Reggie Bush, meet Mr. Roy Williams!

[Little Jr]

It's not possible - it's what's actually happens. Watch those safeties, you'll see them fooled by fakes, whiffing on tackles (Polamalu being the worst offender) and taking bad angles consistently. It's the NFL - the other guys are getting paid too. They're elite safeties because that happens to them less than everyone else, though. Because they are able to make up for that with game-changing picks, hits, and fumbles, while breaking up passes. You cannot find a more consistent performer than Roy Williams.

Ok!!!!!!!

 

[superpunk]

Ok!!!!!!!

Let me ask you this - you've got Terrell Owens in your sig. Is he not an elite player because he drops the ball so frequently? Nearly one in ten times, he is thrown the ball, and he drops it. Does this kill his status in your eyes?

 

[TRUTH87]

Let me ask you this - you've got Terrell Owens in your sig. Is he not an elite player because he drops the ball so frequently? Nearly one in ten times, he is thrown the ball, and he drops it. Does this kill his status in your eyes?

Good question, lets see wut he says.

 

[Little Jr]

Let me ask you this - you've got Terrell Owens in your sig. Is he not an elite player because he drops the ball so frequently? Nearly one in ten times, he is thrown the ball, and he drops it. Does this kill his status in your eyes?

Yes it does. You cant miss 3 for sure TD's and 3 or 4 crucial 3rd and 4th down completions and call youself elite. The only thing with Roy is I've been disappointed in him since his 2nd year. This is TO's worst year as far as missed balls. I do not consider RW horrible just not elite. I have a RW jersey. I have not wore it this year but I do have one. Just disappointed him. JMO. I know yours is different and that is fine. It possible for people to look at a player and come up with totally different opinion. I learned that when Q was our QB.

 

[Little Jr]

Good question, lets see wut he says.

Got your answer!!!!

 

[chinch]

lets just hope he can TACKLE and COVER first and foremost.

he was the invisible man yesterday after getting punk'd in the press by Plax.

Hoyte had about the only "big hit" i saw yesterday on the second INT and he was playing FB

 

[superpunk]

Yes it does. You cant miss 3 for sure TD's and 3 or 4 crucial 3rd and 4th down completions and call youself elite. The only thing with Roy is I've been disappointed in him since his 2nd year. This is TO's worst year as far as missed balls. I do not consider RW horrible just not elite. I have a RW jersey. I have not wore it this year but I do have one. Just disappointed him. JMO. I know yours is different and that is fine. It possible for people to look at a player and come up with totally different opinion. I learned that when Q was our QB.

So TO is near the top og the leauge (pretty much top 5) in nearly every statistical category for WRs, but because of the drops, he is no longer elite? You realize he has led the league in dropped balls many of his years in the league, yet is still considered by nearly everyone as one of the league's best, most dangerous receivers.

This year, Roy has given up 3 TDs, but is near the top of the NFL in turnovers. He's having a great year. You'd be hard-pressed to identify (with reasons) a safety having a better one. It is fine for you to have an opinion. But don't have it and have nothing to back it up. There is nothing you can say to take away Roy's elite status in relationship to the other safeties in the league. He is consistent - consistently fantastic. Every player has a game where they'll miss a few tackles and drop a few balls. The elite ones make up for it. That is why TO and Roy Williams are elite performers at their respective positions. They beat the competition much more than the competition beats them.

 

[Clove]

Have you all noticed that NY never does any type of slants or deep in's where Roy has an opportunity to lay someone out? Plax loves to talk his ****, but I don't see him running any casual slants and in's like TO does.

 

[Little Jr]

So TO is near the top og the leauge (pretty much top 5) in nearly every statistical category for WRs, but because of the drops, he is no longer elite? You realize he has led the league in dropped balls many of his years in the league, yet is still considered by nearly everyone as one of the league's best, most dangerous receivers.

This year, Roy has given up 3 TDs, but is near the top of the NFL in turnovers. He's having a great year. You'd be hard-pressed to identify (with reasons) a safety having a better one. It is fine for you to have an opinion. But don't have it and have nothing to back it up. There is nothing you can say to take away Roy's elite status in relationship to the other safeties in the league. He is consistent - consistently fantastic. Every player has a game where they'll miss a few tackles and drop a few balls. The elite ones make up for it. That is why TO and Roy Williams are elite performers at their respective positions. They beat the competition much more than the competition beats them.

