Redsk*ns ask refs how to protect RGIII

[khiladi]

Looks like they're expecting open season on RGIII outside his pocket, too.

I love how they try and make it about an 'unbelievable' talent, as if Cunningham wasn't an unbelievable talent. Cunningham could easily chuck the ball 70 yards.

The reality is, what they are asking for is re-defining the rules of the game to make it easier for their style of play to succeed in the NFL. It's not adjusting to the talent, it's making it easier for a certain type of player that wasn't afforded that luxury in the past. It's like people talking about how explosive the NFL has become offensively. In reality, it's because of the rules related to NFL defenders not being allowed to touch WRs that has contributed to this more 'explosive' game. A lot of these offenses wouldn't work well in the past, precisely because of the rules. The "Run and Shoot" and 4-5 WR sets never worked back then, while it's a consistent staple of many offenses now.

 

[khiladi]

That's 4 major injuries in almost 40 years of quarterbacking. RG3 has 1 major injury in 1 year. I like him. I really do. But the guy simply is not going to survive a long NFL career if something doesn't change.

And Palmer's injury was a cheap shot.

 

[khiladi]

A one legged RG3 ran for over 10 yards a carry in the division championship game. .

And as soon as Seattle adjusted, in the 2nd quarter they totally shut RG3 down. Of course, Commanders fans will attribute it to injury, but RG3 was just as injured in the first when he was 'lighting Seattle' up.

 

[khiladi]

You have THAT much confidence in your O-Line to stop blitzes? Really?

I have more confidence in Cousins w/Shanahan at the controls than I do in the Cowboys O-Line neutralizing disguised blitzes.

For one, Garrett isn't the OC now. And second, Frederik may be getting the start at Center, considering he was last night, and, hopefully, we've filled our gaping hole with him. He's not an idiot, and we've tended to drift on the idiot side on the OL for awhile now.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

One good season and you turn into the biggest smacktalker of almost troll like preportions. LOL Keep it up though, makes for a epic fall.

lol.

Pointing out flaws in the Cowboys is not "trolling" and neither is a compare/contrast of the squads. If you can't handle that perhaps message boards isn't a place you should spend your free time

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

And as soon as Seattle adjusted, in the 2nd quarter they totally shut RG3 down. Of course, Commanders fans will attribute it to injury, but RG3 was just as injured in the first when he was 'lighting Seattle' up.

The adjustment was the Seahawks no longer needed to worry about the run threat from Griffin (which happened right before his 2nd TD pass where his helmet flew off)

Seattle could play man to man and focus on Morris. The first 2 drives Seattle was playing zone (which they were awful at) because they wanted to keep eyes in the backfield from the secondary on Griffin.

Once his threat, and more specifically his accuracy (which Aikman alluded to several times throughout the game) were gone, the Commanders O was finished.

A perfectly healthy Griffin, the Commanders continue to run away from the Seahawks the rest of the game. Seattle was unable to actually take the lead until the 4th quarter.

Which brings us back again to the original discussion. Having clarified what Griffin needs to do in the eyes of the refs to avoid unnecessary shots is a major factor in him being healthy. It sounds like on option plays he needs to do what he did last season, throw his hands up in the air essentially saying "I don't have the ball" and he will be ok. If he continues to run the fake, making it appear he has the ball, he puts himself at risk of taking an unnecessary shot

 

[khiladi]

Yet, he was running for 10 YPC in the division championship game. So he was a running threat when it's convenient to the argument, but it suddenly disappears when it isn't. He was doing some magic the first quarter against Seattle, when it's convenient to the argument, then injuries are the excuse when he gets shut down the rest of the game, going scoreless. BTW, RG3 dropped n the 4th quarter.

Also, let's not talk about how Seattle in the first afforded the Commanders, on the second drive field possession at the 46 yard line. Hell, Seattle's first drive was horrendouns, with a 3 and out.
Seattle started getting in the back-field the second quarter. They forced a fumble and Morris still ran twice to get a 3rd and 2 and RG3 couldn't complete a 2 yd pass. The very next drive RG3 threw an INT on the second play. Seattle then proceeded to get in the backfield the rest of the game.

Logic actually dictates that Seattle was caught off guard and had nerves, settled down in the beginning of the second, began to man-handle the Commanders and proceed to whoop up on them. That's what better teams simply do.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yet, he was running for 10 YPC in the division championship game. So he was a running threat when it's convenient to the argument, but it suddenly disappears when it isn't. He was doing some magic the first quarter against Seattle, when it's convenient to the argument, then injuries are the excuses when he gets shut down the rest of the game, going scoreless the rest of the game. Also, let's not talk about how Seattle in the first afforded the Commanders, on the second rive field possession at the 46 yard line. RG3 dropped inthe 4th quarter, not the first.

