire year was engineered by Brandon Weeden in the 1st half of the Falcons game. Outside of that half, the results have been spotty regardless of who's at QB including Romo. The only difference with Romo is his superior mental/physical talent is able to overcome the garbage being fed to him from the sidelines and put together enough TD scoring drives to mask the STINK.

The play-calling and scheme is poor and unimaginative. For instance yesterday, We hit the big gainer to McFadden on the fake fly sweep-action to Lucky. AND WE NEVER GO BACK TO IT THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF!!!!

Who the heck runs button-hook patterns anymore? And if you run one, why is it 3 yds short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down?

Can we please call patterns hitting the WR in stride running either away from the DB or hit him running upfield?

Blaming the lack of offensive production mainly on Weeden/Cassell is lazy and a cop-out. If anything the backup QBs have exposed the frauds we have sitting, standing and clapping on the sidelines.This whole thing needs to be scrapped.

How is not Cassel fault when he is missing guys wide open. I counted many times last night when Cassel didn't go to the open guy. Our recievers were getting open. .....Cassel didn't make the throw. Took sacks when not needed, throws too high, throws to low, throws 5 yards away from reciever

QB play has been a huge problem. ...correct that number 1 problem on offense

 

[JohnsKey19]

How is not Cassel fault when he is missing guys wide open. I counted many times last night when Cassel didn't go to the open guy. Our recievers were getting open. .....Cassel didn't make the throw. Took sacks when not needed, throws too high, throws to low, throws 5 yards away from reciever

QB play has been a huge problem. ...correct that number 1 problem on offense

I'm not absolving the QB performance from the backups. But it would be a huge mistake to leave it at that. There are deeper issues there.

I'm glad Aikman had the guts to make this statement on the air.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not absolving the QB performance from the backups. But it would be a huge mistake to leave it at that. There are deeper issues there.

I'm glad Aikman had the guts to make this statement on the air.

It was definitely good to hear.

I'm sure if so many in the media weren't buddies with Garrett they would really drop the hammer on him but that's about as critical as we will get from Aikman.

 

[dreghorn2]

My biggest concern, re: Dez, is the amount of single coverage he is seeing, and not beating.

 

[Doomsday]

JG failed to adjust his offense to fit Cassel's strengths. He was successful in NE because they ran a lot of shorter crossing routes and hit their backs out of the back field a lot. He looks like a totally different QB when he is throwing the ball over the middle to WItten, because those are the types of throws he is comfortable with. Instead JG continues to send 2 and 3 WRs 20 yards down the field and we had ZERO completions to our RBs yesterday as well.