Dont have an opinion unless I can back it up?lol!!!! I watch the game. That's my back up. I dont always go with the stats.


As far as TO. You said kill his status and I said yes and mis-spoke. It doesnt kill it but it does hurt it . He's never been known to have great hands but he's never had a year as bad as this. I'll give TO some lead way just because he's been elite for a while now. I never have thought RW was elite. Thought he would be after his rookie season and to me he's never really done anything to be labled elite. JMO!!!! JMO!!!!!JMO!!!!!


Look dude. Your not changing my opinion and I'm not changing yours. I have a opinion even though I dont have stats. I watch the game and form an opinion. I dont go to NFL.com and look up stats to form my opinon.

 

[BigDFan5]

Dont have an opinion unless I can back it up?lol!!!! I watch the game. That's my back up. I dont always go with the stats.


As far as TO. You said kill his status and I said yes and mis-spoke. It doesnt kill it but it does hurt it . He's never been known to have great hands but he's never had a year as bad as this. I'll give TO some lead way just because he's been elite for a while now. I never have thought RW was elite. Thought he would be after his rookie season and to me he's never really done anything to be labled elite. JMO!!!! JMO!!!!!JMO!!!!!


Look dude. Your not changing my opinion and I'm not changing yours. I have a opinion even though I dont have stats. I watch the game and form an opinion. I dont go to NFL.com and look up stats to form my opinon.

So you form your opinion based on watching the game, and yet you say roy is not elite, but also say based on watching that guys like Taylor and Hairy Polololololomo dont make more mistakes that roy? When you are watching the games are you looking at the TV?

 

[superpunk]

Dont have an opinion unless I can back it up?lol!!!! I watch the game. That's my back up. I dont always go with the stats.


As far as TO. You said kill his status and I said yes and mis-spoke. It doesnt kill it but it does hurt it . He's never been known to have great hands but he's never had a year as bad as this. I'll give TO some lead way just because he's been elite for a while now. I never have thought RW was elite. Thought he would be after his rookie season and to me he's never really dont anything to be labled elite. JMO!!!! JMO!!!!!JMO!!!!!


Look dude. Your not changing my opinion and I'm not changing yours. I have a opinion even though I dont have stats. I watch the game and form an opinion. I dont go to NFL.com and look up stats to form my opinon.

Neither do I. I watch the games - not just Roy, but the the other safeties I mentioned, and I watch them with the critical eye you appear to reserve for Roy Williams. They get beat, miss tackles, just as much as Roy. They don't make as many game-changing plays, they're not as intimidating over the middle, and they're just flat out not as good - any of them. Week in, and week out, Roy is the best safety in the NFL. The stats - and the performance on the field, bear that out. You're obviously watching with unrealistic expectiations, or a lack of knowledge of how the other "elite" safeties in the league perform week in and week out.

In any case, the people dissatisfied with Roy rarely have anything other thatn "what I see" or rare instances where he plays poorly to support their positions. When asked to identify times Roy has been bad, flat out beat, they struggle to come up with any. It's always "He's bad in coverage, he goes for the big hit, misses guys, tackles low and misses" all rehashed oveer and over again with no backup.

It being just your opinion is nice and all - it'd be nicer if the opinion mirrored reality, though.

JMO.

 

[AdamJT13]

Two on Tiki. Would you like me to tell you the exact play? I would have to watch the game again but one of them was in the back field on Tiki where he just took a horrible angle. One in the 4th qt on Tiki. If you need me to tell you the exact plays and what snap it was on what drive I will be more than happy to do it when I get home from work. I'll do you one better and name you more than 2.

OK, I'll wait.

 

[koolaid]

we should just cut roy and get it over with

 

[JPM]

we should just cut roy and get it over with

I'm still wondering why we signed him to a contract extension.....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's hard to punish someone when your avg. at coverage, take bad angles and whiff on tackles.

or

when you're back in deep coverage

or are forced to go one-on-one w/ a TE

 

[Chuck 54]

I think we have plenty of guys on defense who can tackle Reggie Bush...that said, I hope I never see him and Roy 1-1 in the open field because all homerism aside, it's unlikely Roy would get a hand on him.

Bush is a guy you can't let get started...once he's in the open field, he'll do a lot more damage than Tiki.