RECAP: (Carl Banks on TO) Yes Another TO Thread

[JIGGYFLY]

This morning I was listening to Carl Banks on the NFL channel and he had an interesting perspective regarding TO.

First of all, Carl seems like a guy that should be coaching somewhere. IMO, he clearly knows football and didn’t come across as a talking head like many other former athletes.

Succinctly he stated that fans form opinions without having all of the facts. He says what goes behind closed doors in the NFL are not accurately portrayed through the media.

He posed a ‘what if’ regarding TO’s contract. He said that TO acted as if he was promised something that the iggles front office didn’t deliver on. If they promised to redo his contract and didn’t, they had to know that TO was gonna go ballistic. Also, he said his other stint with the 49er’s proved he was right about what he was saying just not how he was saying it.

Look at Mooch and Garthia. After TO left their careers spiraled; Mooch was exposed as an average coach and Garthia has proven to be nothing but a journeyman QB. Sure his behavior was childish at best but Carl said that he was using the only tools he had at his disposal to get his point across. He said the public / fans only get fed information from the coaches and owner’s perspective. He even confessed to getting in a shoving match with his head coach (not Parcells). He said that is why he loved Parcells because he knew he was dealing with men and just because he is a coach doesn’t make it right for him to crap all over you. Also, he said Reid ain’t no Parcells and he won’t have a problem with TO like Jimmie didn’t have a problem with Haley and he said that Haley was certifiable, lol.

To make a long story short, I touched on this yesterday in a post. Most of the iggle players were more then willing to give TO another chance. The only ones not interested were McFlabb, Coach Eat’em up, and the arsebassador. It is funny how they went from complete jubilee to total disdain for TO. Carl’s take was it was because of promised money. Who knows but FWIW, I tend to agree with this take.

I looked San Fran the same way this what I posted last night.

Everyone is Quick to say That TO destroyed 2 teams lets look at numbers.



San Fran a team in cap hell with a coach that has been fired from 2 jobs and a QB that has not kept a job since he stoped throwing to TO. I think Donahue and the new ownership destroyed that team.

Philly a team with an injured QB, no running game and a D that was not good all year and coming off the dreaded superbowl losing curse "The next year the losing team usually miss the playoffs". In retrospect Philly was not a very good team this year with or without the TO situation. What was Philly going to do last year anyway with Mcnabb hurt and no running game they were suspect to make playoffs anyway.

So how long does this curse of TO last if Philly bounces back next year how did TO destroy them, they still in good cap shape and they will be in the running next year for the NFC so whats the big deal?

 

[aznhalf]

You think anything terrell signs will prevent him from talking. Your deluding yourself. If terrell wants to talk to the media, nothing you make him sign is gunna stop him. Hes an idiot of the highest order.

Well when it comes down to millions of dollars I think anyone can keep their mouth shout.

I don't know if I'm way off base but I've never heard a player talk about the details of their contract or what the team has on the table. Just a thought.

 

[Alexander]

Let's see that makes several players, Carl Banks AND Terry Glenn, who believe he wouldn't be an issue. And to my knowledge, not one player has spoken out against him, as they have done in Miami for example.

These people must all be delusional.

 

[speedkilz88]

TO hasn't been talking to the media since his release. I wonder if Bill has already told him that is the way its got to be from now on?

 

[slick325]

Good post. I agree with Carl Banks on this one. If the average fan took the time to read T.O.'s actual contract terms they would realize that it truly was merely a two year deal cloaked in 7 year $49 million language. As evidence I point to the bonuses he was due to receive this month. $5 million was to be given as of Wednesday and another 6 or 7 at the end of the month. The Eagles had no intention of paying that money to T.O. when he signed the deal no matter what their cap room looked like in 2006. That $12 million in bonuses would have been the equivalent to signing a 1st tier free agent for $12 mil in signing bonuses and he is 33 yrs old. Doesn't happen too often in football. Just look at Key's situation or Glover's or LA's if you want proof that older players WILL NOT RECEIVE the agreed upon roster bonuses.

