InmanRoshi
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What do you think about Dale Hellestrae's HOF chances?
InmanRoshi said:What do you think about Dale Hellestrae's HOF chances?
Mash said:Tom Laundry and Jimmy Johnson didn't overrate Bill Bates.......he was what he was....a solid ST..
he never started on defence and was used as a nickel backer earlier on till they realized he couldn't cover.
Like I said...he was a solid ST and both Tom and Jimmy felt ST were as important as offence and defence.
But with all the players to wear a star on their helmet.....Bill Bates for me....is the most overrated amoung us Cowboy fans......and I dont get it....because thats all he did well...was ST...and we had others who were just as good as him on ST.
Yet to some....Bill Bates is a icon......no worries though....no skin off my back...I just dont understand the praise he gets......and why he gets mentioned with some greats that wore the star in the same sentence.
oh well....
Unforgiven said:And no one said he did.
Find one place where anyone said he did deserve those honors......
MONT17 said:I like Bates... but I think he wasa Madden creation!!! just like the COWBOYS OL from the 90s!!! some people actually think that was the greatest line ever and none of those guys are going to the HALL!!!
LA might make it but I would think the GREATEST LINE of all time would have at least 1 guy in the HAll by now!!!
ABQCOWBOY said:I think you sell that line short. I think Bates was a product of the media but I can not say that of the OL.
If I look back at that line, I see greatness at every position.
-Tui will not make the hall but he was an exceptional LT.
-Newton might have had an outside chance before the conviction but none now. Still, he was as good a guard as there was in the league for a good 5 year span.
-Step may actually have a chance some day.
-Allen is a First Ballot HOFer once he hangs them up.
-BigE was the finest RT I'd ever seen prior to the car accident. Even after he was pretty damn good. I don't see him in the Hall but had he not been injured, I think he might turn out to be better then Allen.
No, I don't think that line was a fabrication of anything. It was definatly the best line I've ever seen play and I have seen some good ones. Even now, if you look at all the great lines through out history, none of them have more then 2 players in with the possible exception of the Browns, pre modern era.
Rack said:Bill Bates is one of the all time great special teams players. Period.
Tasker 10X better then bates? Put the crack pipe down. They were neck and neck. Tasker might have been better, but it was 10X better.
If someone wants to have a picture of Bill Bates on his wall that's HIS business.
ABQCOWBOY said:I agree. I don't think that Tasker and Bates were neck and neck. I think Tasker was easily better, if only because of the speed advantage (which was significant) but I do agree they were both exceptional ST players.
If you want em on the wall, put em up there. Heck, I sometimes think about putting pictures of a 68 Dodge Charger on the wall. What the heck?
Rack said:Hey keep talking trash and you'll have a 68 dodge charger going THROUGH your wall...
If I can actually get it running.
Arch Stanton said:Bill Bates was the starting SS for the 1986 to 88 seasons. Though he did miss three games during the 1987 season. I guess he could have been injured.
Alexander said:Just stating my particular stance. Bates doesn't deserve to be mentioned as an all-time great player. All-Time "Cowboy" in terms of popularity, character and giving the warm fuzzies as a feel-good story? Probably.
As for Bluewave "Wall" of Fame, I find it strange to have a player of Bates' caliber alongside truly great players like Lilly, White and Emmitt Smith. I guess the criteria is what? Character players that were well liked on a personal level? That's fine, but if not it makes little sense. Because from a talent level, Bates is far below all of them, even Johnston.
That's it.All-Time "Cowboy" in terms of popularity, character and giving the warm fuzzies as a feel-good story? Probably.
I gotta Drew Pearson autographed pic a couple of years ago.BlueWave said:An absolute class act. On and off the field. I am still searching for a good print (artistic) of Drew Pearson for my wall of fame (which includes Emmitt Smith, Bob Lilly, Moose Johnston, Bill Bates, and Randy White), limited spots available. Anyone knows of one, let me know.