Reboot the offense

[ConstantReboot]

I said it over and over in the game thread. Running routes short of the marker on third down is unbelievably stupid. Yet we do it over and over so it must not be a mistake.

Don't think that Garrett going to change the way the offense runs any time soon. He had a chance to do it for almost 10 years now. I don't think its gonna happen.

 

[Zekeats]

Or better yet, toss the hard drive into an incinerator.

The Cowboys offense is like the big, athletic dumb jock who is completely out of place at a school dance. Out of its element. Don't know what to do, where to turn and how to maneuver. No moves, no rhythm and awkward socially. I'm glad Aikman in a round-about way called out the staff by saying the issues go far deeper than just not having Tony Romo.

As much flack as Weeden gets, the fact remains that the best half of offensive football the entire year was engineered by Brandon Weeden in the 1st half of the Falcons game. Outside of that half, the results have been spotty regardless of who's at QB including Romo. The only difference with Romo is his superior mental/physical talent is able to overcome the garbage being fed to him from the sidelines and put together enough TD scoring drives to mask the STINK.

The play-calling and scheme is poor and unimaginative. For instance yesterday, We hit the big gainer to McFadden on the fake fly sweep-action to Lucky. AND WE NEVER GO BACK TO IT THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF!!!!

Who the heck runs button-hook patterns anymore? And if you run one, why is it 3 yds short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down?

Can we please call patterns hitting the WR in stride running either away from the DB or hit him running upfield?

Blaming the lack of offensive production mainly on Weeden/Cassell is lazy and a cop-out. If anything the backup QBs have exposed the frauds we have sitting, standing and clapping on the sidelines.This whole thing needs to be scrapped.

Just keep on slow dancing Boyz

 

[Wolfpack]

With Weeden, yes.

With Cassell, after that Giants game, you can't blame the staff. The problem I have is A. Pulling Weeden and inserting a guy with no chemistry, and B. going that long with Weeden as the backup and then going into panic mode with desperate decisions.

That's typical panic mode for the Dallas brain trust. They handled RB and WR the exact same way. There is no plan or forward thought.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You telling me that you just cant plug any RB behind this offensive line and it will purr like a kitten? That Murray actually had talents and a skill set specifically that fit this offense that other RBs just don't have?

How can this be? I was told a million times during training camp and preseason that any RB could run behind this oline.....so confused

Yup.

I was told the same thing. And I still get told that Murray was no good.

With that said, I wasn't for re-signing him at the amount he received and it looks like that was the right move.





YR

 

[CCBoy]

That's coaching. Yet another failure.

A classical and also unchallenged concept always appears to be following direction, unless one is also paying to sum of failures and real time responses.

Being unable to adjust to reality over an eight game losing period means that functional is being derailed despite form fitting it to a particular point of view. That view be damned, and Jerry's we owe attention, just doesn't get anywhere close to responsible adjustments or accountabilities.

 

[CCBoy]

Yup.

I was told the same thing. And I still get told that Murray was no good.

With that said, I wasn't for re-signing him at the amount he received and it looks like that was the right move.





YR

My first inquiry on subject here, is how much current cap space will be required to be let go, with the directions that were taken this past off season?

And Murray wouldn't have changed the degree of failure that accumulated around this offensive group's production without Tony Romo.

 

[Alexander]

Don't think that Garrett going to change the way the offense runs any time soon. He had a chance to do it for almost 10 years now. I don't think its gonna happen.

You are right about that. The closest this offense came to conceptual change was when Callahan was inserted and we saw how quickly that changed.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Bull his throws aren't even close. Stop making excuses for Cassel. He has been horrible and it has nothing to do with coaches telling him where to throw. ....wide open guys with no defender around. ..

Cassell is aweful, as is the head coach. You will get no argument from me.

 

[CowboyRoy]

With Weeden, yes.

With Cassell, after that Giants game, you can't blame the staff. The problem I have is A. Pulling Weeden and inserting a guy with no chemistry, and B. going that long with Weeden as the backup and then going into panic mode with desperate decisions.

The offense is conservative and uncreative no matter who is the QB. Dez is all but ignored. Rub routes, WR Screens, Shallow crosses, deep bombs simply dont exist in the offense yet you see them successfully being done all over the NFL.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You telling me that you just cant plug any RB behind this offensive line and it will purr like a kitten? That Murray actually had talents and a skill set specifically that fit this offense that other RBs just don't have?

How can this be? I was told a million times during training camp and preseason that any RB could run behind this oline.....so confused

No, this was just what the Murray apologists wanted it to sound like. Most, and me included said that Murray was simply too costly and not worth the money. Most wanted a top pick in the draft to replace him. In fact, there were only a few that said "we would be fine with these backs". And for most part they were hammered all off season.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

My first inquiry on subject here, is how much current cap space will be required to be let go, with the directions that were taken this past off season?

And Murray wouldn't have changed the degree of failure that accumulated around this offensive group's production without Tony Romo.

It's not so much about cap space is it is about projected future production.

Murray had 436 carries last season. Football Outsiders has shown a long history of massive drop-offs in production from players after they have a season of 380 carries for RB's not named Eric Dickerson. (I know some statisticians disagree with this, but I find the theory to be statistically valid. Anyway, another point another time).

And we are seeing it right now as Murray is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. And for all of the criticism of the run game, McFadden is averaging 4.2 ypc and the offense as a whole is averaging 4.4 yard per carry.

It's just that Murray was an excellent RB with this team. McFadden is more or less solid. And there's a dropoff in production with that. Especially since we can't pick up a 3rd and 1 to save our lives.

However...that Murray no longer exists. Garrett and Linehan over-worked him and now he needs to go to the glue factory.







YR

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's not so much about cap space is it is about projected future production.

