Removing The Outlier - QBs

[Doomsday101]

He throws an accurate ball and has a great arm. I think they just simply haven't asked him to be in a pass-first offense.

when teams contain him as Dallas did he was unable to do much and it is not as if we had a great pass rush or secondary. He is best when he is rolling out and has the option or run or pass. I like him but based on what I have seen he is limited when forced to work from the pocket.

 

[AdamJT13]

I'd be interested to see what each of those QBs worst games are. You could say that since Russel Wilson only moved by 4.7 points, for instance, that he is more consistent.

Yes, Russell Wilson is consistently worse.

Removing his two worst games doesn't change his ranking much because he had several other games that were just as bad -- his four worst ratings were 47.6, 53.7, 63.9 and 69.4. He also had a 77.5 and 81.9.

Romo's two worst games were a 53.7 and a 60.8. His next lowest was 93.5, and most of his games were 110 or better. He also set NFL records with seven games with a rating higher than 129 and six games higher than 135. (Not even counting his 143.6 in the playoffs.)

 

[perrykemp]

Yes, Russell Wilson is consistently worse.

Removing his two worst games doesn't change his ranking much because he had several other games that were just as bad -- his four worst ratings were 47.6, 53.7, 63.9 and 69.4. He also had a 77.5 and 81.9.

Romo's two worst games were a 53.7 and a 60.8. His next lowest was 93.5, and most of his games were 110 or better. He also set NFL records with seven games with a rating higher than 129 and six games higher than 135. (Not even counting his 143.6 in the playoffs.)

Wow. Amazing stats for Romo.

 

[ufcrules1]

Oh, I know. That's what the the thread was about. I just though Romo was going to run away with the league rating if you took out those two really bad games where his back was at issue, and then I looked and saw that Rodgers INTs were still a lot lower after the adjustment. He just takes care of the football.

Yes, he protects the ball amazingly well. I mean, even if you are a fantastic QB, linemen will tip the ball, it will bounce off your receivers hands, you will throw it to a spot and your receiver won't turn around quick enough, etc. All of that said, that dude still barely throws many int's. Also, he will take sacks over and over and protect the ball and not try to do too much..if his line isn't protecting well.... but then kill you at the end of the game when he gets his chance.

 

[ufcrules1]

Yes, Russell Wilson is consistently worse.

Removing his two worst games doesn't change his ranking much because he had several other games that were just as bad -- his four worst ratings were 47.6, 53.7, 63.9 and 69.4. He also had a 77.5 and 81.9.

Romo's two worst games were a 53.7 and a 60.8. His next lowest was 93.5, and most of his games were 110 or better. He also set NFL records with seven games with a rating higher than 129 and six games higher than 135. (Not even counting his 143.6 in the playoffs.)

Right.. but this was Romo's best year ever. Wilson is just getting started. I would take Wilson in a second right now over Romo.

 

[AdamJT13]

Right.. but this was Romo's best year ever. Wilson is just getting started. I would take Wilson in a second right now over Romo.

Good luck with that. As long as Romo is healthy, he's a much better quarterback.

 

[5Stars]

Right.. but this was Romo's best year ever. Wilson is just getting started. I would take Wilson in a second right now over Romo.

Of course you would. And it would be stupid thing to do at this time. Maybe after Romo retires and Wilson is ready to find a job as starting QB somewhere else, maybe he can come to Dallas.

 

[ufcrules1]

Good luck with that. As long as Romo is healthy, he's a much better quarterback.

You underestimate Wilson... and his legs. He is a very smart QB that can burn you in the air or on the ground. Seattle is a run first team and he plays within the system.. but when the system isn't working and they rely on him.. he can make the throws necessary to win big games. Romo on the other hand is one hit away from his career ending.

 

[AdamJT13]

You underestimate Wilson... and his legs. He is a very smart QB that can burn you in the air or on the ground. Seattle is a run first team and he plays within the system.. but when the system isn't working and they rely on him.. he can make the throws necessary to win big games. Romo on the other hand is one hit away from his career ending.

Every quarterback is one hit away from his career ending.