T.O. knew he had a two year deal and did what anyone else in a contract year does, ask for a new deal. Philly stonewalled him and the rest is history. Philly's front office figured they would have won a Super Bowl with him maybe two so by March of 2006 T.O. would have served his purpose but it backfired on them because they have a QB that clams up in big games and a locker room full of players that tired of the front offices tactics when it comes to paying there own.

I never blamed T.O. for asking for a new deal and admonishing the Eagles front office. I just blame him for calling out a teammate in the public eye which you just don't do.

 

[adbutcher]

I looked San Fran the same way this what I posted last night.

Everyone is Quick to say That TO destroyed 2 teams lets look at numbers.



San Fran a team in cap hell with a coach that has been fired from 2 jobs and a QB that has not kept a job since he stoped throwing to TO. I think Donahue and the new ownership destroyed that team.

Philly a team with an injured QB, no running game and a D that was not good all year and coming off the dreaded superbowl losing curse "The next year the losing team usually miss the playoffs". In retrospect Philly was not a very good team this year with or without the TO situation. What was Philly going to do last year anyway with Mcnabb hurt and no running game they were suspect to make playoffs anyway.

So how long does this curse of TO last if Philly bounces back next year how did TO destroy them, they still in good cap shape and they will be in the running next year for the NFC so whats the big deal?

Very good points. Like him or not but he clearly made the teams he played for better. On the flip side either he is the cause of imminent doom or the scapegoat. If signed we shall soon find out.

Maybe some one can help me out with TO's contract. I remember the player's union was opposed to it but he signed it anyway, I wonder why?

 

[joe_cowboy]

that does not explain TO bit about Garcia being gay, and his rants about McFlabb. His beef was with the Birds front office- and what was his beef at SF? SOme of what Banks said was true, I have no doubt- but it only explaina PART of what TO has said and done.

I didn't see this elsewhere, so...if TO wanted out of SF, a great way to push the situation would be create a rift between himself and the QB, who needs to throw him the ball. If I remember correctly, Charles Haley urinated on a teammates car among other things to get out of SF.

Possibly the same thing in Philly...the team screws you, but the franchse QB that is thought of as gold has a huge target around his neck.

In a childish way, it makes perfect sense.

 

[Doomsday101]

A clause in his contract that costs him money isn't going to stop him?

You people just crack me up.

You are all SO SURE you know what he is going to do. It is quite impressive. Can you give me lottery numbers too?

Well given his track record what do you expect? Some of us are not sticking our heads in the sand and acting as if this guys is of good character because the fact is he is not and that has been proven so over a period of time. What evidence do you have that he will not once again pull his stupid ars stunts on his 3rd team?

 

[Jarv]

One thing I will say. If TO does screw up here and causes trouble, get cut because of behavior. His days in the NFL are probably over. This is his last chance.

So maybe that will help.

 

[adbutcher]

Good post. I agree with Carl Banks on this one. If the average fan took the time to read T.O.'s actual contract terms they would realize that it truly was merely a two year deal cloaked in 7 year $49 million language. As evidence I point to the bonuses he was due to receive this month. $5 million was to be given as of Wednesday and another 6 or 7 at the end of the month. The Eagles had no intention of paying that money to T.O. when he signed the deal no matter what their cap room looked like in 2006. That $12 million in bonuses would have been the equivalent to signing a 1st tier free agent for $12 mil in signing bonuses and he is 33 yrs old. Doesn't happen too often in football. Just look at Key's situation or Glover's or LA's if you want proof that older players WILL NOT RECEIVE the agreed upon roster bonuses.

T.O. knew he had a two year deal and did what anyone else in a contract year does, ask for a new deal. Philly stonewalled him and the rest is history. Philly's front office figured they would have won a Super Bowl with him maybe two so by March of 2006 T.O. would have served his purpose but it backfired on them because they have a QB that clams up in big games and a locker room full of players that tired of the front offices tactics when it comes to paying there own.

I never blamed T.O. for asking for a new deal and admonishing the Eagles front office. I just blame him for calling out a teammate in the public eye which you just don't do.

My sentiments exactly.

