RECAP: (Carl Banks on TO) Yes Another TO Thread

[adbutcher]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

 

[Yeagermeister]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

If the Iggles did promise to redo his deal then it puts a whole new pin on everything. But knowing how Philly usually deals with vets I'd be surprised if they promised it.

 

[adbutcher]

If the Iggles did promise to redo his deal then it puts a whole new pin on everything. But knowing how Philly usually deals with vets I'd be surprised if they promised it.

Who knows.

I wouldn't put it pass any owner however.

 

[Duane]

Morning Ad, great post and a whole new angle on the TO situation.

 

[Alexander]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

Nevermind an actual football player's take.

We have plenty of amateur NFL types in here that know all about a lockerroom and the dynamics that exist. They know Terrell Owens. They know exactly what he will do.

In fact, we also have quite a few others who had spycams in both the SF and Phil. lockerrooms and know exactly what happened there also.



They saw it on SportsCenter. So it happened.

 

[Charles]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

I totally believe that is how it went down. Somewhat similar to the LaVar issue in DC.

TO won't come to Dallas unless he's getting paid big bucks and Parcell's believes there's more to the story than what the mediots or media in general spoon feed the public.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

Very good point, thoughts and post! Thanks

 

[Zaxor]

I thought it had something to do with TO's 100th TD and not having fireworks and a city banquet and the major giving him the key to the city that pissed him off

 

[DBoys]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

I always form opinions based off my own experiences with the person never someone elses. Having said that the slate is clean as far as I am concerned with TO. I agree that Reid is no Parcells.

 

[Alexander]

I totally believe that is how it went down. Somewhat similar to the LaVar issue in DC.

TO won't come to Dallas unless he's getting paid big bucks and Parcell's believes there's more to the story than what the mediots or media in general spoon feed the public.

If you have followed this story since it's inception, this is exactly how it happened.

It is just over time, it has become more about the Owens persona than any of the roles the other parties played. Most of the media is notoriously slack, and wouldn't bother to try to put any other spin on this than what was the easier.

This type of perception takes research and thought. It is much easier to churn out garbage that simply continues the demon persona.

 

[adbutcher]

Morning Ad, great post and a whole new angle on the TO situation.

I wish I could remember everything he said but he made a tremendous amount of sense. His side kick I forgot his name was initially beating the mainstream drum but he countered each outlandish statement with both intelligence and poise. Towards, the end he actually started to weasel out of some of his earlier comments. He must have repeated, “I can’t wait to hear from the Dallas fans about embracing a player that desecrated the star”. Carl countered by saying at least he didn’t take a crap on it like Haley, lol. It was a good segment, imo.

 

[adbutcher]

If you have followed this story since it's inception, this is exactly how it happened.

It is just over time, it has become more about the Owens persona than any of the roles the other parties played. Most of the media is notoriously slack, and wouldn't bother to try to put any other spin on this than what was the easier.

This type of perception takes research and thought. It is much easier to churn out garbage that simply continues the demon persona.

 

[Jarv]

Think about two seperate incidents.

TO following McFlabb around the sidelines jawing in his ear on national TV. McFlabb wanted nothing to do with him and kept walking around trying to stay away from him.

Bledsoe yelling at Key after thier sideline pass and Key going nuts afterward yelling back at Drew.

TO and Bledsoe together on the sidelines.

Thats a dynamic we can see on the field, not in some locker room or behind owners doors.

Should be entertaining.

 

[Rogerthat12]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

I love hearing it from a players perspective especially one like Carl Banks. In an exchange I had on NFL "ethics" with regard to owners, coaches, agents and players activities, there seems to be a unilateral emphasis simply on some players at times but not a comprehensive application in relationship to ALL parties involved. This is at the heart of this matter and this tension will continue until the NFL somehow protects BOTH owners and players in contractual matters.

That is to say not only should players like TO be disciplined when they are out of line but also owners and coaches should have to adhere to sound NFL business "ethics" as well in their treatment of players. Carl raises a very important issue in that as fans we do not know exactly what goes on behind the scenes in the owner/ good ole boy network. We do not know the extent of corruption and lack of fairness that occurs in these matters. I have personally been verbally promised a substantial raise in the past after a year of solid production only to see that day never come after outstanding results.

Much like Carl, I do not know if this was indeed the case with TO or if this was simply Drew R. trying to milk the Philly cash cow. However, it is quite often that even if a player actually produces substantially a given season their contract can be terminated arbitrarily by an owner. Somehow, there needs to be a committment on both ends that is reasonable for all parties to avoid such inevitable clashes.This does not excuse TO's or Drew R's approach on any level but I can see how there is another side to the story which is rarely engaged and heard.

Great find bro!! :

 

[adbutcher]

Think about two seperate incidents.

TO following McFlabb around the sidelines jawing in his ear on national TV. McFlabb wanted nothing to do with him and kept walking around trying to stay away from him.

Bledsoe yelling at Key after thier sideline pass and Key going nuts afterward yelling back at Drew.

TO and Bledsoe together on the sidelines.

Thats a dynamic we can see on the field, not in some locker room or behind owners doors.

Should be entertaining.

I know a lot of people would not like to believe this but teammates argue and get into fists fights all of the time.

When you put a group of highly competitive men together sparks will fly. Scissorgate anyone?

 

[burmafrd]

that does not explain TO bit about Garcia being gay, and his rants about McFlabb. His beef was with the Birds front office- and what was his beef at SF? SOme of what Banks said was true, I have no doubt- but it only explaina PART of what TO has said and done.

 

[Big D]

I happen to know a guy who knows T.O. and he says that T.O. is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. God fearing, completely respectable and that he was totally screwed by the Eagles, Mcnabb, and the press. I was told this in the middle of the T.O. @#$storm and didn't pay too much attention to it because it was the Eagles who were suffering. :laugh2:

Now that he's on the verge of being a Cowboy, I hope that he is right so that the Cowboys can once again shock the world!

:starspin

 

[Jarv]

I happen to know a guy who knows T.O. and he says that T.O. is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. God fearing, completely respectable and that he was totally screwed by the Eagles, Mcnabb, and the press. I was told this in the middle of the T.O. @#$storm and didn't pay too much attention to it because it was the Eagles who were suffering. :laugh2:

Now that he's on the verge of being a Cowboy, I hope that he is right so that the Cowboys can once again shock the world!

:starspin

You mean that in a good way, not a SF or Philly way...right

 

[Big D]

You mean that in a good way, not a SF or Philly way...right

But of course! I want T.O. , if signed , to be the model citizen and do nothing but playball which will shock the world. ( and me too )

 

[adbutcher]

that does not explain TO bit about Garcia being gay, and his rants about McFlabb. His beef was with the Birds front office- and what was his beef at SF? SOme of what Banks said was true, I have no doubt- but it only explaina PART of what TO has said and done.

His methods are truly immature but it didn't offend me one bit. It is really hard to explain but some of the things I've said and some of the things that were said to me would definitely land me and my friends in the political incorrect prison.

Guys that played football (especially college/pro) know that nothing was off limits to your teammates. The only unfortunate thing is that TO being TO violated an unspoken rule by airing out dirty laundry in the public but I guarantee he probably wasn’t the first one to say it.

Some of it could be very hurtful if you had thin skin. I can only imagine the ribbing that R. Williams got after what his mother said.