Twitter: Report: Cowboys showed interest in trading for Vaccaro last year

[buybuydandavis]

He's been average. I'm not saying we can't improve, but he defends the deep pass well and is not a liability in coverage.

PFF says he was outplayed by Woods and Heath. And Lewis and Awuzie and Woods. And they took him off the field for younger guys, so that should tell you something too.

Byron is good at man coverage of TEs. For that, he's probably the best on the team. Has the size, length and athleticism to contend with bigger players.

But how many times has he been an asset in zone coverage? How many times has he made a play by helping the corners over the top?

Last year of his contract. Man coverage specialist for TEs. Depth and nickel/dime player otherwise. That's where he's at now.

 

[Rayman70]

PFF says he was outplayed by Woods and Heath. And Lewis and Awuzie and Woods. And they took him off the field for younger guys, so that should tell you something too.

Byron is good at man coverage of TEs. For that, he's probably the best on the team. Has the size, length and athleticism to contend with bigger players.

But how many times has he been an asset in zone coverage? How many times has he made a play by helping the corners over the top?

Last year of his contract. Man coverage specialist for TEs. Depth and nickel/dime player otherwise. That's where he's at now.

I recal Aaron Rodgers shredding Jones the last 2 times we played,especially in the playoff game in 2016. Jones doesn't impress me unless .like you said,he is in man.

 

[Carson]

Honestly, I’d be happy we’re just making moves and not settling

 

[gjkoeppen]

First, i think there is really a possibility they can trade for Thomas. Dont think that run up Thomas did, didnt open Jerrys eyes.
Second, Dallas is roughly 20mil under the cap, and can Free up about 8.5 mil restructuring Frederick. And i think this will happen because there are still 6 yrs left on his deal and still have the final 2 yrs with no guaranteed money owed. This is what Dallas does to be able to get cap help in yrs. Something you people still dont understand even when the Jones' tell you.

Dallas cap space as of right now 20.311 mil

Frederick restructure estimated 28.811mil under
Scandrick release 30.011mil under
Mayowa release 32.761mil under
Hanna release 35.511mil under

Wow just like that, without any major moves Dallas is 35.511mil under the cap. To be able to trade for a Earl Thomas or sign a Vacarro. The cap is already accounting Martins 2018 salary at over 9mil. The first yr of a extension for him will be probably half of that. So add in another 4.5mil to the cap and Dallas has roughly 40mil in cap space. Lawrence first yr on his new deal will be probably 4-6mil in the first yr ill go at 5, so thats 35mil under. Tender Irving even round 1 which will be roughly 4mil. 31mil under the cap. And all this before Dealing with Dez. Me personally listening to Stephen the team is gonna ask him to take a paycut. So im going to add Dez to the releases now. By releasing Dez Dallas gets back 8.5mil and takes the cap back to roughly 39.5mil under. And even if they dont, and Dez stays on the team they will still be roughly 31mil under the cap with already handling the most important parts of the offseason in resigning their own important guys.

I think it's so humorous how so many wannabe GM's/capologists have all of these moves all planned out and all of their big plans will, in real life, just fall according to their plans. They state will all certainty that martin is going to sign this ultra team friendly contract because these days the players haven't noticed that teams have no loyalties to players so they just live for the chance to do team friendly contracts. NOT! Players today, especially players like Martin , know they will be HIGHLY in demand and know they won't have to settle for team friendly contracts and/or they know they may get franchised in which case is many mil more the the team friendly number you came up with. For 2018 the franchise number is 15.4 mil for an offensive lineman. Then you know, probably from the many conversations you've had with Jerry, Stephen and Jason, who they are planning to release. It's funny how recently Stephen has said there are 4 players we want to resign/extend and we have our work cut us for us to be able to get that done and be able to get all 4 done, we'll see. That certainly didn't sound to me that they thought they would be sitting with 35 mil to play with. Maybe we should all just sit back and let the actual Cowboys figure out the contracts and not get carried away by all of the wannabe GM's on here.
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[gjkoeppen]

Why do you think Earl Thomas is going to cost so much? Seattle is going to take a 10.4 million dollar cap hit if he stays on the books. He is in the last year of his contract. I think he could be had for a mid round pick and the balance of his contract which is an 8.5 million dollar base.

Because most real GM's, opposed to the wannabe GM's, don't trade for players in the last year of their contracts who will demand very big contracts after that year. It's called renting a player. Now some teams do that when they think they are just that player away from winning it all, but we all know that's not the case with Dallas. Now often a team will trade for a player in the last year of his contract IF, that big word if, the team he's on lets the team wanting to trade for him negotiate a new contract in which case I'll guarantee you that for 2018 Thomas would make many more mils than the 8.5 which is his base now which makes his salary not possible with who the Cowboys want to resign/extend, the rookies they draft and the cap room they have to work with. BTW Thomas is considered to be one of the top 5 safeties and surprise surprise Thomas's base is at about #7.
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[DiResta]

