Refs Admit Mistake(s)... Found on ESPNDallas and not ESPN

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I wonder whyyyyyyyyy

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4658671

Two challenges at center of miscues


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By Calvin Watkins
ESPNDallas.com
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GREEN BAY, Wisc. -- NFL officials admitted to one officiating mistake and appeared to commit another in Sunday's Dallas Cowboys-Green Bay Packers game.
The first occurred with the Cowboys trailing 10-0 in the fourth quarter. Packers cornerback Charles Woodson forced a fumble on a corner blitz when he sacked Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo. When the ball popped loose, running back Felix Jones appeared to recover near the Cowboys' 20, but Packers defensive end Johnny Jolly dove on top of Jones, forcing the ball to come loose again. Linebacker Clay Matthews scooped the ball and was pushed out of bounds by tight end Jason Witten at the Cowboys' 3 with 11:41 to play.
Cowboys coach Wade Phillips challenged, saying Jones recovered and didn't lose the ball. After about a two-minute pause in play, referee Jeff Triplette said the fumble couldn't be challenged. He admitted that the crew wasted time starting the review process when they shouldn't have.
"They said because they ruled it a fumble all the way through, that I couldn't challenge it even though we recovered the ball and our guy was touched and he knew the guy was down," Phillips said.
Triplette said to a pool reporter after the game. "My mistake, that's not a reviewable aspect of a play. A recovery of a loose ball in the field of play is not reviewable by rule. So we just couldn't review it."
Triplette said he never actually got a chance to review the play because he and other officials began talking about whether the play was reviewable.
"We never got in the booth to review," he said. "Just put the headphones on and starting talking through what we had."
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says he understands why the rule doesn't allow for review of possession of fumbles, but that there should be room for exceptions.
"I know why they have it because so many times there are piles and scrums so it gets really hard to see," Jones said. "But that wasn't a play out in the middle of the field where you'd have a scrum."
The other apparent mistake by the crew occurred with 6:29 to play in the fourth quarter. Cowboys wide receiver Patrick Crayton made a diving catch for 14 yards. The Packers challenged the catch, but after another delay in play, Triplette said Green Bay didn't have any more challenges left.
According to the NFL rule book, Rule 15, Section 9, "For initiating a challenge when all of a team's timeouts have been exhausted or when all of its available challenges have been used: Loss of 15 yards."
But the referees allowed play to continue without penalizing the Packers, who had used up all their challenges.
"I have to ask the league," about the call, Phillips said. "We don't have any challenges left and you challenge and stop the game. It kind of helps you regroup. I thought it was at least a delay of the game, but it wasn't."
If the penalty is called, it would have moved the Cowboys from the Packers' 29 to the 14. The Cowboys were turned away on that drive when Romo threw an interception at the goal line with 5:53 remaining and Dallas trailing, 17-0.
The Cowboys would go on to lose 17-7.
Calvin Watkins covers the Dallas Cowboys for ESPNDallas.com. E-mail him at calvin.watkins@espn3.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
 

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I wonder how much wins does "I'm sorry" give us.

NFL needs fulltime refs not fans reffing.

My confusion about the loss is quickly turning into anger.
 

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The first mistake, and even reviewed was the McBriar forced fumble!
 

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Whether a play is reviewable or not, don't the officials have the option of changing a call that they know is bad? The implication is that they knew that Felix was down by contact, but since it isn't reviewable, they didn't review it. Why not just change it to the correct call since they knew it was wrong?
 

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aikemirv;3082752 said:
The first mistake, and even reviewed was the McBriar forced fumble!
Yep. McBriar got all ball on that play and the player was never touched, so he was never down. I hate losing games like these. I wish we had won as a way of giving those refs the finger.
 

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Whether the call should have been replayed is meaningless. Heck, it's less than meaningless. The entire problem rests in the fact that an N-F-L referee called it a fumble in the first place.

Forget about all the other scenarios floating around the other calls. Those are debatable. This call was as simplistic as can be made while being observed in REAL TIME by an official.

