Report: DE Greg Hardy will not return to Panthers - Charges Dismissed 02/09/15

[JoeKing]

Where is it stated as fact that he 'did all the things he was convicted of doing'?

Convicted means guilty... he did it. Charges thrown out on a technicality doesn't mean he did not do it. it just means he got away with it.

 

[JoeKing]

People (and companies) pay settlements every day if it guarantees an end to the litigation and if it costs a tiny fraction of the attorney fees it would cost to continue the litigation.

One of the charges against Hardy was Attempted Murder. If the DA in NC really felt that Hardy had done it and it could be proven, he would have
subpoenaed the witness and made her testify in the criminal trial. They do it every day. They didn't because they knew the girls story would never add up, plus Hardy very likely had evidence to prove his side of the story.

The DA doesn't prosecute cases based on how he feels. He prosecutes based on what he thinks he can prove. You don't know how the girls story would hold up because she got paid off to not testify during the appeal.

 

[LatinMind]

Not necessarily true...as an attorney I have proffered to clients that it may work out cheaper for them to settle a case before having to pay attorneys fees win or lose. And should you lose, he would have to pay the settlement as well as the plaintiff's attorneys fees and court costs. The burden of proof in a civil case is considerably lower than that in a criminal case. Thus, it takes less for the other side to find a victory whether they should or not.

Do you think he hit her? Honestly just a yes or no answer. Because the judge says yes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm telling you that it is similar when you consider the net results.

The bench trial with the Judge, much like a Grand Jury, filters out cases that don't have enough merit to go to a Jury Trial. Once it goes to a Jury trial, then that overrides the previous conviction (Judge) or Indictment (Grand Jury).

But the GJ doesn't have the power of a trial and have different parameters. You cannot be tried for the same crime from the same incident twice. GJ is not trial so would not invoke jeopardy. This NC bench thingee does as the initial judge does not ahve to set aside the verdict and your butt can land in the klink for it.

I'm with you in that it is a prescreening from a jury trial but the simmilarities end there as the dispositions are completely different.

 

[Stash]

Convicted means guilty... he did it. Charges thrown out on a technicality doesn't mean he did not do it. it just means he got away with it.

You keep telling yourself that. And I'll keep seeing a lying, druggie, golddigger for exactly what she is.

http://blackandbluereview.com/hardy-quotes/

 

[LatinMind]

The sum total of the evidence was Holder's testimony, which contradicted what she told the police when she filed her initial report. Which is why Hardy appealed, the jury trial is where he would provide his evidence to rebut her.

oh really?

Christina Lawrence, an uptown bartender, was in a bedroom with one of Hardy’s friends when she said she heard arguing, scuffling and someone being slammed into a wall. She said she heard a woman say, “What are you going to do, break my arm?” (Later, Holder testified to those very words when she said Hardy grabbed her.)

Lawrence said she ran barefoot from the apartment looking for help, and she can be heard shouting in the background of the security guard’s call to 911.

 

[Kaiser]

The DA doesn't prosecute cases based on how he feels. He prosecutes based on what he thinks he can prove. You don't know how the girls story would hold up because she got paid off to not testify during the appeal.

I know the DA dropped the case because he knew/thought/felt he couldn't prove the case. That is the proof the girls story wouldn't hold up. You are also ignoring the fact that the settlement was for the Civil trial and not the criminal trial.

You also have no idea what evidence Hardy had that would exonerate him.

 

[slick325]

Do you think he hit her? Honestly just a yes or no answer. Because the judge says yes.

I have no clue what transpired. Don't have all the facts via Civil Procedure Rules of Discovery. That's why I was so interested in a jury trial. More things fleshed out because they generally last longer than a bench trial in my experience.

If the evidence shows to me that the person did something...I will say they did it. If the evidence shows me that the person didn't do it...I will say that. In this case...I don't have enough evidence to say "yes" or "no" LM. Mean that sincerely.

As a sidenote: Evidence to me includes things the judge allows in and excludes due to a rule of evidence (just for clarity).

 

[JoeKing]

Do you think he hit her? Honestly just a yes or no answer. Because the judge says yes.

hell yes he hit her

 

[LatinMind]

I have no clue what transpired. Don't have all the facts via Civil Procedure Rules of Discovery. That's why I was so interested in a jury trial. More things fleshed out because they generally last longer than a bench trial in my experience.

If the evidence shows to me that the person did something...I will say they did it. If the evidence shows me that the person didn't do it...I will say that. In this case...I don't have enough evidence to say "yes" or "no" LM. Mean that sincerely.

As a sidenote: Evidence to me includes things the judge allows in and excludes due to a rule of evidence (just for clarity).

Im not asking you to dissect the case. Im asking you a question between 2 people. Do you think he did or not. I can tell you i think no doubt in my head he hit her.

