Report: DE Greg Hardy will not return to Panthers - Charges Dismissed 02/09/15

[mickswag]

I said similar, not same.

Gotcha. But I'm telling you that it's really not that similar at all.

 

[xwalker]

Gotcha. But I'm telling you that it's really not that similar at all.

I'm telling you that it is similar when you consider the net results.

The bench trial with the Judge, much like a Grand Jury, filters out cases that don't have enough merit to go to a Jury Trial. Once it goes to a Jury trial, then that overrides the previous conviction (Judge) or Indictment (Grand Jury).

 

[Stash]

Not sure what the actual odds are, but if Hardy gets reinstated soon, I very much hope that the Cowboys make an offer to him.

I would love to get the Dez Bryant deal done, along with several smaller deals for free agents we need to re-sign, (of course I would like Murray back at the right price too) and be able to fill our #1 most glaring defensive need prior to the draft.

If that need is filled, you would truly be able to go best player available throughout the entire process and improve the team that much more for the long term.

 

[JoeKing]

The charges being dropped doesn't make Hardy a good man all of a sudden. He still did all the things he was convicted of doing he just isn't going to be legally held accountable for those actions because of a technicality. Where does the NFL draw the line when vetting employment? To a lesser extent, the same could be said of Joseph Randle who recently had "possession of an illegal substance" charges dropped. To be fair to Randle, he was never convicted of those charges.

 

[Idgit]

The charges being dropped doesn't make Hardy a good man all of a sudden. He still did all the things he was convicted of doing he just isn't going to be legally held accountable for those actions because of a technicality. Where does the NFL draw the line when vetting employment? To a lesser extent, the same could be said of Joseph Randle who recently had "possession of an illegal substance" charges dropped. To be fair to Randle, he was never convicted of those charges.

I think you need to dig into the Hardy case a little bit more. The inconsistencies in the key witness' original testimony are suspected to be a significant part of why the charges against him were outright dismissed.

 

[JoeKing]

I think you need to dig into the Hardy case a little bit more. The inconsistencies in the key witness' original testimony are suspected to be a significant part of why the charges against him were outright dismissed.

The inconsistency only comes into play when court's witness refused to testify. He still communicated a threat and assaulted a female. Just because his accuser no-showed in court doesn't mean he is a good dude. IMO, it seems she was paid off and now has no interest in his punishment.

 

[justbob]

I can't think of a recent case against high profile case where the video or pictures were not published. Any domestic violence case where the victim reports that she was bruised from head to toe has multiple photos. Photos that are taken over several days or weeks to document the injuries. Its sop. I'm surprised, if the case is true as reported ,the photos haven't surfaced. At the least in the modern world of selfies the woman didn't publish her own pictures.

 

[LatinMind]

www.nfltraderumors.co

Greg Hardy

• Jason Cole reports that prosecutors in the Greg Hardy case knew months ago about the settlement between him and the alleged victim.
• Cole adds that the settlement included language that said this was only for civil purpose and had no bearing on criminal case.
• Hardy’s girlfriend could still have shown up to the trial on Monday

This guy paid her not to go lol.

 

[slick325]

www.nfltraderumors.co

Greg Hardy

• Jason Cole reports that prosecutors in the Greg Hardy case knew months ago about the settlement between him and the alleged victim.
• Cole adds that the settlement included language that said this was only for civil purpose and had no bearing on criminal case.
• Hardy’s girlfriend could still have shown up to the trial on Monday

This guy paid her not to go lol.

LM...I read that the opposite way...she basically said "pay me and I will walk away." I say that because "the settlement included language that said this was only for civil purpose and had no bearing on criminal case. Hardy's girlfriend could still have shown up to the trial Monday." She choose not to come because she got what she really wanted..."straight cash homie" (in my best Randy Moss voice). His attorneys could have included language related to the criminal case if they wanted to...

I could be totally wrong on this but just my initial interpretation. LM, I guess this is just an example of being in the same building but having different views.

 

[Stash]

The charges being dropped doesn't make Hardy a good man all of a sudden. He still did all the things he was convicted of doing he just isn't going to be legally held accountable for those actions because of a technicality. Where does the NFL draw the line when vetting employment? To a lesser extent, the same could be said of Joseph Randle who recently had "possession of an illegal substance" charges dropped. To be fair to Randle, he was never convicted of those charges.

Where is it stated as fact that he 'did all the things he was convicted of doing'?

 

[Stash]

The inconsistency only comes into play when court's witness refused to testify. He still communicated a threat and assaulted a female. Just because his accuser no-showed in court doesn't mean he is a good dude. IMO, it seems she was paid off and now has no interest in his punishment.