I have watched the entire game 5 times.

On 2nd down at the goal line, right before Griffin's 2nd TD pass, is where he "re-tweaked" his knee and when he should have come out of the game. He was able to muscle a TD pass on 3rd down for 7 yards, but it was clear he was shot. You hear Aikman and Buck talk about it after that TD.

Seattle started getting in the back-field the second quarter. They forced a fumble and Morris still ran twice to get a 3rd and 2 and RG3 couldn't complete a 2 yd pass. The very next drive RG3 threw an INT on the second play.

What was the adjustment Seattle made to slow the Commanders O down? Was it RG3 badly underthrowing a wide open Pierre Garcon, who would have house'd it had Griffin had any leg power at that point? Or was it Griffin missing easy passes across the middle on 3rd and 5 in the 3rd quarter when Josh Morgan had Richard Sherman clearly beat for a first down and then some?

 

[khiladi]

Ah yes, the knee bothered RG3 when he threw a 40 yard pass that gets intercepted after more than five minutes of rest from a time consuming drive by Seattle, because you supposedly saw it. I guess that was the knee at fault, chucking a ball like that, right? I mean the knee was at fault again, for that next drive as well by Seattle on offense which ended in a TD score, after the previous drive was a time-consuming one that ended in a 3.

I mean the knee was at fault when RG3 gets sacked and a loss for 2 on the very next drive as well. I guess he could have avoided that if his knee was good. So I guess the knee was at fault when RG3 couldn't hit on the next play as well for a small pass play?

Let's conveniently forget the fact that Seattle had a miserable first drive following it up with a horrible play on special teams, affording the Commanders starting position at their own 46.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Ah yes, the knee bothered RG3 when he threw a 40 yard pass that gets intercepted after more than five minutes of rest from a time consuming drive by Seattle, because you supposedly saw it. I guess that was the knee at fault, chucking a ball like that, right? I mean the knee was at fault again, for that next drive as well by Seattle on offense which ended in a TD score, after the previous drive was a time-consuming one that ended in a 3.

I mean the knee was at fault when RG3 gets sacked and a loss for 2 on the very next drive as well. I guess he could have avoided that if his knee was good. So I guess the knee was at fault when RG3 couldn't hit on the next play as well for a small pass play?

Let's conveniently forget the fact that Seattle had a miserable first drive following it up with a horrible play on special teams, affording the Commanders starting time of 46.

So again, what was the D adjustment Seattle made? Suddenly passes that RG3 has been completing in his sleep all season are being underthrown or thrown wide.

You clearly don't understand QB mechanics, nor recall the game correctly (as you seem to think Alfred Morris fumbled the ball at some point in the game)

 

[khiladi]

Ironically, I never remember him throwing over 300 yards a game as demonstration of some type of 'reality' he was making passes all season long, but just couldn't against a Seattle team that was clearly one of the best defensive teams in the NFL. I mean that makes more sense then Seattle just settling down and proceeding to whoop up on the Commanders all day long after the first.

I mean I guess RG3 got injured in the previous game, so that his knee wasn't tested... Wait, he was injured before that, yet nobody was complaining about his knees getting tweaked....

You do realize the first first play for the Commanders offense in the second quarter, Seattle got in te backfield and forced a fumble, yet the Commanders got away with an illegal contact. They had 3 more chances and Morris gave RG3 2 yards to work with... He simply didn't get the job done, because Seattle was clearly better... Hell, I think it was "Beast Mode" who fumbled once when right aboout to score.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Ironically, I never remember him throwing over 300 yards a game as demonstration of some type of 'reality' he was making passes all season long, but just couldn't against a Seattle team that was clearly one of the best defensive teams in the NFL. I mean that makes more sense then Seattle just settling down and proceeding to whoop up on the Commanders all day long after the first..

You don't remember Thanksgiving at all?

A funny thing also, Seattle slowly creeped back in the game. With 7:30 left in the 4th quarter the Commanders were still winning the game. Hardly Seattle "whooping up" on the Commanders

I mean I guess RG3 got injured in the previous game, so that his knee wasn't tested... Wait, he was injured before that, yet nobody was complaining about his knees getting tweaked....

