Twitter: Ref Tony Corrente on the OPI on Michael Gallup

[Established1971]

Bro when Chris Collinsworth himself says it's a bad call..yikes

Dallas and LA got a way with a few, I felt that it was a piss poor game called, all around.

OPI and holding don't get anywhere near as much attention if the game isn't on the line though.

I heard Collinsworth say he agreed with the call

 

[TruBluSince1982]

It was a good call. Shoulda went for 3

 

[MarcusRock]

That is after Ramsey had his arm pinned. Post the whole play not just the part that makes you right.,

I worked with the GIF the OP posted. I posted my video in Post #175. Here it is again. Where is the arm bar? Where's the pin? It's just hand-fighting. Everyone agrees that's fine. Gallup even grabbed a part of Ramsey's jersey early on and the back official let it go. But then Gallup pushes off to get separation. That's where I stop the video to highlight the push and before Ramsey's acting job. Ramsey is leaning in and then Gallup's push straightens him up. It had an effect. The side picture shows an arm extended which people also said didn't happen. It did. Debatable call, I'd agree, but there's enough there to call and Gallup gave them a lane to do so.

 

[Sydla]

Calls like that get missed a lot in games. Ramsey sold it well and got the call.

 

[glimmerman]

They could have easily let that go. Hand checking all night. The cb was beat. He flopped. If they reviewed it he was arm was being messed with all so. Figures they call it on us. Lol. Sad thing is that Gallop didn’t need to put the hand back there at all.

 

[phildadon86]

I worked with the GIF the OP posted. I posted my video in Post #175. Here it is again. Where is the arm bar? Where's the pin? It's just hand-fighting. Everyone agrees that's fine. Gallup even grabbed a part of Ramsey's jersey early on and the back official let it go. But then Gallup pushes off to get separation. That's where I stop the video to highlight the push and before Ramsey's acting job. Ramsey is leaning in and then Gallup's push straightens him up. It had an effect. The side picture shows an arm extended which people also said didn't happen. It did. Debatable call, I'd agree, but there's enough there to call and Gallup gave them a lane to do so.

Agreed. But when this happens in other games its rarely called. Even Rex Ryan said so. Ill take the opinion of coaches over anything else. It is what it is. Its not why we lost. lol

 

[MarcusRock]

They could have easily let that go. Hand checking all night. The cb was beat. He flopped. If they reviewed it he was arm was being messed with all so. Figures they call it on us. Lol. Sad thing is that Gallop didn’t need to put the hand back there at all.

And this was my point from way back. If Ramsey was beat like everyone said then the push-off wasn't necessary. Just swim move to get your hand on top again like Ramsey did and then you're in position to make the grab. But Ramsey wasn't that beat so Gallup determined that he needed to push-off to make the catch and got caught.

 

[DogFace]

Same thing what if there was PI on the Gallop play but the ref's didn't call it? As for the int the play had an effect on the INT Goff was hit just as he thru the ball good play except for the hit to the head that was missed



go to the 8:30 mark

If the refs miss it it’s not as egregious, to me, as calling one that wasn’t there or very close. There’s an argument to be made that he was arm barring and holding Gallup. Certainly, at the end of the game it’s worse to make a call like that.

Missing a hands to the helmet, which as others have pointed out, happened to Dak twice earlier in the game is something that happens often.


That’s not a great view. I thought he hit his arm first.

Anyway. You said that we won “many” games in the Dak era from bad calls. Let’s move on to one more conclusive or at least another one.

I don’t think that statement was accurate.

 

[MarcusRock]

Agreed. But when this happens in other games its rarely called. Even Rex Ryan said so. Ill take the opinion of coaches over anything else. It is what it is. Its not why we lost. lol

Sure, NOW we take the coaches' opinions but if he said the opposite then he'd be a "hater" and part of the media we shouldn't listen to. Same as the other guy in this thread touting the NBC replay guy's opinion and Chris Collinsworth who they all hate, lol. The Fox replay guy Pereira said the 2014 Dez no-catch wasn't a catch before it was announced and then was called a co-conspirator with Blandino, lol.

This is why I like debating plain video. There's no need to appeal to anyone, just tell what you see. It's just funny to me how even then people will put their favorable spin on it and defy reality. There's one here that says Gallup didn't touch Ramsey in the chest/shoulder area at all, lol.

 

[phildadon86]

Sure, NOW we take the coaches' opinions but if he said the opposite then he'd be a "hater" and part of the media we shouldn't listen to. Same as the other guy in this thread touting the NBC replay guy's opinion and Chris Collinsworth who they all hate, lol. The Fox replay guy Pereira said the 2014 Dez no-catch wasn't a catch before it was announced and then was called a co-conspirator with Blandino, lol.

This is why I like debating plain video. There's no need to appeal to anyone, just tell what you see. It's just funny to me how even then people will put their favorable spin on it and defy reality. There's one here that says Gallup didn't touch Ramsey in the chest/shoulder area at all, lol.

Yeah thats bogus lol

 

[Jdenzo]

Do you get a lot of push using the back of your hand? Really? If you're going to push off something/someone behind you, while running in the opposite direction... How much force is the back of your hand going to give you?

Now, It's not the reason we lost, but I'm not going to white wash crap calls by weak minded, out-of-position referees. They screwed up, period.