You're facts are way off, at best.

The female involved gave conflicting testimony during two depositions and then refused to show up to clarify those statements at trial.

But fortunately, she got enough money to go on.

As in to go on to Colorado for some skiing, go on to New York for some shopping...

 

[Stash]

I can't think of a recent case against high profile case where the video or pictures were not published. Any domestic violence case where the victim reports that she was bruised from head to toe has multiple photos. Photos that are taken over several days or weeks to document the injuries. Its sop. I'm surprised, if the case is true as reported ,the photos haven't surfaced. At the least in the modern world of selfies the woman didn't publish her own pictures.

No.

The only selfies she posted were of her skiing trip and hoping trips...

 

[LatinMind]

LM...I read that the opposite way...she basically said "pay me and I will walk away." I say that because "the settlement included language that said this was only for civil purpose and had no bearing on criminal case. Hardy's girlfriend could still have shown up to the trial Monday." She choose not to come because she got what she really wanted..."straight cash homie" (in my best Randy Moss voice). His attorneys could have included language related to the criminal case if they wanted to...

I could be totally wrong on this but just my initial interpretation. LM, I guess this is just an example of being in the same building but having different views.

If nothing happened and there was no evidence, there would be no reason to settle right? Players dont give away money if they dont have to.

 

[slick325]

If nothing happened and there was no evidence, there would be no reason to settle right? Players dont give away money if they dont have to.

Not necessarily true...as an attorney I have proffered to clients that it may work out cheaper for them to settle a case before having to pay attorneys fees win or lose. And should you lose, he would have to pay the settlement as well as the plaintiff's attorneys fees and court costs. The burden of proof in a civil case is considerably lower than that in a criminal case. Thus, it takes less for the other side to find a victory whether they should or not.

 

[Stash]

If nothing happened and there was no evidence, there would be no reason to settle right? Players dont give away money if they dont have to.

The NFL didn't seem to wait until the evidence was submitted and the final case heard to stop Hardy from playing football, did they?

The league currently operates in a 'shoot first, ask questions later' environment. And now the roadmap has been shown to any and all golddiggers to quickly get paid off.

Simply accuse an NFL player of wrongdoing and the league will suspend him, and you'll quickly get paid to go away.

 

[mickswag]

If nothing happened and there was no evidence, there would be no reason to settle right? Players dont give away money if they dont have to.

There are lots of reasons to settle. Businesses and companies settle with people who have filed suit (and don't have super legit claims) all the time. Same happens in the civil context between individuals. People settle and don't have to worry about court fees, attorneys fees, time, etc. Settlements do not always equal fault/guilt. In some cases they do though.

 

[mickswag]

Not necessarily true...as an attorney I have proffered to clients that it may work out cheaper for them to settle a case before having to pay attorneys fees win or lose. And should you lose, he would have to pay the settlement as well as the plaintiff's attorneys fees and court costs. The burden of proof in a civil case is considerably lower than that in a criminal case. Thus, it takes less for the other side to find a victory whether they should or not.

Exactly.

 

[Kaiser]

If nothing happened and there was no evidence, there would be no reason to settle right? Players dont give away money if they dont have to.

People (and companies) pay settlements every day if it guarantees an end to the litigation and if it costs a tiny fraction of the attorney fees it would cost to continue the litigation.

One of the charges against Hardy was Attempted Murder. If the DA in NC really felt that Hardy had done it and it could be proven, he would have
subpoenaed the witness and made her testify in the criminal trial. They do it every day. They didn't because they knew the girls story would never add up, plus Hardy very likely had evidence to prove his side of the story.

 

[LatinMind]

Where is it stated as fact that he 'did all the things he was convicted of doing'?

In announcing her decision, Tin noted that Hardy and Nicole Holder told wildly differentversions from the witness stand of what happened in the football player’s luxury uptown apartment on May 13. But the judge said the evidence persuaded her beyond reasonable doubt that Hardy beat Holder, threw her around his apartment, then tried to hide his actions with a fabricated 911 call.

This is the judges words on evidence and testimony they had.

I dont know if thats the facts you wanted, but the judge came to a guilty judgement based on the evidence and the witnesses they had.

 

[Kaiser]

But the judge said the evidence persuaded her beyond reasonable doubt that Hardy beat Holder, threw her around his apartment, then tried to hide his actions with a fabricated 911 call..

The sum total of the evidence was Holder's testimony, which contradicted what she told the police when she filed her initial report. Which is why Hardy appealed, the jury trial is where he would provide his evidence to rebut her.