Again you either clearly didn't watch the game or are simply not that smart. I have identified for you 3 times in this thread where RG3 tweaked the knee again and at what point he should have been taken out.

Commanders 2nd drive, 2nd and goal. Griffin rolls out to his right, throws a pass into the endzone incomplete. His foot on that play awkwardly gets caught on the turf and his bulky brace torques the knee. From that point forward, as Troy Aikman and Joe Buck consistently talked about the rest of the game, Griffin was ineffective. That was the point he should have been taken out.

You do realize the first first play for the Commanders offense in the second quarter, Seattle got in te backfield and forced a fumble, yet the Commanders got away with an illegal contact. They had 3 more chances and Morris gave RG3 2 yards to work with...

Seattle committed the illegal contact, the Commanders "didn't get away" with an illegal contact.

Do you even watch football or understand the rules?

 

[khiladi]

You don't remember Thanksgiving at all?

What does that have anything to do with this subject? That's like me saying the Cowboys beat the Commanders in their 1-15 season.

A funny thing also, Seattle slowly creeped back in the game. With 7:30 left in the 4th quarter the Commanders were still winning the game. Hardly Seattle "whooping up" on the Commanders

We are talking about offense here, you know, because the subject is RG3 and the Commanders offense. You do realize Lynch fumbled the very first drive of the second half, at the Commanders one. The next drive, they got into Commanders territory in the Washington 28. Let's not act like Seattle shooting themselves in the foot somehow makes your argument any stronger. In fact, it's even more tetsimony to the argument that despite all the mistakes that Seattle had, they still dominated.

Again you either clearly didn't watch the game or are simply not that smart. I have identified for you 3 times in this thread where RG3 tweaked the knee again and at what point he should have been taken out.

That's a purely subjective statement that isn't measurable at all. The very next drive, he was sacked and had a fumble. That had no bearing on his knee. He couldn't throw a 2 yard pass, after Morris had run for nine yards, meaning the threat of run was clearly still present. And the next drive, he sailed a 40 yard ball that was INT on the very next play after Morris ran the ball, unless your going to tell me if his knee was better, it would have been a more accurate pass. They passed off threat of the run, yet Seattle still had it under control.

Commanders 2nd drive, 2nd and goal. Griffin rolls out to his right, throws a pass into the endzone incomplete. His foot on that play awkwardly gets caught on the turf and his bulky brace torques the knee. From that point forward, as Troy Aikman and Joe Buck consistently talked about the rest of the game, Griffin was ineffective. That was the point he should have been taken out.

And I'm saying that utter BS, based upon some subjective claim that isn't established at all by the following evidence. Seattle then started controlling the ball offensively, RG3 on the next play got hammered in the backfield, and it had nothing to do with his knee. Morris then ran 9 yards on two plays, meaning the threat of run was still there. And Seattle again, started consuming timeoffensively, meaning they established a clear rhythm and their team settled down.

Seattle committed the illegal contact, the Commanders "didn't get away" with an illegal contact.

I think it's quite obvious what was meant. RG3 can muscle a 7 yard pass, but can't muscle a 2 yard pass after Morris runs for nine yards. What part of Seattle getting in the backfield don't you understand?

Do you even watch football or understand the rules?

Wow, just wow...

 

[khiladi]

I mean look at your argument..

You argue that Seattle changed from zone to man, the latter being what they normally play, because they feared the threat of run from RG3. Even you admit you that they were awful at it and they normally don't play it. Yet, your saying in the same breath, the Commanders were successful offensively soleley because of RG3 and him not being injured, not a defense they normally don't play and not Seattle adjusting.

Your whole argument is predicated on the fact that they switched to man, because they somehow knew RG3 was injured knowing he tweaked his knee. It assumes they switched back to a defense they normally played, not because it wasn't working, but because RG3 hurt his knee.

It's comical...

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

What does that have anything to do with this subject? That's like me saying the Cowboys beat the Commanders in their 1-15 season.

This was in response to your foolish claim that Griffin never threw for 300 yards in a game

Ironically, I never remember him throwing over 300 yards a game as demonstration of some type of 'reality' he was making passes all season long, but just couldn't against a Seattle team that was clearly one of the best defensive teams in the NFL.

That's a purely subjective statement that isn't measurable at all. The very next drive, he was sacked and had a fumble. That had no bearing on his knee. He couldn't throw a 2 yard pass, after Morris had run for nine yards, meaning the threat of run was clearly still present. And the next drive, he sailed a 40 yard ball that was INT on the very next play after Morris ran the ball, unless your going to tell me if his knee was better, it would have been a more accurate pass. They passed off threat of the run, yet Seattle still had it under control.

