ReDraft

[cnuball21]

So what you’re saying is you think you know more than Will McClay. That deserves all kinds of attacks.

Nope. I’m saying I’m not going to bow down and submit praise and approval for every draft pick the Cowboys make like a puppet.

Keep the attacks coming though…it’s a good look.

 

[Rockport]

Nope. I’m saying I’m not going to bow down and submit praise and approval for every draft pick the Cowboys make like a puppet.

Keep the attacks coming though…it’s a good look.

No, you’re saying you know more than Will McClay. You didn’t even know that the TE can also catch the ball.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Yea I thought you meant like taking a DE that’s played nothing but DE their whole life and then moving over to full time 3T.

Well, yes and no lol.

Regardless of whether a DE has played DT or not, I don't think the difference between DE and 3T is drastic enough to call it a position switch that makes drafting a player risky but not apply the same logic of moving from RG to LG.

 

[cnuball21]

No, you’re saying you know more than Will McClay. You didn’t even know that the TE can also catch the ball.

So because I disagree with draft picks that equals me saying I know more than Will McClay?

Interesting take.

 

[cnuball21]

Well, yes and no lol.

Regardless of whether a DE has played DT or not, I don't think the difference between DE and 3T is drastic enough to call it a position switch that makes drafting a player risky but not apply the same logic of moving from RG to LG.

Well yea I’d disagree with that…don’t think I can remember a full time Edge prospect converting and being a great 3T in the NFL.

 

[Rockport]

So because I disagree with draft picks that equals me saying I know more than Will McClay?

Interesting take.

Yes that’s exactly what it says.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Usually when a lot of people agree on something there might be something to it…that’s why it’s called a consensus.

And these are built and updated through the draft process not after the draft. I picked players based off of how highly ranked they were and how they fit into our needs.

Over at Football Outsiders, they do a "Draft Report Card Report" every year, where they gather the grades given to each team's draft and give a consensus ranking. The Cowboys placed poorly this year, at 28th. You can find it here.

The cool thing is that they revisit it 5 years later to see how it worked out. And here's what they've found:

"It's fair to ask: does any of this really mean anything? And the answer is "probably not." After recapping the 2017 draft a few weeks ago, we broke out the Draft Report Card Report from that year and compared select evaluator's grades to the actual Approximate Value produced by each team's draft class. The good news is that every evaluator finished with a positive correlation—nobody was so wrong that you could make money betting against them. The bad news is that the strongest correlation was just 0.088, which is effectively random noise."

Nobody knows anything.

 

[cnuball21]

Yes that’s exactly what it says.

Your words not mine.

 

[rambo2]

So because I disagree with draft picks that equals me saying I know more than Will McClay?

Interesting take.

Based on recent Cowboy history, the odds on you drafting better than they do is pretty slim. Even with the advantage of picking after the fact. They have a lot more information than you do and actually get to interview and know the players. The Cowboys are good at it and have countless years of experience at it. It starts with Mazi Smith and Schoonmaker at worst looks to be a solid player. Hopefully, they get the upside of their picks.

 

[cnuball21]

Over at Football Outsiders, they do a "Draft Report Card Report" every year, where they gather the grades given to each team's draft and give a consensus ranking. The Cowboys placed poorly this year, at 28th. You can find it here.

The cool thing is that they revisit it 5 years later to see how it worked out. And here's what they've found:

"It's fair to ask: does any of this really mean anything? And the answer is "probably not." After recapping the 2017 draft a few weeks ago, we broke out the Draft Report Card Report from that year and compared select evaluator's grades to the actual Approximate Value produced by each team's draft class. The good news is that every evaluator finished with a positive correlation—nobody was so wrong that you could make money betting against them. The bad news is that the strongest correlation was just 0.088, which is effectively random noise."

Nobody knows anything.

Good stuff, I’ll have to check it out!

I can’t speak for other teams but for the Cowboys specifically there has been a more positive correlation between our higher value picks and hitting. Ex - the 2020 draft was one of our most BPA type draft over the last several years and it yielded 3 pro bowlers and a DT that has eaten a lot of snaps. All of those players were considered great value picks.

I’ve also seen a chart that highlights picks back to 2016 I could try to dig up but it yields similar results.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Well yea I’d disagree with that…don’t think I can remember a full time Edge prospect converting and being a great 3T in the NFL.

That's because good edge prospects stay at edge. There aren't really many great 3Ts in general.

The lens for Fehoko is also important. He's not drafted to be a starter, let alone a star, but a rotational/depth guy.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Over at Football Outsiders, they do a "Draft Report Card Report" every year, where they gather the grades given to each team's draft and give a consensus ranking. The Cowboys placed poorly this year, at 28th. You can find it here.

