Redsk*ns ask refs how to protect RGIII

[Rogah]

That is 4 major injuries in 6 seasons and those are the ones I could think of right off the top of my head.

Um, those 4 quarterbacks you mentioned have almost 40 years of experience among them. So that's 4 major injuries in 40 seasons for those guys, compared to 1 major injury in 1 season for RG3.

Matt Stafford has been a constantly injured QB. Even behind the great hogs, Mark Rypien got injured in the pocket in the late 80s and early 90s. Joe Montana missed significant time. Troy Aikman's career was cut short at age 33, despite playing behind one of the best offensive lines in NFL history.

Newsflash: No one is saying injuries can't happen to pocket passers. All I am saying is that RG3's style is far riskier than the classic pocket quarterbacks.

The pocket is a dangerous place as well. So is the entire football field. WIth the RO, if RG3 figures out how to slide right, he at least has the D on its heels and not attacking him in the pocket. Its much easier for D-Ware to get a big hit on him when he is in the pocket, as opposed to having his feet in cement on a read option play

I like RG3. And it's because I like him that I hope the powers-that-be in Washington are far wiser than you are in how they utilize him.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Someone is scared

You have been looking in the mirror of late? Nice

Considering the way the Commanders steamrolled the division teams in the 2nd games each time, I feel even better about this season.

A one legged RG3 ran for over 10 yards a carry in the division championship game. The time he had 2 legs against Dallas he had his best game as a passer.

Pick your poison.

 

[zrinkill]

Pick your poison.

You will when your QB has his next knee surgery within 6 months.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

You will when your QB has his next knee surgery within 6 months.

When your only hope is praying for injuries, you know you are in a world of trouble.

 

[Idgit]

If your DC is doing that, I am sending my FB to earhole your DE and knock him out for the season and take the penalties as they may come.

Don't forget, Shanahan once had a blocking system that relied on chop blocks. You want to take shots at his QB? The ankles of your d-lineman are going to be in casts by the end of the game

And when I am on D, I am sending every blitz I have until your QB is annahilated. If we want to turn the NFL into hockey, lets play.

Let's. I'll put our DEs against your FBs any week. And not worried about chops anymore, either. We can beat your blitz if you want to rely on that.

Let the best and deepest team win. That was you in week 17. I don't believe it'll be the case more often than not.

 

[muck4doo]

so then lets go to the other extreme and put a dress on RGIII and declare him untouchable?

The Brady rule?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Let's. I'll put our DEs against your FBs any week. And not worried about chops anymore, either. We can beat your blitz if you want to rely on that.

Let the best and deepest team win. That was you in week 17. I don't believe it'll be the case more often than not.

1) I like Darrel Young going up against your 30 year old+ DE's. It worked like a charm in week 17 with our QB at 50% at best

2) You couldn't beat our blitz at all, in particular in week 17, and this with no Orakpo or Carriker as well as the weakest secondary the Commanders have fielded in years. In the NFL Networks "Game of the week" you hear Romo constantly talk about how he has no protection against the blitz. The fake blitz is what killed him on the Rob Jackson INT

3) The Commanders were the better team on Thanksgiving, the better team in week 17 and going into this season will be the better team, in particular if Griffin is fully healthy. If not, I have full faith and confidence in Cousins with Alfred Morris behind him, and I have tons of confidence in the scheme, in particular the use of the pistol formation

 

[Reality]

Reminds me when I was young playing pickup football where there would be that one kid screaming "Timeout" over and over each time he was about get tackled .. that just made everyone want to tackle him more.

 

[Vtwin]

This style of play is going to force the NFL to look at the rules regarding protecting the QB. Assuming G-cubed actually makes it through the season.

If your game relies on confusing the defense as to who is going to end up running the ball with late fakes and option type plays you have to give the defense the same latitude in hitting the QB which they have in hitting the RB who doesn't have the ball after a well executed play action fake. This game most definitely takes advantage of the QB protection rules that weren't enforced to this degree twenty years ago.

It will be interesting to see if marketing wins out over logic and reason or vice versa.

 

[Rockport]

When your only hope is praying for injuries, you know you are in a world of trouble.

Funny how foreskin fans come out after last years season. Where were they before? Where will they be one the burn up Griffin?

 

[zrinkill]

When your only hope is praying for injuries, you know you are in a world of trouble.

You are the one threatening to turn the NFL into hockey if your fragile QB gets sacked.

 

[Rogah]

When your only hope is praying for injuries, you know you are in a world of trouble.

I don't see anyone in here doing this. In general, people rarely pray for something which is inevitable. For example, I don't pray for the sun to rise in the east tomorrow morning.

 

[Califan007]

Funny how foreskin fans come out after last years season. Where were they before? Where will they be one the burn up Griffin?

Wait, all I ever heard around here was how Skins fans were always here declaring themselves the next SB champs...now it's that Skins fans were never here until now?

You guys need to get your smack talking points straightened out lol...

 

[Idgit]

1) I like Darrel Young going up against your 30 year old+ DE's. It worked like a charm in week 17 with our QB at 50% at best

2) You couldn't beat our blitz at all, in particular in week 17, and this with no Orakpo or Carriker as well as the weakest secondary the Commanders have fielded in years. In the NFL Networks "Game of the week" you hear Romo constantly talk about how he has no protection against the blitz. The fake blitz is what killed him on the Rob Jackson INT

3) The Commanders were the better team on Thanksgiving, the better team in week 17 and going into this season will be the better team, in particular if Griffin is fully healthy. If not, I have full faith and confidence in Cousins with Alfred Morris behind him, and I have tons of confidence in the scheme, in particular the use of the pistol formation

This isn't last season. I don't know why you Sk*ns fans put stock in thinking that a two game stretch constitutes an irreversible trend. It obviously doesn't work like that in the NFL. We're the better team overall at full strength.