How on earth is it "subjective" when the evidence is clear that the knee had been re-injured on that play. The play itself and the fact that Griffin struggled to walk back to the huddle and no longer was able to complete easy passes which he had all season long to that point. This is identified frequently by a HOF QB, Troy Aikman, throughout the rest of the broadcast. I will certainly take Aikman's word, a QB who played in the NFL and won Superbowls, over your word.

If you are unable to grasp this point, discussing the game with you further is irrelevant.

 

[khiladi]

So Aikman's subjective opinion from the booth is evidence of Seattle's knowledge of RG3 being hurt and his not being able to play? Let us assume that for the sake of the argument that Troy was right and the knee bothered him during the game. So please point me to a statement from Troy Aikman of RGs knee bothering him is what affected that 2 yard incomplete pass or that Troy Aikman believed the Commanders would have won that game if RG3 was healthy and that Troy Akimna believed that Seattle's winning had nothing to do with good football?

I mean this is without even getting into the RG3 homerism of the sports broadcasters that was last year.

When did RG3 ever throw for over 300 yards a game? In fact, how many times did he not break 200 that in this game, he was sailing passes he normally makes?

 

[sacase]

lol.

Pointing out flaws in the Cowboys is not "trolling" and neither is a compare/contrast of the squads. If you can't handle that perhaps message boards isn't a place you should spend your free time

Yeah, you are went from contributor to troll. Someone needs to give you a break from here.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I mean look at your argument..

You argue that Seattle changed from zone to man, the latter being what they normally play, because they feared the threat of run from RG3. Even you admit you that they were awful at it and they normally don't play it. Yet, your saying in the same breath, the Commanders were successful offensively soleley because of RG3 and him not being injured, not a defense they normally don't play and not Seattle adjusting.

Your whole argument is predicated on the fact that they switched to man, because they somehow knew RG3 was injured knowing he tweaked his knee. It assumes they switched back to a defense they normally played, not because it wasn't working, but because RG3 hurt his knee.

It's comical...

http://seattletimes.com/html/stevekelley/2020075510_kelley07.html

Seahawks could tell Robert Griffin III wasn't right and took full advantage

Money quotes from the Seahawks players

"When we saw him running, we saw that this guy's not 100 percent," Wright said. "We made sure right then that we were going to start keying on their running back (Alfred Morris) and try to make him (Griffin) run."

"You could see him hobbling today. He couldn't really run the ball," McDonald said. "He didn't have that full stride like he usually has. We kind of knew what was going on."

On first-and-goal on Washington's second touchdown drive, Griffin rolled right and seemed to pull up in pain as he threw an incompletion. Two plays later, after he threw a 4-yard touchdown pass to tight end Logan Paulsen, Griffin walked slowly to the sideline, practically dragging his right leg.

By the second quarter, it was apparent he had lost confidence in his plant leg. Most of his throws were high. Late in the first half, ahead 14-10, he tried to throw long, but hung a pass intended for Pierre Garcon and Seahawks safety Earl Thomas intercepted it.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yeah, you are went from contributor to troll. Someone needs to give you a break from here.

How about you actually try and refute what I said with facts like idgit was doing and we have a discussion as opposed to "waaah he is a troll because he says my team isn't that good"

Idgit and I were having a pretty reasonable discussion

 

[khiladi]

http://seattletimes.com/html/stevekelley/2020075510_kelley07.html

Now please, go have a seat with the children

Is that Troy Aikman?

"When we saw him running, we saw that this guy's not 100 percent," Wright said. "We made sure right then that we were going to start keying on their running back (Alfred Morris) and TRY TO MAKE HIM (GRIFFITH) RUN."


"In the playoffs, you don't give anybody anything," cornerback Richard Sherman said. "It's a 16-game season. Everybody's banged up."

According to Richard Sherman, it's just an excuse.

So let's get back to actual analysis of football. You claimed that they switched to man when they saw RG3 got hurt, because they went zone feeling threatened by RG3's ability to run. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? They keyed in on Morris on the very first drive yet Morris got 8 yards on a third and two. How did that impact RGs running? On the next drive, RG3 threw 40 yards downfield, meaning they gave RG3 time to throw. How is that forcing RG3 time to run?

So when exactly did they realize this?