Red Exploitation

[Bleu Star]

So I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio on the way home today and enjoyed a very interesting interview with Jim Caldwell. When asked his opinion of Sean Payton he said (& I loosely paraphrase)

"from an offensive coordination perspective, he is one of the best in the business right now. He has an incredible knack for finding that weakness in defenses and exploiting it"

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That made me wonder about Garrett. So let me wonder out loud. Do you think he has reached the level where his game planning includes exploiting weaknesses or do you think he is still at the level of just hoping the game plan he put together is a winner on Sunday? How deep do you think he has progresses in the weekly phase of planning for the big game?

Disclaimer #1: This is in no way, shape, or form meant to be a jab thread at Garrett.

Disclaimer #2: This is in no way, shape, or form meant to be a jab thread at Jerry for letting Payton walk.

Please discuss.

 

[rathalarge]

Parcells was here so Payton wasn't willing to wait for the HC position here. He had Jerry's and Bill's blessing, I believe?

 

[CF74]

He has the 1st half of the game down pretty good he just needs to work on adjustments for the 2nd half.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't know about overall

but he sure exploited the Eagle's weakness with those WR screens

they had no answer for it

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

IMO Red is a top 5 or so Off coordinator. About my only problem with him anymore is sometimes he tends to get a little too cutesy when it isnt needed. Of coarse, when the CUTE play works ,everyone applauds so.....take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He basically owned Sean McDermott in the last 2 Eagles games. Made it almost look easy. Forget the WR screens, there were the slants, shotgun formations on 1st and 2nd downs, play actions into screens, the freeze draw, etc. Really great job there.

Payton has been doing a really good job this year. People forget, he wasn't that great here calling plays in '05. I thought this would bite him in the arse when he took over the Saints, but it worked in '06. But then in '07 it did and fans were getting sick of him throwing screens and running reverses. But, by about the middle of '08 he turned things around tremendously.

I believe that O-Coordinators should try to use a lot of packages and try to use motion, etc and create mismatches when they can. Payton does that but earlier on he had the same issue that Garrett did, when he couldn't get the mismatches he would get 'cute' and that usually backfires. Plus, he had a tendency to forget about the run as well. But, he's committed himself to staying balanced and using the run to power his offense as well and he's much better for it.

I think the last step for Garrett is to get the balance that Payton seeked and learn how to adjust when things aren't going like you expected. The Vikings game was a great example. We focuse on Jared Allen and Ray Edwards tore us alive. Instead of adjusting toward Edwards or runnign the ball towards Edwards or throwing a screen his way to slow him down, we kept doing the same thing and ran into the same wall.





YAKUZA

 

[CowboyMike]

See: Eagles games. WR Screen. Case closed.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Do you think he has reached the level where his game planning includes exploiting weaknesses

Absolutely.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I believe that O-Coordinators should try to use a lot of packages and try to use motion, etc and create mismatches when they can. Payton does that but earlier on he had the same issue that Garrett did, when he couldn't get the mismatches he would get 'cute' and that usually backfires. Plus, he had a tendency to forget about the run as well. But, he's committed himself to staying balanced and using the run to power his offense as well and he's much better for it.


YAKUZA

ANd he was way too cute with his play calling in NFC championship. He got lucky because Farve and Vikings team bailed him out, by the TOs. HE did the same thing in NFC Championship game against Bears.

I think Garrett is actually way more balanced than Payton is. But Payton is darn good though. NO doubt, but he still gets too cute about throwing and trick plays etc. At this point obviously Payton is better than Garrett as play caller etc. But as far as getting too cute about play calling, Payton does that way more often than Garrett IMO.

Payton was only balanced this year, earlier in the season. He got back to his roots of getting pass happy latter part.

 

[Bleu Star]

All fair assessments thus far and great feedback... Thanks! Garrett definitely owned the Eagles this year. That, in and of itself, tells a little story I suppose. Last year it was 44-6. This year, there were no remnants of that season ending thrashing to be found.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

When I first glanced at the thread title, I assumed we would be discussing the respective merits of Lenin and Stalin.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

When I first glanced at the thread title, I assumed we would be discussing the respective merits of Lenin and Stalin.

don't turn this political, mate

 

[Bleu Star]

When I first glanced at the thread title, I assumed we would be discussing the respective merits of Lenin and Stalin.