Lol reading this thread ive been laughing at alot of people in here. Because theyre making a fuss about this because they pray Dallas will sign him. But in other threads preach RKG religiously. Hypocrisy at its best. Want a woman beating drug user. RKG for the Cowboys 90's teams lol

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Convicted means guilty... he did it. Charges thrown out on a technicality doesn't mean he did not do it. it just means he got away with it.

It seems I am back to laughing at people instead of arguing on merit because the argument is just so bad.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Im not asking you to dissect the case. Im asking you a question between 2 people. Do you think he did or not. I can tell you i think no doubt in my head he hit her.

Lol reading this thread ive been laughing at alot of people in here. Because theyre making a fuss about this because they pray Dallas will sign him. But in other threads preach RKG religiously. Hypocrisy at its best. Want a woman beating drug user. RKG for the Cowboys 90's teams lol

He doesn't dumb things down and yes or no while simple is not necessarily representative of reality. Just because he didn't answer how you wanted for your bad argument approach does not mean he didn't answer your question.

 

[Stash]

That's the legal definition of "convicted", it's not just my opinion. But now the white girl got paid to be silent on the matter.

So, judge said 'convicted', appeal said dismissed = not guilty.

Anything else is speculation.

 

[Kaiser]

oh really?

Christina Lawrence, an uptown bartender, was in a bedroom with one of Hardy’s friends when she said she heard arguing, scuffling and someone being slammed into a wall. She said she heard a woman say, “What are you going to do, break my arm?” (Later, Holder testified to those very words when she said Hardy grabbed her.)

Lawrence said she ran barefoot from the apartment looking for help, and she can be heard shouting in the background of the security guard’s call to 911.

Christina Lawrence testified that she didn't see anything and what she heard backs up Hardy's version of events also. A scuffle and Hardy's ex GF yelling something was part of both stories being told.

 

[JoeKing]

I know the DA dropped the case because he knew/thought/felt he couldn't prove the case. That is the proof the girls story wouldn't hold up. You are also ignoring the fact that the settlement was for the Civil trial and not the criminal trial.

You also have no idea what evidence Hardy had that would exonerate him.

She got paid to no-show.

I have no idea about what? ...evidence that was never presented, and as far as anyone is concerned does not exist. You can not prove a negative. When the assertion to prove is a negative claim, the burden takes the form of a negative proof, proof of impossibility, or mere evidence of absence.

 

[Kaiser]

y. Hypocrisy at its best. Want a woman beating drug user. RKG for the Cowboys 90's teams lol

Speaking of hypocrisy, I'm sure you demanded CJ Spillman be thrown off the Cowboys roster earlier this year when he was accused of rape but never convicted. Because if you didn't, that sure would make your posts today look hypocritical.

 

[LatinMind]

So, judge said 'convicted', appeal said dismissed = not guilty.

Anything else is speculation.

Appeal said charges dropped, not dismissed. Later turned to Settlement. Then later said language put in to point to civil suit.

 

[slick325]

Im not asking you to dissect the case. Im asking you a question between 2 people. Do you think he did or not. I can tell you i think no doubt in my head he hit her.

Lol reading this thread ive been laughing at alot of people in here. Because theyre making a fuss about this because they pray Dallas will sign him. But in other threads preach RKG religiously. Hypocrisy at its best. Want a woman beating drug user. RKG for the Cowboys 90's teams lol

From the outside looking in...I definitely think both parties are guilty of the simple definition of Assault. That being "an unwanted touching." I believe she hit him and grabbed him. Also believe he at minimum grabbed her arm to kick her out. Both of these would constitute Assault.

The League will get the benefit of having all the evidence before it. Everything both sides were planning on presenting. Hopefully, a fair and reasonable decision is made one way or the other by the League...but I am not sure they are capable of doing that. LOL.

Regarding him playing for the Boys...I would be all for it as long as Jerry's security team and the League fully vet the situation. Have seen WAY too many false claims get believed by the Court of public opinion when I knew all the facts. That is the laughable thing to me.

 

[Stash]

Im not asking you to dissect the case. Im asking you a question between 2 people. Do you think he did or not. I can tell you i think no doubt in my head he hit her.

Do you think she hit him?

Lol reading this thread ive been laughing at alot of people in here. Because theyre making a fuss about this because they pray Dallas will sign him. But in other threads preach RKG religiously. Hypocrisy at its best. Want a woman beating drug user. RKG for the Cowboys 90's teams lol

So you have him convicted despite what the legal system says and you project hypocrisy on others?

If he 'beat her', where's the physical evidence? If that 275lb man wanted to hurt her, she would be hurt.

The only evidence of injury was a toenail she injured kicking his car.

 

[Stash]

Appeal said charges dropped, not dismissed. Later turned to Settlement. Then later said language put in to point to civil suit.

Does it say guilty anywhere?