Wilson is a good runner and a decent passer who benefits from Seattle's system -- and greatly benefits from its defense. He's 2-9 in his career when he has to score more than 23 points to win -- and both of those wins came against teams that were 0-7 at the time. One was in overtime against the 0-7 Bucs, and the other was a six-point win over the 0-7 Raiders that was aided by a touchdown by the Seahawks' defense. Last season alone, Romo had four wins when he had to score more than 23 points.

As far as "making the throws necessary to win big games," Romo is the highest-rated fourth-quarter passer in NFL history. Over the past two seasons, he has a 110.1 rating in "Late & Close" game situations. Wilson's rating in those situations? A paltry 74.0.

Without Seattle's defense, Wilson is just another Colin Kaepernick.

If you'd choose Wilson because of Romo's age and health, then you'd also choose about 25 other quarterbacks for the same reason.

 

[perrykemp]

Good luck with that. As long as Romo is healthy, he's a much better quarterback.passer

Annotated it for you Adam. I think it's a important distinction.

I think Romo is a better overall QB, however, the 7 yards per carry to the tune of 849 yards (in 2014) while smartly typically running out of bounds has a huge impact, one that I am not willing to easily discount.

 

[burmafrd]

Yes, he protects the ball amazingly well. I mean, even if you are a fantastic QB, linemen will tip the ball, it will bounce off your receivers hands, you will throw it to a spot and your receiver won't turn around quick enough, etc. All of that said, that dude still barely throws many int's. Also, he will take sacks over and over and protect the ball and not try to do too much..if his line isn't protecting well.... but then kill you at the end of the game when he gets his chance.

I guess you missed the stat where Rodgers has one of the worst 4th quarter come from behind stats of any elite QB ever. But then anything to make ANY QB look better than Romo for the #1 Romo hater.

 

[perrykemp]

I guess you missed the stat where Rodgers has one of the worst 4th quarter come from behind stats of any elite QB ever. But then anything to make ANY QB look better than Romo for the #1 Romo hater.

He has only lost 17 games in the past half decade for an average of ~3.4 losses per season.

Sometimes the criticism of Rodger's 4th quarter stats feel like quibbling.

If he was much better in that category you'd reasonably expect them to be a 14-2 or 15-1 team every year. Their defense, sans the 2010 Superbowl season, has only been mediocre at best and absolutely hideous at times.

At the end of the day you are correct, it probably is the biggest gap in his game.

 

[AdamJT13]

He has only lost 17 games in the past half decade for an average of ~3.4 losses per season.

Sometimes the criticism of Rodger's 4th quarter stats feel like quibbling.

The criticism is that when the game is tight or they're behind late in games, most quarterbacks go for broke, trying to do everything they can to come back and win, while Rodgers instead plays it safe. That keeps his stats nice and neat, but it doesn't help his team win very often.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Every quarterback is one hit away from his career ending.

Wilson is a good runner and a decent passer who benefits from Seattle's system -- and greatly benefits from its defense. He's 2-9 in his career when he has to score more than 23 points to win -- and both of those wins came against teams that were 0-7 at the time. One was in overtime against the 0-7 Bucs, and the other was a six-point win over the 0-7 Raiders that was aided by a touchdown by the Seahawks' defense. Last season alone, Romo had four wins when he had to score more than 23 points.

As far as "making the throws necessary to win big games," Romo is the highest-rated fourth-quarter passer in NFL history. Over the past two seasons, he has a 110.1 rating in "Late & Close" game situations. Wilson's rating in those situations? A paltry 74.0.

Without Seattle's defense, Wilson is just another Colin Kaepernick.

If you'd choose Wilson because of Romo's age and health, then you'd also choose about 25 other quarterbacks for the same reason.

Post Of The Day.

 

[ufcrules1]

Every quarterback is one hit away from his career ending.

Wilson is a good runner and a decent passer who benefits from Seattle's system -- and greatly benefits from its defense. He's 2-9 in his career when he has to score more than 23 points to win -- and both of those wins came against teams that were 0-7 at the time. One was in overtime against the 0-7 Bucs, and the other was a six-point win over the 0-7 Raiders that was aided by a touchdown by the Seahawks' defense. Last season alone, Romo had four wins when he had to score more than 23 points.