Please don't go there! I am trying to get some answers here! Thanks....

 

[gimmesix]

I think the last step for Garrett is to get the balance that Payton seeked and learn how to adjust when things aren't going like you expected. The Vikings game was a great example. We focuse on Jared Allen and Ray Edwards tore us alive. Instead of adjusting toward Edwards or runnign the ball towards Edwards or throwing a screen his way to slow him down, we kept doing the same thing and ran into the same wall.

YAKUZA

I think the two Eagles games to end the season and the Vikings game serve to show us what level Garrett is at.

There were times when he did a great job of taking away what the defense wanted to do, and there were times he did a poor job of adjusting to what the defense was doing well.

Some of that strictly falls into the area of execution, but if the offense is unable to execute what you are calling then you need to try something else. At times, Garrett is stubborn in sticking with his game plan and that's an area in which he needs to show improvement.

But I did think he showed improvement overall this season for a young coordinator, and also showed he's got things to learn.

 

[Rampage]

he's getting there but he's still going through growing pains imo.

 

[cowboys4life08]

Really most of you think Red did pretty good. Wow! The Eagles games made him look good only because they lost Jim Johnson (I believe was the best DC)and like the anouncers said the defense does not have the speed to keep up with the Boys. The Vikings made us look like who they thought we were, a team that can not adjust on the fly. Dware was getting to Favre early and often after the third series the Vikes adjusted and you did not hear from him the rest of the game. Buck and Aikman commented on that fact and was wandering why Red did not make adjustments also. Red right now is middle of the pack with out all of the Cowboy talent I don't beleive he would even be an OC.

 

[sonnyboy]

He basically owned Sean McDermott in the last 2 Eagles games. Made it almost look easy. Forget the WR screens, there were the slants, shotgun formations on 1st and 2nd downs, play actions into screens, the freeze draw, etc. Really great job there.

Payton has been doing a really good job this year. People forget, he wasn't that great here calling plays in '05. I thought this would bite him in the arse when he took over the Saints, but it worked in '06. But then in '07 it did and fans were getting sick of him throwing screens and running reverses. But, by about the middle of '08 he turned things around tremendously.

I believe that O-Coordinators should try to use a lot of packages and try to use motion, etc and create mismatches when they can. Payton does that but earlier on he had the same issue that Garrett did, when he couldn't get the mismatches he would get 'cute' and that usually backfires. Plus, he had a tendency to forget about the run as well. But, he's committed himself to staying balanced and using the run to power his offense as well and he's much better for it.

I think the last step for Garrett is to get the balance that Payton seeked and learn how to adjust when things aren't going like you expected. The Vikings game was a great example. We focuse on Jared Allen and Ray Edwards tore us alive. Instead of adjusting toward Edwards or runnign the ball towards Edwards or throwing a screen his way to slow him down, we kept doing the same thing and ran into the same wall.





YAKUZA

I disagree. He was great with us. What I liked best is that he owned Jim Johnson. When he was with the Giants and us.
We went 3-3 against the eagles from 2003-2005 and hey had the better team for that stretch. Peyton was a big part of that. He out coached/called Johnson almost every time they went head to head.

BTW Our offense was on fire in 2005 til Adams went down in week 6.

 

[T-RO]

Garrett is a ton like Payton.

Both are very bright young coaches, repeatedly crucified by a contingent of positively ignorant Cowboy fans. Both lacked total control while in Dallas but once possessing it can make the rest of the league look bad trying to keep up.

 

[Clove]

If you can't block for the passer, stop trying to pass it all the time. Simple math.

 

[Bleu Star]

Garrett is a ton like Payton.

Both are very bright young coaches, repeatedly criticized constructively by a contingent of postively dedicated Cowboy fans. Both lacked total control while in Dallas but once possessing it can make the rest of the league look bad trying to keep up.

I can easily agree with your statement after fixing it for you. You're welcome.