Report: Cowboys players growing frustrated with Jason Garrett, coaches

[Stash]

It's already started....last year between the draft and the season there wasn't enough time for Garrett and Wilson to (cough, cough) "coach him up" this year they had an entire off season.....this year we've seen the "coached up" version.

This is the sad truth.

The more they got their hands on the guy and got comfortable and starting doing things "their way" again, the worse everything got.

Their best production is when they're forced - kicking and screaming - to change the way they do things.

 

[ondaedg]

Here is big difference as I see it:

Bill Belichick & Jason Garrett both visited Jimmy Johnson early in their coaching careers for inspiration & guidance. Belichick incorporated Johnson beliefs into his own style. Belichick pivoted several times during his career based on player personnel. Garrett on other hand, listened to Jimmy and basically tried to copy everything. He never had confidence to put his personal stamp on product. So what you get is coach who is incapable of innovation and lacks flexibility & foresight to time necessary adjustments.

I agree. Garrett is not the type of guy who can huddle with his coaches and quickly strategize a new game plan or scheme or whatever change is needed. The numbers in the 2nd half don't lie. We are getting creamed because teams are making adjustments while we're sticking to the original game plan.

 

[ondaedg]

The pass protection has been terrible all season. All of Dak's big plays have been when he has to make a guy miss and then getting outside of the pocket to throw on a broken play.

Tony Romo's best plays were when the original play broke down and he had to improvise. Anyone see a pattern?

 

[khiladi]

we didnt copy new england. We were playing a two tight end heavy offense from day one under parcells and never changed it. Parcells offense used the tight ends differently but we didnt try to copy new england and I am tired of hearing people say this.

this team signed dan campbell in 03 and then drafted jason witten. then in 04 they drafted sean ryan, then in 05 they added brett pierce from baltimore who imo looked excellent, he was big and could move and block in the parcells offense perfectly. Then he tore his acl. In 06 they drafted fasano and he was the perfect fit and should have been here for like 8 years. Instead garrett shipped him off for nothing and without ever giving a clear reason why.

then of course 08 bennett.

This did not start when garrett got here and they were not copying belichick, it was a parcells staple in his style of offense. Fasano never ever should have been just given away after two years here. It was an Idiotic move. he was a team first guy and one of the qb's friends. Bennett showed up and his damn family was running around telling everyone romo sucked and everything was his fault...They still do it to this day. The total opposite of a team guy. Played a big part in how lousy the locker room was in 08.

Sorry, but the issue isn’t the two tight end formation, but using it in a manner the Patriots were doing and Jerry specifically said that the Patriots were the model and why they grabbed Escobar a PASS catching TE to complement Witten.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/cowboys/article/Escobar-pick-has-Dallas-scheming-4476737.php

And interestingly the following article itself was revealing that Jerry was frustrated with the bum that is Jason Garrett as PC:

“Are we all resolved to doing it different relative to injecting that influence in this offense?” Jones said of his conversation with coach Jason Garrettand his offensive assistants. “Don't come in here with the same old same old. ... If we go this route with the tight end, we are going to shake it up around here. It's going to be different.”

 

[ondaedg]

Sorry, but the issue isn’t the two tight end formation, but using it in a manner the Patriots were doing and Jerry specifically said that the Patriots were the model and why they grabbed Escobar a PASS catching TE to complement Witten.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/cowboys/article/Escobar-pick-has-Dallas-scheming-4476737.php

And interestingly the following article itself was revealing that Jerry was frustrated with the bum that is Jason Garrett as PC:

This article leads me to believe that it was JJ's decision with Garrett's "blessing" to run the Patriot's offense? Am I reading that correct? And if so why am I shocked?

 

[cowboy_ron]

Jerry said everything is going great............................who are we to question our used car salesman/GM....we all know Jerry would never blow smoke at us.

 

[khiladi]

This article leads me to believe that it was JJ's decision with Garrett's "blessing" to run the Patriot's offense? Am I reading that correct? And if so why am I shocked?

I actually think it was vice versa. This was the year that Jerry basically started taking play calling duties away from Garrett and it’s clear he was getting frustrated with the same old horrible playcalling.

He was basically saying that you guys want to go with Escobar (they picked him SECOND) meaning another TE, so I don’t want to see the same old nonsense this time around like we did it the past.

The very next year when he brought Linehan he basically said that with him, we are going to maximize our talent keeping the sand system and that previously the coach would say they would change things, such as run the ball but never did.

Jerry is simply too attached to letting JG go..

 

[sean10mm]

At no point have the Cowboys run anything remotely resembling the Patriots offense. Even if they tried to borrow formations/routes/concepts from them, it's clear they have no idea what to do with them. Plus the Patriots have probably gone through 3 different offensive philosophies since the Cowboys drafted Escobar lol.

 

[theebs]

Sorry, but the issue isn’t the two tight end formation, but using it in a manner the Patriots were doing and Jerry specifically said that the Patriots were the model and why they grabbed Escobar a PASS catching TE to complement Witten.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/cowboys/article/Escobar-pick-has-Dallas-scheming-4476737.php

And interestingly the following article itself was revealing that Jerry was frustrated with the bum that is Jason Garrett as PC:

Yea but we used ours just like New England did while bill was here. That is why Parcells invested a bunch in tight ends.