Murray had 436 carries last season. Football Outsiders has shown a long history of massive drop-offs in production from players after they have a season of 380 carries for RB's not named Eric Dickerson. (I know some statisticians disagree with this, but I find the theory to be statistically valid. Anyway, another point another time).

And we are seeing it right now as Murray is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. And for all of the criticism of the run game, McFadden is averaging 4.2 ypc and the offense as a whole is averaging 4.4 yard per carry.

It's just that Murray was an excellent RB with this team. McFadden is more or less solid. And there's a dropoff in production with that. Especially since we can't pick up a 3rd and 1 to save our lives.

However...that Murray no longer exists. Garrett and Linehan over-worked him and now he needs to go to the glue factory.


McFadden is terrible. And last time I checked he was averaging like 3.7 yards a carry.




YR

 

[CowboyRoy]

McFadden is terrible. And last time I checked he was averaging like 3.7 yards a carry

 

[dallasdave]

Or better yet, toss the hard drive into an incinerator.

The Cowboys offense is like the big, athletic dumb jock who is completely out of place at a school dance. Out of its element. Don't know what to do, where to turn and how to maneuver. No moves, no rhythm and awkward socially. I'm glad Aikman in a round-about way called out the staff by saying the issues go far deeper than just not having Tony Romo.

As much flack as Weeden gets, the fact remains that the best half of offensive football the entire year was engineered by Brandon Weeden in the 1st half of the Falcons game. Outside of that half, the results have been spotty regardless of who's at QB including Romo. The only difference with Romo is his superior mental/physical talent is able to overcome the garbage being fed to him from the sidelines and put together enough TD scoring drives to mask the STINK.

The play-calling and scheme is poor and unimaginative. For instance yesterday, We hit the big gainer to McFadden on the fake fly sweep-action to Lucky. AND WE NEVER GO BACK TO IT THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF!!!!

Who the heck runs button-hook patterns anymore? And if you run one, why is it 3 yds short of the 1st down marker on 3rd down?

Can we please call patterns hitting the WR in stride running either away from the DB or hit him running upfield?

Blaming the lack of offensive production mainly on Weeden/Cassell is lazy and a cop-out. If anything the backup QBs have exposed the frauds we have sitting, standing and clapping on the sidelines.This whole thing needs to be scrapped.

Or better yet, toss the hard drive into an incinerator.------That's the thing to do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

McFadden is terrible. And last time I checked he was averaging like 3.7 yards a carry

He's averaging 4.2 ypc.

With Matt Cassel leading the passing attack.

I don't think he's terrible at all. But, not the best fit for this offense.




YR

 

[dcjules]

how about a rub route, NE seems to try it!!!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

He's averaging 4.2 ypc.

With Matt Cassel leading the passing attack.

I don't think he's terrible at all. But, not the best fit for this offense.




YR

Up until last game he had done little of anything dynamic. How many TD's does he have? 1? He is a average to below average RB in my opinion and certainly no one you would want in the leading role. He had his shot and he wasnt a difference maker. For my money, we need to move on. Granted he would have done better had Romo played the whole season. But like Garrett, you get to see who the difference makers are on this team when Romo was out. I didnt see many did you?

 

[NextGenBoys]

You telling me that you just cant plug any RB behind this offensive line and it will purr like a kitten? That Murray actually had talents and a skill set specifically that fit this offense that other RBs just don't have?

How can this be? I was told a million times during training camp and preseason that any RB could run behind this oline.....so confused

I'm with you. Said the same the entire offseason.

Hoping Philly cuts him and he can come back here. It's clear we miss him.

 

[NextGenBoys]

It's not so much about cap space is it is about projected future production.

Murray had 436 carries last season. Football Outsiders has shown a long history of massive drop-offs in production from players after they have a season of 380 carries for RB's not named Eric Dickerson. (I know some statisticians disagree with this, but I find the theory to be statistically valid. Anyway, another point another time).

And we are seeing it right now as Murray is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. And for all of the criticism of the run game, McFadden is averaging 4.2 ypc and the offense as a whole is averaging 4.4 yard per carry.

It's just that Murray was an excellent RB with this team. McFadden is more or less solid. And there's a dropoff in production with that. Especially since we can't pick up a 3rd and 1 to save our lives.

However...that Murray no longer exists. Garrett and Linehan over-worked him and now he needs to go to the glue factory.







YR

You as well as anyone know it's more than just total YPC

We're dead last on 3rd and short. That is mainly because we don't have Murray, and it was THE MAIN reason I wanted to keep him. Anyone can get yards on 1st and 2nd down, but Murray was elite at short yardage and getting tough yards.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's not so much about cap space is it is about projected future production.

Murray had 436 carries last season. Football Outsiders has shown a long history of massive drop-offs in production from players after they have a season of 380 carries for RB's not named Eric Dickerson. (I know some statisticians disagree with this, but I find the theory to be statistically valid. Anyway, another point another time).

And we are seeing it right now as Murray is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. And for all of the criticism of the run game, McFadden is averaging 4.2 ypc and the offense as a whole is averaging 4.4 yard per carry.

It's just that Murray was an excellent RB with this team. McFadden is more or less solid. And there's a dropoff in production with that. Especially since we can't pick up a 3rd and 1 to save our lives.

However...that Murray no longer exists. Garrett and Linehan over-worked him and now he needs to go to the glue factory.







YR

Good points my friend............yea, the problem was not in making the decision to retain Murray or not, the real problem was thinking the replacements we had were adequate.

Like you said, it takes a specific type of RB in this offensive system and none of the replacement backs are good fits for this offense, especially in short yardage. In this offense, you have to have a power RB to convert on short yardage, and we just don't have that right now. Hence, that is why we are worst in the NFL converting 3 and 1