The cool thing is that they revisit it 5 years later to see how it worked out. And here's what they've found:

"It's fair to ask: does any of this really mean anything? And the answer is "probably not." After recapping the 2017 draft a few weeks ago, we broke out the Draft Report Card Report from that year and compared select evaluator's grades to the actual Approximate Value produced by each team's draft class. The good news is that every evaluator finished with a positive correlation—nobody was so wrong that you could make money betting against them. The bad news is that the strongest correlation was just 0.088, which is effectively random noise."

Nobody knows anything.

Lol, true on the conclusion there.

I think FO should do that for the first two rounds though. Because it really turns into a crap shoot after the top 50 picks or so.

 

[Rockport]

So because I disagree with draft picks that equals me saying I know more than Will McClay?

Interesting take.

From Will McClay:

Second round, No. 58 overall: Luke Schoonmaker, TE, Michigan

This pick was questioned because Florida offensive guard O’Cyrus Torrence was still available. The Cowboys went with the tight end who most mock drafts projected as a third-round pick. Torrence went with the next pick to the Bills. What was most intriguing about Schoonmaker?

“The fact that he played at Michigan,” McClay said. “The No. 1 thing at Michigan is they’re going to run the football. If you’re a tight end with a team that’s going to run the football, and you’re a point-of-attack guy, then you know the requirements and how to physically make the conscious decision to put your body on somebody else and block them. It’s a lost art in this day and age with people playing with all these space players, the undersized tight end and doing those things. Well, in the NFL, we’re looking for a guy that can do some (Y tight end) responsibilities. We know that he can do that because it’s on tape."

“But then you also look at his size, speed, athleticism and what we think he can add to the passing game as well, that was a very attractive thing in picking him. We know what we’re going to get in the run game. We know he knows how to do that. He will get better with coaching from (tight ends coach Lunda Wells). Looking for that ceiling to be really, really high, but also very excited to see what he can bring to us in the passing game.”

 

[cnuball21]

That's because good edge prospects stay at edge. There aren't really many great 3Ts in general.

The lens for Fehoko is also important. He's not drafted to be a starter, let alone a star, but a rotational/depth guy.

Touché…good point!

 

[cnuball21]

From Will McClay:

Second round, No. 58 overall: Luke Schoonmaker, TE, Michigan

This pick was questioned because Florida offensive guard O’Cyrus Torrence was still available. The Cowboys went with the tight end who most mock drafts projected as a third-round pick. Torrence went with the next pick to the Bills. What was most intriguing about Schoonmaker?

“The fact that he played at Michigan,” McClay said. “The No. 1 thing at Michigan is they’re going to run the football. If you’re a tight end with a team that’s going to run the football, and you’re a point-of-attack guy, then you know the requirements and how to physically make the conscious decision to put your body on somebody else and block them. It’s a lost art in this day and age with people playing with all these space players, the undersized tight end and doing those things. Well, in the NFL, we’re looking for a guy that can do some (Y tight end) responsibilities. We know that he can do that because it’s on tape."

“But then you also look at his size, speed, athleticism and what we think he can add to the passing game as well, that was a very attractive thing in picking him. We know what we’re going to get in the run game. We know he knows how to do that. He will get better with coaching from (tight ends coach Lunda Wells). Looking for that ceiling to be really, really high, but also very excited to see what he can bring to us in the passing game.”

“What we think he can add to the passing game…”

Agree 100% with what Will is saying - key word being think.

 

[cnuball21]

Based on recent Cowboy history, the odds on you drafting better than they do is pretty slim. Even with the advantage of picking after the fact. They have a lot more information than you do and actually get to interview and know the players. The Cowboys are good at it and have countless years of experience at it. It starts with Mazi Smith and Schoonmaker at worst looks to be a solid player. Hopefully, they get the upside of their picks.

I don’t want to draft for them just want them to stop reaching and drafting for need over talent.

 

[Cowboys22]

So because I disagree with draft picks that equals me saying I know more than Will McClay?

Interesting take.

What else could it mean? When someone says they would have done something different, it means they think they know better than the person that did whatever they disagreed with.

 

[Cowboys22]

I don’t want to draft for them just want them to stop reaching and drafting for need over talent.

As long as you rely on consensus internet rankings and not their rankings, you will never get what you want. Their rankings are based on what they are looking for in players, not what others think in generic terms. You have no idea if they reached for need or not according to their board.

 

[rambo2]

I don’t want to draft for them just want them to stop reaching and drafting for need over talent.

So, you would have been okay with leaving that massive hole in the middle of the defense that has been there for decades?

 

[cnuball21]

What else could it mean? When someone says they would have done something different, it means they think they know better than the person that did whatever they disagreed with.

It means exactly what it says it means…

I never claimed to know more than Will. He knows about injuries, personalities, character, etc…he also understands how Jerry and Mike influence.