New Orleans still does it essentially the same way as we did in the Parcells years, like New England did/does.

 

[theebs]

This article leads me to believe that it was JJ's decision with Garrett's "blessing" to run the Patriot's offense? Am I reading that correct? And if so why am I shocked?

At no time have we run the “patriots” offense.

The Parcells years offense was similar to what Charlie Weiss ran while running the offense in New England. They all were on the same staffs.

What everyone keeps implying that we run the patriots offense or tried to is nonsense.

 

[khiladi]

Yea but we used ours just like New England did while bill was here. That is why Parcells invested a bunch in tight ends.

New Orleans still does it essentially the same way as we did in the Parcells years, like New England did/does.

My understanding is we basically used it primarily for extra blocking and running packages. I'm not sure if we ever stacked our TEs on different sides with other WRs. I think the main point of the article was to use the formations in all it's diversity, particularly the passing game, which is why Escobar, as pass-catching TE not really known for blocking was drafted.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-end-formations-will-hit-nfl-by-storm-in-2012

 

[BHendri5]

Well I have had a problem with the staff too, you noticed he said the players said staff, not HC. Teams are always calling out our plays, that is nothing new, our players need to execute the plays and stop being dumb. There are no new plays to all of a sudden be made up. This adjustments thing is overrated, they need to execute!!!!! the plays that are being called, play smart and disciplined

 

[khiladi]

Well I have had a problem with the staff too, you noticed he said the players said staff, not HC. Teams are always calling out our plays, that is nothing new, our players need to execute the plays and stop being dumb. There are no new plays to all of a sudden be made up. This adjustments thing is overrated, they need to execute!!!!! the plays that are being called, play smart and disciplined

Staff is inclusive of HC, depending on how it is used...

 

[ondaedg]

At no time have we run the “patriots” offense.

The Parcells years offense was similar to what Charlie Weiss ran while running the offense in New England. They all were on the same staffs.

What everyone keeps implying that we run the patriots offense or tried to is nonsense.

Don't tell me that . Tell it to the owner. He's the one quoted as saying they're going to use the Pats as a "model" offense. I'm just the guy reading the article. Jeesh.

 

[theebs]

Don't tell me that . Tell it to the owner. He's the one quoted as saying they're going to use the Pats as a "model" offense. I'm just the guy reading the article. Jeesh.

not a personal thing with you I have seen it for years on the internet. makes me roll my eyes.

as far as jerry goes he says lots of things, every fifteen minutes we are modeling what they are going to do next based off some other team that has success.

 

[garyo1954]

Just saw this one.....

"The Dallas Cowboys are struggling right now and it’s weighing heavily on their fan base. Many fans want action taken. Whether it’s coaches being replaced, new schemes developed, or just more reps for their favorite players - something has got to change in Dallas. Jason Garrett is responsible for this breakdown and it’s on him to fix it. But for anyone hoping that Jerry Jones has had enough and is real close to making a coaching change, you better put your disappointment-pants on and get comfortable because Garrett isn’t going anywhere."

Read the article here:

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...-going-to-continue-to-hate-him-dallas-cowboys

 

[Beast_from_East]

When did this become news?

Opposing players have talked about how basic our schemes and plays are for years. Even some head coaches have mentioned that our plays and schemes are really not complicated, but we run them with great execution (prior to this year obviously).

Garrett is old school and believes that you line up and just beat the other team with being more physical and out executing them, not by schemes or deception. There is nothing wrong with this philosophy IF YOU HAVE SUPERIOR TALENT.

Case in point.................we have one single victory over an opponent with a winning record, and that is the Chiefs (who have lost 5 out of 6).

 

[stilltheguru88]

Tony Romo's best plays were when the original play broke down and he had to improvise. Anyone see a pattern?

The goofs don’t want to hear that truth.

 

[Zman5]

At no time have we run the “patriots” offense.

The Parcells years offense was similar to what Charlie Weiss ran while running the offense in New England. They all were on the same staffs.

What everyone keeps implying that we run the patriots offense or tried to is nonsense.

The Cowboys were saying in 2013 they were going to copy some aspect of the Patriots offense. And it wasn't just using the 2 TE set but their terminology as well. JG was definately trying to copy the Pats in 2013. He failed miserably.

Here is a twit from that time. Erhardt-Perkins offensive scheme is the one that Charlie Weis ran in NE.



And here is an article by Archers from 2013.

"IRVING, Texas -- The Cowboys made it clear they will become a two-tight end personnel team after the draft.

Jerry Jones invoked the New England Patriots when discussing the scheme following the selection of San Diego State tight end Gavin Escobar in the second round. The Cowboys also had Notre Dame’s Tyler Eifert graded as a first-round pick.

With Jason Witten (who is coming off a 110-catch season), James Hanna and Escobar, the Cowboys are in position to attempt to simulate what Tom Bradydoes with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez."

 

[Alohawg1]

Gee, I wonder if a certain veteran rb was among the more vocal?