Lets just ponder your wannabe GM skills. The Cowboys have said they have a priority to sign/extend 4 players and allow for the rookies they will draft and that will use up more than the available cap space. The Cowboys have several pressing needs and have to hit on ALL OF THEIR TOP draft picks, 1 - 4 or 5. You want to trade for Thomas which means giving up possibly multiple draft picks and then trading away at least 2 draft picks to select a LB. So your big moves are to squander the Cowboys top draft picks on 2 trades, one of which because of cap space the Cowboys wouldn't be able to afford, and these 2 players will be the entire fix for the Cowboys? All of their pressing needs will be answered with these 2 players? Stick to fantasy football where the only one you hurt is your fantasy team.
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it would depend on what Seattle wants and as for moving up "if you must" to get a linebacker, again depends on who is available. maybe it only requires moving up 2 places
i would not trade my draft for 2 players but i know that the Cowboys are terrible without Lee
Earl is a proven elite top 3 free safety and can make everyone around him better
years ago we should have been serious about getting Weddle when he wanted out of San Diego
instead the franchise has chased its tail and wasted picks while wannabe gms like you are happy with cast offs and players not capable of being elite at their position
meanwhile Weddle still makes the Ravens a very good defense
all top defenses have great safeties.
the Vikings have Harris the Eagles hit gold with Jenkins the Giants have Collins and on and on
the Cowboys have thrown away high picks many times and made risky decisions with guys like Gregory and Jaylon
yeah i would use a 3rd to get a guy that slipped like 6'5" Edmunds or obviously a Roquan
and i would be very happy to do it
then instead of picking a guy like Ridley when you still dont know if Dak can get him the ball i grab a proven vet with a sb ring like Emmanuel Sanders
defense has to be capable of winning games and stopping good teams

 

[DiResta]

I think it's so humorous how so many wannabe GM's/capologists

you like to keep throwing that word around but unless you are Jerry Jones you are no different than anyone else on this forum discussing the Dallas Cowboys and what they feel makes t hem better
theres no guarantee or abc book on how to build a dynasty
real gms get it wrong all the time and sometimes they trade a dude they dont need for a freak like Ajayi while everyone says why didnt we do that
get off your high horse

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

With all that said, he’s still better than Vacarro

Sigh.

 

[gjkoeppen]

it would depend on what Seattle wants and as for moving up "if you must" to get a linebacker, again depends on who is available. maybe it only requires moving up 2 places
i would not trade my draft for 2 players but i know that the Cowboys are terrible without Lee
Earl is a proven elite top 3 free safety and can make everyone around him better
years ago we should have been serious about getting Weddle when he wanted out of San Diego
instead the franchise has chased its tail and wasted picks while wannabe gms like you are happy with cast offs and players not capable of being elite at their position
meanwhile Weddle still makes the Ravens a very good defense
all top defenses have great safeties.
the Vikings have Harris the Eagles hit gold with Jenkins the Giants have Collins and on and on
the Cowboys have thrown away high picks many times and made risky decisions with guys like Gregory and Jaylon
yeah i would use a 3rd to get a guy that slipped like 6'5" Edmunds or obviously a Roquan
and i would be very happy to do it
then instead of picking a guy like Ridley when you still dont know if Dak can get him the ball i grab a proven vet with a sb ring like Emmanuel Sanders
defense has to be capable of winning games and stopping good teams

First even it the Cowboys only have to move up a couple of spots, teams aren't going to trade even up so it will cost at least another draft pick. Second, because the Cowboys have already said they have a priority to resign/extend 4 players and to allow for the draft picks and have said that in itself will be a challenge AND Thomas won't come as a team friendly contract when he knows that he will be in very high demand AND the Cowboys are not dumb enough to trade for him on his contract year only to rent him for 2018 so Thomas is unaffordable. Again this is what wannabe GM's miss when they make all of the grand plans.
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[gjkoeppen]

you like to keep throwing that word around but unless you are Jerry Jones you are no different than anyone else on this forum discussing the Dallas Cowboys and what they feel makes t hem better
theres no guarantee or abc book on how to build a dynasty
real gms get it wrong all the time and sometimes they trade a dude they dont need for a freak like Ajayi while everyone says why didnt we do that
get off your high horse

Here's the difference. I use something called common sense and have said repeatedly that only the Cowboys know for sure what they will do, but since the Cowboys have said they have areas that need attention and knowing what cap space they have to work with and who they have already said were their priorities are, COMMO0N SENSE tells us that the Cowboys are going to need ALL of their draft picks and trading the higher picks away on 2 players that one they can't afford and the other may be of some help but neither would automatically catapult the Cowboys to Super Bowl LII so common sense says this is a pipe dream.
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[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Can’t Earl and Emmanel just force their way out and give us hometown discounts

 

[gjkoeppen]

Can’t Earl and Emmanel just force their way out and give us hometown discounts

Lets see, Thomas wants out of seattle in large part because of seattles unwillingness to extend him to the big contract he's looking for and you think the same guy who is looking for a big contract will all of a sudden do a 180 and agree to a team friendly contract with the Cowboys that he won't do for seattle? The same guy that knows when he hits free agency will command and be able to choose between multiple BIG contracts but will forego them for a lesser team friendly contract from the Cowboys. Players know that teams show no or extremely little loyalty to players and when it comes to contracts most say there is the playing side and the business side of football and they have to do what's best for them and their families.
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[jay94]

I want Hanna and I'm not releasing Scandrick. Injuries happen.


Safety is one of the positions that age deters the least, a few great cbs went to safeties, it's more about recognition and placing your self in position than purely just speed. I don't see that skillset really falling off with age.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

First the Cowboys aren't going to trade for Thomas. That is directly related to point two. Second the Cowboys have 4 players they have said are a priority to resign/extend and that will leave no money to sign free agents or trade for expensive players. Third, Byron proved he doesn't posses the speed needed to play corner in the NFL that is the primary reason he was moved to safety.
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When did Byron prove that? When he was a top 5 rookie while playing CB? He was moved due to need at the safety position