Thank you for the contract information.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Good post. I agree with Carl Banks on this one. If the average fan took the time to read T.O.'s actual contract terms they would realize that it truly was merely a two year deal cloaked in 7 year $49 million language. As evidence I point to the bonuses he was due to receive this month. $5 million was to be given as of Wednesday and another 6 or 7 at the end of the month. The Eagles had no intention of paying that money to T.O. when he signed the deal no matter what their cap room looked like in 2006. That $12 million in bonuses would have been the equivalent to signing a 1st tier free agent for $12 mil in signing bonuses and he is 33 yrs old. Doesn't happen too often in football. Just look at Key's situation or Glover's or LA's if you want proof that older players WILL NOT RECEIVE the agreed upon roster bonuses.

T.O. knew he had a two year deal and did what anyone else in a contract year does, ask for a new deal. Philly stonewalled him and the rest is history. Philly's front office figured they would have won a Super Bowl with him maybe two so by March of 2006 T.O. would have served his purpose but it backfired on them because they have a QB that clams up in big games and a locker room full of players that tired of the front offices tactics when it comes to paying there own.

I never blamed T.O. for asking for a new deal and admonishing the Eagles front office. I just blame him for calling out a teammate in the public eye which you just don't do.

I never knew the exact terms of the contract so that is very eye opening to say the least good stuff.

 

[adbutcher]

I never knew the exact terms of the contract so that is very eye opening to say the least good stuff.

Ditto. All you kept hearing from the mediots is that he is asking for more money but he already had 30 mill contract, lol.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Well given his track record what do you expect? Some of us are not sticking our heads in the sand and acting as if this guys is of good character because the fact is he is not and that has been proven so over a period of time. What evidence do you have that he will not once again pull his stupid ars stunts on his 3rd team?

No one is sticking there head in the sand and condoning his actions we are just trying to look at the bigger picture and try to understand what led to this.

 

[adbutcher]

No one is sticking there head in the sand and condoning his actions we are just trying to look at the bigger picture and try to understand what led to this.

Agreed. I know he can be a jerk but people acting like we are a glee club. I am about winning and adding him will help our chances, imo. Hell we have racist jack arse stealing money on our roster and no one seems to care about him. Besides most WR are highstrung divas anyway, at least the good ones, lol.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Ditto. All you kept hearing from the mediots is that he is asking for more money but he already had 30 mill contract, lol.

Ad another thing that added to it in my opinion is when Donovan had that news conference and was going on about how Philly had won without TO, I could feel then that there was some tension between the 2, I think Donovan sounded a little jealous of the credit TO had been getting and some things were probably said in the lockeroom that got back to TO.

 

[wileedog]

I thought it had something to do with TO's 100th TD and not having fireworks and a city banquet and the major giving him the key to the city that pissed him off

Actually IIRC he was pissed that there was no mention of it all, even on the scoreboard.

And does anyone think Jerry is going to have a problem throwing a massive party if TO gets his 200th TD or whatever? He lives for that crap.

I really think the key to controlling TO will be just as much Jerry as Bill, for just that reason.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if the eagles promised to redo TOs contract, i'm sure we would have heard it from TO. (ya think?) sure, its the media. not him.

but, if it makes you feel better about signing the guy that posed on your star, have at it.

unbelievable.

that's all you got?

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Agreed. I know he can be a jerk but people acting like we are a glee club. I am about winning and adding him will help our chances, imo. Hell we have racist jack arse stealing money on our roster and no one seems to care about him. Besides most WR are highstrung divas anyway, at least the good ones, lol.

Who are you refering to might I ask.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Nice end around to cover your own anxiety at TO signing in Dallas. Should be an interesting year.

don't worry about riggo, he's just another troll giving his worthless 2 cents

 

[adbutcher]

Ad another thing that added to it in my opinion is when Donovan had that news conference and was going on about how Philly had won without TO, I could feel then that there was some tension between the 2, I think Donovan sounded a little jealous of the credit TO had been getting and some things were probably said in the lockeroom that got back to TO.

The whole situation seemed like Mcflabb was being the company man and that vibe don't go over well with me.

If I were a betting man, it probably didn't go over well in the locker room either. Imagine being a vet in the last year of your contract, you pretty much know you are going to get cut. Then you have Companyman McFly singing the praises of the iggles with his 100 mil deal. I betcha more then a few were quietly empathizing with TO, but not at the expense of winning.