But it's nice to hear how much confidence you have in your untested backup and that the rest of the league wont counter the pistol fairly quickly. Good luck with that. We'll see how it works out for both of us, soon enough.

Darrel Young, lol.

 

[Califan007]

You are the one threatening to turn the NFL into hockey if your fragile QB gets sacked.

Sacked? No...but that's not the plan being promoted, is it lol..."sacked" means he was in the process of trying to throw. What's been advocated on this thread and for months on this site is slamming RG3 as hard as possible whether he's passing or not, whether he even has the ball or not, even if it means taking penalties--which means you're fully aware that what you're suggesting could be against the rules but you don't care.

What SHF said earlier was right: treating that as a viable defensive tactic means every defense and team in the league can and should use it. Want the 49ers defense purposefully slamming Romo into the turf whenever possible, even if its illegal, simply because they can't stop him any other way?

 

[Califan007]

This isn't last season. I don't know why you Sk*ns fans put stock in thinking that a two game stretch constitutes an irreversible trend. It obviously doesn't work like that in the NFL. We're the better team overall at full strength.

But it's nice to hear how much confidence you have in your untested backup and that the rest of the league wont counter the pistol fairly quickly. Good luck with that. We'll see how it works out for both of us, soon enough.

Darrel Young, lol.

You have THAT much confidence in your O-Line to stop blitzes? Really?

I have more confidence in Cousins w/Shanahan at the controls than I do in the Cowboys O-Line neutralizing disguised blitzes.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

The Run, Pass Option worked last year but is not long for the NFL, QBs are going to get destroyed this season......RGIII is fantastic, love the guy but any Team running their QB down the field is just flirting with disaster.

 

[Bizwah]

1) I like Darrel Young going up against your 30 year old+ DE's. It worked like a charm in week 17 with our QB at 50% at best

2) You couldn't beat our blitz at all, in particular in week 17, and this with no Orakpo or Carriker as well as the weakest secondary the Commanders have fielded in years. In the NFL Networks "Game of the week" you hear Romo constantly talk about how he has no protection against the blitz. The fake blitz is what killed him on the Rob Jackson INT

3) The Commanders were the better team on Thanksgiving, the better team in week 17 and going into this season will be the better team, in particular if Griffin is fully healthy. If not, I have full faith and confidence in Cousins with Alfred Morris behind him, and I have tons of confidence in the scheme, in particular the use of the pistol formation

Your player wasn't the only one at 50%. Ware was playing with basically no arms. He couldn't lift or push off with either one.


You may have fielded a week secondary, but we had essentially run out of Wrs the last game. Austin left both games early. Dez hurt his back early in the second game and didn't finish. In fact Romo had one healthy Wr at the end of the game. Had we won, there was talk that we wouldn't have enough healthy Wrs for the playoff game.

You weren't the only team with injury issues. We simply were ravaged last year in the middle of our defense. We lost Ratliff, Lee, Carter, Church, and numerous backups.

You all had the better team last year. This is a new year, however. We're better in quite a few areas: Wr, Te, DL, Lb, and Cb. An argument can be made for Qb. But of course, we will see.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

You are the one threatening to turn the NFL into hockey if your fragile QB gets sacked.

Because I clearly don't play in the NFL, nor do I have a job in the NFL, nor am I affiliated with any team besides being a fan

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Your player wasn't the only one at 50%. Ware was playing with basically no arms. He couldn't lift or push off with either one.


You may have fielded a week secondary, but we had essentially run out of Wrs the last game. Austin left both games early. Dez hurt his back early in the second game and didn't finish. In fact Romo had one healthy Wr at the end of the game. Had we won, there was talk that we wouldn't have enough healthy Wrs for the playoff game.

You weren't the only team with injury issues. We simply were ravaged last year in the middle of our defense. We lost Ratliff, Lee, Carter, Church, and numerous backups.

You all had the better team last year. This is a new year, however. We're better in quite a few areas: Wr, Te, DL, Lb, and Cb. An argument can be made for Qb. But of course, we will see.

Both teams were very injured going into the week 17 game

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2013/2012-adjusted-games-lost

In fact the AGL ranks were right next to each other, with the Cowboys being slightly more healthy then the Commanders in the "adjusted games loss" rank. So lets throw out the "we were injured" canard that most Cowboy fans here want to throw out. Both teams came into the game essentially at equal health.

As for talent, we have been hearing for years how talented the Cowboys are, and its produced nothing but 8-8. Shanahan has done a great job of not only improving the roster, making it younger, but also making it a complete team. Which is why in a division championship game, our QB can get away with throwing for 100 yards yet we still get the 10 point win.

Your team is "talented" yet its core is aging. Its future core is constantly injured (Lee/Murray/Carter), one part of that future core thus far has been mixed (Tyron) and there is one bonafide superstar who didn't show up in the most important game of the season (Bryant). And the scheme on D is changing.

Going back to the entire premise of this thread, it is clear that the "we are going to beat up the QB approach" won't fly as much as fans would love to have it work, and in part because of clarifications the Commanders/49ers/Seahawks/Panthers are getting in training camp.

If Griffin knows in July what he can and can't do, that makes his job easier when he is on the field. Make it obvious he doesn't have the ball, and DE's can't touch him without drawing a flag.