And this was my point from way back. If Ramsey was beat like everyone said then the push-off wasn't necessary. Just swim move to get your hand on top again like Ramsey did and then you're in position to make the grab. But Ramsey wasn't that beat so Gallup determined that he needed to push-off to make the catch and got caught.

 

[MarcusRock]

Do you get a lot of push using the back of your hand? Really? If you're going to push off something/someone behind you, while running in the opposite direction... How much force is the back of your hand going to give you?

Now, It's not the reason we lost, but I'm not going to white wash crap calls by weak minded, out-of-position referees. They screwed up, period.

Did you see the video and photo I posted? Gallup clearly pushed off and clearly extended his arm to do so. The official in the photo is looking right at it and the other official on the sideline who threw the flag saw it and Corrente described it as the video and photo show. You don't need a lot of force to knock someone off stride but the video shows Ramsey leaning in and then being stood up by Gallup's push. Are you saying that Gallup didn't push right before the video stops?

 

[glimmerman]

And this was my point from way back. If Ramsey was beat like everyone said then the push-off wasn't necessary. Just swim move to get your hand on top again like Ramsey did and then you're in position to make the grab. But Ramsey wasn't that beat so Gallup determined that he needed to push-off to make the catch and got caught.

Gallup could have made the catch without and hand checking. The pass was on the money. If anything he possibly could have gotten a PI on ramsey for perhaps a early grab or something. But these guys have been checking all night. Dak took a slap to the head and so did goff. They let them play all night and even picked a flag up during the game.

 

[Vtwin]

Has anyone mentioned the OPI called on the Giants in the second quarter last night? Very similar. Very light contact to create space just as the ball arrived. In both cases the push may have been subtle but it did occur. It doesn't take much to knock a guy off balance when he is actively engaged in an athletic maneuver.

 

[Cap12]

I worked with the GIF the OP posted. I posted my video in Post #175. Here it is again. Where is the arm bar? Where's the pin? It's just hand-fighting. Everyone agrees that's fine. Gallup even grabbed a part of Ramsey's jersey early on and the back official let it go. But then Gallup pushes off to get separation. That's where I stop the video to highlight the push and before Ramsey's acting job. Ramsey is leaning in and then Gallup's push straightens him up. It had an effect. The side picture shows an arm extended which people also said didn't happen. It did. Debatable call, I'd agree, but there's enough there to call and Gallup gave them a lane to do so.

Look at the part where Ramsey's arm is bent at the elbow while his hand is on Gallup's shoulder. Gallup's arm is in between the bend of Ramsey's arm (which Ramsey is attempting to use to pin Gallup's arm, using his hand on Gallup's shoulder as leverage). Again, you're not looking at what Ramsey is doing. To me, it's more a "pin" than an armbar. Either way, Gallup has the right to free his arm.

 

[Cap12]

Gallup could have made the catch without and hand checking. The pass was on the money. If anything he possibly could have gotten a PI on ramsey for perhaps a early grab or something. But these guys have been checking all night. Dak took a slap to the head and so did goff. They let them play all night and even picked a flag up during the game.

If Gallup had allowed Ramsey to pin his arm he could not have gotten it in position to make the catch (unless he made a one-handed circus catch).

 

[MarcusRock]

Look at the part where Ramsey's arm is bent at the elbow while his hand is on Gallup's shoulder. Gallup's arm is in between the bend of Ramsey's arm (which Ramsey is attempting to use to pin Gallup's arm, using his hand on Gallup's shoulder as leverage). Again, you're not looking at what Ramsey is doing. To me, it's more a "pin" than an armbar. Either way, Gallup has the right to free his arm.

How is Gallup's arm pinned if he's able to push off and free himself so easily? Neither did he try to move it anywhere else and was restricted from doing so. He put his hand in Ramsey's chest, kept it there, and easily moved it again when he pushed off. Where's the pin if Gallup was able to move his hand around at will? Ramsey reacted to Gallup having a hand in his chest first. You're stretching.

 

[Cap12]

How is Gallup's arm pinned if he's able to push off and free himself so easily? Neither did he try to move it anywhere else and was restricted from doing so. He put his hand in Ramsey's chest, kept it there, and easily moved it again when he pushed off. Where's the pin if Gallup was able to move his hand around at will? Ramsey reacted to Gallup having a hand in his chest first. You're stretching.

What is Ramsey's hand doing on Gallup's shoulder? Why is he trying to trap Gallups' arm? Are you telling me that Ramsey had a right to grab Gallup's shoulder? You can't see that their arms are locked up?

 

[Verdict]

Refs are going to miss calls. The hands to the face committed by the Cowboys that was not called was an example. But the Rams blocked in the back all night long and it was almost never called even when it was at the point of attack. That is going to happen in a gane.

The bogus OPI call is different. It wasn’t a missed call in terms of it wasn’t seen. It was missed in that they saw it and called it the other way. Does anyone doubt that if it’s a Cowboys DB on a Rams received that it’s called DPI?

That should have been a no call.

 

[Kaiser]

What is Ramsey's hand doing on Gallup's shoulder? Why is he trying to trap Gallups' arm? Are you telling me that Ramsey had a right to grab Gallup's shoulder? You can't see that their arms are locked up?

You can see why this is just schtick on his part. He has done it for years. If Ramsey is allowed to make that kind of contact but Gallup isn't, it means OPI should be called on at least two WRs on every pass play in the NFL.