As far as "making the throws necessary to win big games," Romo is the highest-rated fourth-quarter passer in NFL history. Over the past two seasons, he has a 110.1 rating in "Late & Close" game situations. Wilson's rating in those situations? A paltry 74.0.

Without Seattle's defense, Wilson is just another Colin Kaepernick.

If you'd choose Wilson because of Romo's age and health, then you'd also choose about 25 other quarterbacks for the same reason.

Congrats on pulling completely random stats that in your mind make Romo better than Wilson. Are games only won in the 4th quarter? Who cares what Romo's stats are in the 4th quarter? Are his stats equally as good in the first quarter? Stats can clearly be twisted to try and make a player look better or worse than he actually is.

Romo is a good QB and had a fantastic season but if he doesn't have more post season success he will have zero chance to make the hall. I'm not fooled by stats and neither are the voters.

Meanwhile a player like Wilson has already won a super bowl and almost won a second in just a few years. He has made key throws on the biggest stage. Seattle didn't go anywhere before Wilson showed up, so he is a big part of his teams success.

Wilson is not just another Kaepernick either. Wilson is WAY better than Kaepernick. You are so worried about defending Romo that you force yourself to downplay the talents of other very good QB's.

Wilson is a very intelligent QB. You should watch him sometime vs just reading stat sheets.

 

[ufcrules1]

The criticism is that when the game is tight or they're behind late in games, most quarterbacks go for broke, trying to do everything they can to come back and win, while Rodgers instead plays it safe. That keeps his stats nice and neat, but it doesn't help his team win very often.

Right, let's downplay the hands down best QB in the league, MVP and first ballot hall of famer to make our boy Romo look better.

 

[AdamJT13]

Congrats on pulling completely random stats that in your mind make Romo better than Wilson. Are games only won in the 4th quarter? Who cares what Romo's stats are in the 4th quarter? Are his stats equally as good in the first quarter? Stats can clearly be twisted to try and make a player look better or worse than he actually is.

Romo is a good QB and had a fantastic season but if he doesn't have more post season success he will have zero chance to make the hall. I'm not fooled by stats and neither are the voters.

Meanwhile a player like Wilson has already won a super bowl and almost won a second in just a few years. He has made key throws on the biggest stage. Seattle didn't go anywhere before Wilson showed up, so he is a big part of his teams success.

Wilson is not just another Kaepernick either. Wilson is WAY better than Kaepernick. You are so worried about defending Romo that you force yourself to downplay the talents of other very good QB's.

Wilson is a very intelligent QB. You should watch him sometime vs just reading stat sheets.

Thanks for the chuckle. And I live near Seattle, so I have watched Wilson play a lot. Probably even more than you will in your entire lifetime.

 

[AdamJT13]

Right, let's downplay the hands down best QB in the league, MVP and first ballot hall of famer to make our boy Romo look better.

That is not my criticism, and it has nothing to do with Romo.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/skeptical-football-the-aaron-rodgers-enigma/

 

[CCBoy]

AdamJT13, it's good seeing you enjoy being a Cowboy fan again!

 

[blindzebra]

Congrats on pulling completely random stats that in your mind make Romo better than Wilson. Are games only won in the 4th quarter? Who cares what Romo's stats are in the 4th quarter? Are his stats equally as good in the first quarter? Stats can clearly be twisted to try and make a player look better or worse than he actually is.

Romo is a good QB and had a fantastic season but if he doesn't have more post season success he will have zero chance to make the hall. I'm not fooled by stats and neither are the voters.

Meanwhile a player like Wilson has already won a super bowl and almost won a second in just a few years. He has made key throws on the biggest stage. Seattle didn't go anywhere before Wilson showed up, so he is a big part of his teams success.

Wilson is not just another Kaepernick either. Wilson is WAY better than Kaepernick. You are so worried about defending Romo that you force yourself to downplay the talents of other very good QB's.

Wilson is a very intelligent QB. You should watch him sometime vs just reading stat sheets.

Yeah and that crappy throw on the slant that got picked to end the Super Bowl just shows his greatness.