ALL of the other calls (no matter how questionable) can be utterly excused in my book. That particular call should get someone or some folks booted out of the league.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3082753 said:
Whether a play is reviewable or not, don't the officials have the option of changing a call that they know is bad? The implication is that they knew that Felix was down by contact, but since it isn't reviewable, they didn't review it. Why not just change it to the correct call since they knew it was wrong?

They can't do that. They did that crap last year with the Hockley, Chargers and Bronco's game. The ruled the play dead so the Chargers got screwed out of the W. But what I don't understand is that they didn't stop play so why is Felix landing on top of the ball not reviewable? They didn't stop play. I understand its a rule but goodness. They were so incompetent last night I don't even know if they knew what city they were in.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3082766 said:
Yep. McBriar got all ball on that play and the player was never touched, so he was never down. I hate losing games like these. I wish we had won as a way of giving those refs the finger.

I'm pretty sure if you touch the ball when a player is down that it is down by contact. Otherwise this would mean a player, on his back but not otherwise touched could have the ball ripped out and it called a fumble. That was unfortunate but the correct call.
 

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First off, the fumble recovery should be reviewable. The excuse given is crap since the review rule states, "If the video isn't conclusive, the ruling on the field stands".

So, that stated, if there is a big scrum on the field and they can't clearly determine who recovered the ball, then the play stands as called. What occurred on the field was easily visible on camera and therefore a load of ****!
 

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AbeBeta;3082787 said:
I'm pretty sure if you touch the ball when a player is down that it is down by contact. Otherwise this would mean a player, on his back but not otherwise touched could have the ball ripped out and it called a fumble. That was unfortunate but the correct call.

No, it wasn't. The runner went to the ground on his own. This is not college. His knee was not on the ground when Mcbriar poked it out and thus IS a fumble. If his knee was on the ground the referes call would have been correct assuming McBriar touched the player BEFORE the ball which was not even conclusive.

What was conclusive is that when McBriar hit him his Knee WAS NOT on the ground

FUMBLE!
 

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Boyzmamacita;3082766 said:
Yep. McBriar got all ball on that play and the player was never touched, so he was never down. I hate losing games like these. I wish we had won as a way of giving those refs the finger.


That's what i was wondering. Is the ball considerd part of the down player if touched, because McBriar it appeared got all ball?
 

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Those idiots, how the hell is Wade gonna come on and say "Oh shucks, I thought it was a delay of game." when during the actual call NO ONE made a big issue out of it. They just went on playing. I would have raised hell over that 15 yard penalty.

I'm willing to bet he didn't even learn it was supposed to be a penalty till after it was all said and done.
 

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Now admit to the hands to the face miscall.We were heavily favored to win hence everyone puts money on us. Refs blow game vegas wins. Parity continues in the WWE,NFL. The New Orleans Saints are rebuilding the city thanks to the NFL. NFL is a big monopoly. Ala Walmart.
 

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Boyzmamacita;3082766 said:
Yep. McBriar got all ball on that play and the player was never touched, so he was never down. I hate losing games like these. I wish we had won as a way of giving those refs the finger.

People need to stop this. Like I posted in several other threads, 1: The ball counts as the player when the player's knee is on the ground, ergo you cannot force a fumble in that instance because the second you touch the ball he is down, and 2: McBriar touched his helmet and forearm before touching the ball
 

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The30YardSlant;3082812 said:
Stop blaming the refs. Green Bay kicked our butts and made it look easy.

Like I said in another post. I know we played like crap but I still can complain about 2 totally blown calls.
 

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The30YardSlant;3082819 said:
People need to stop this. Like I posted in several other threads, 1: The ball counts as the player when the player's knee is on the ground, ergo you cannot force a fumble in that instance because the second you touch the ball he is down, and 2: McBriar touched his helmet and forearm before touching the ball

HIS KNEEE WAS NOT DOWN AT THAT TIME PERIOD!

His knee was down before that and was back up by the time McBriar hit him.
 
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