Report: Eagles trade draft pick and LB Simoneau for WR Donte Stallworth

[superpunk]

Take a Good look at what posters did to my efforts to quantify the Eagles being at a 75% improvement level. Do you really believe it would have been any better had I tried to legitimize those numbers?

I believe you shouldn't have made it up in the first place.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I believe you shouldn't have made it up in the first place.

Posters come up with "pot-shot" predictions, and stats all the time. On this very thread someone tried to tell me that Stallworth cannot do a 4.2 in the 40. That said, I have just as much right as anyone on here (to sprinkle a little bull crap in the corn flakes).

And Unless you've done a 360 degree turnaround on me ...you know exactly what I'm talking about! Don't give me this "better than thou" attitude all of a sudden.

 

[superpunk]

Posters come up with "pot-shot" predictions, and stats all the time. On this very thread someone tried to tell me that Stallworth cannot do a 4.2 in the 40. That said, I have just as much right as anyone on here (to sprinkle a little bull crap in the corn flakes).

And Unless you've done a 360 degree turnaround on me ...you know exactly what I'm talking about! Don't give me this "better than thou" attitude all of a sudden.

I didn't read the whole thread, PT. I agree with your basic take on Stallworth, as it shows up late in the thread. I think you're bringing the pain on yourself when you make up arbitrary stats like 75% better and then give a garbage qualification for those stats. You made it up. No big deal. It only looks worse when you start to justfiy it. What possible reason did you have to make that number up?

 

[TobiasEagle77]

Are you saying he is arrogant and has too much faith in an offensive system that has not been successful since Bill Walsh?

Alexander, you have to be joking with this post.

A quick visit to http://www.superbowl.com/history/recaps shows that, in the last 10 years for example, there have been 7 WCO teams in the superbowl, 4 winners running the WCO

 

[TobiasEagle77]

He's an upgrade over a pathetic group but hardly enough to make the Eagles a threat for the division.

We don't need "elite" wide-outs to be a threat for the division, we just need solid ones.

Stallworth is, without a doubt, the best wide reciever (in terms of talent + experience) that McNabb has ever had, other than T.O.

Reggie Brown is also better than any WR McNabb has had, other than TO

Philly is a threat for the division. Period. Anyone who says they'll finish in the bottom of the barrell, will eat their words.

 

[peplaw06]

Stallworth is, without a doubt, the best wide reciever (in terms of talent + experience) that McNabb has ever had, other than T.O.

Reggie Brown is also better than any WR McNabb has had, other than TO

How is that possible??

Also that's not saying a whole hell of a lot.

 

[tyke1doe]

Posters come up with "pot-shot" predictions, and stats all the time. On this very thread someone tried to tell me that Stallworth cannot do a 4.2 in the 40. That said, I have just as much right as anyone on here (to sprinkle a little bull crap in the corn flakes).

And Unless you've done a 360 degree turnaround on me ...you know exactly what I'm talking about! Don't give me this "better than thou" attitude all of a sudden.

Do you mean 180 degree turn?

360 degrees is a full circle, which brings you back to your same point.

180 means you've changed your position.

Don't feel bad, if that is indeed what you meant.

I used to make the same mistake.

 

[Stash]

We don't need "elite" wide-outs to be a threat for the division, we just need solid ones.

Stallworth is, without a doubt, the best wide reciever (in terms of talent + experience) that McNabb has ever had, other than T.O.

Reggie Brown is also better than any WR McNabb has had, other than TO

Philly is a threat for the division. Period. Anyone who says they'll finish in the bottom of the barrell, will eat their words.

What constitutes "bottom of the barrel"? A .500 record?

I'll say they finish at about 8-8. I do not see them as a threat for the division.

And I'll gladly stand behind those words at season's end.

 

[AdamJT13]

Andy Reid disagrees.

"We're bringing in an experienced receiver that's coming off a great year with the New Orleans Saints, and he'll fit nicely into our receiving corps," Reid said in a statement. "He's got tremendous speed and quickness, and he catches the ball very well. He's good with the yards after the catch."

Saying he catches the ball very well doesn't mean he never drops it. The fact is, Stallworth dropped the ball a lot last year. Nobody's opinion can change that.

 

[burmafrd]

I am STILL WAITING for a source on this 4.2 BS. COME ON- something halfway legitimate- not some bs high school thing.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I am STILL WAITING for a source on this 4.2 BS. COME ON- something halfway legitimate- not some bs high school thing.

Actually 4.2 was BS ...try 4.18 ...


For all the trouble Stallworth had in finalizing his NFL decision, it seems certain to pay off in a huge way. Not only has he impressed NFL team officials in interviews, he also solidified his stock with a phenomenal workout for scouts in March. The Kansas City Chiefs timed Stallworth at 4.18 seconds in the 40-yard dash, and no other team clocked him slower than 4.29.

Source ...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/2002-04-17-cover-stallworth.htm

 

[speedkilz88]

My Kiper draft book estimated him at 4.25, regardless it hasn't translated to the football field. Still a good pickup for the wr starved eagles.

 

[Tuna Helper]

Horrible, of course.

Out of the 79 wide receivers with at least 30 catches last season, Stallworth ranked 75th in dropped pass percentage. Right behind Stallworth at 76th was Reggie Brown. (The only guys worse were Eddie Kennison, Ernest Wilford and Dante Hall. So there was only one other starting receiver with a higher drop percentage -- Kennison -- than the two guys who'll start for the Eagles this season.)

If you base it on drops per catch, then Stallworth's ranking goes all the way up to 73rd! And Reggie Brown again finished right behind him, in 74th.

I agree for the most part, but I temper this with the fact that sometimes dropsies are not the fault of the receiver. Prior to my wife giving in to my desire for Sunday Ticket, I was forced to watch many Saints games. Aaron Brooks has to be the least accurate QB in the NFL in terms of putting the ball in the wrong place for his receivers. The Saints receivers often had to make awkward adjustments to catch the ball from Brooks. Shouldn't the QB also be blamed for some dropped passes if they are not accurate to begin with?

With that being said, Reggie Brown receives his passes from McNabb, so I am not sure that these stats will be different now that Stallworth is an Eagle.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Its amazing how a non-cowboys thread has the most posts to it?

This is CowboysZone.com right? Mods?

 

[AdamJT13]

I agree for the most part, but I temper this with the fact that sometimes dropsies are not the fault of the receiver. Prior to my wife giving in to my desire for Sunday Ticket, I was forced to watch many Saints games. Aaron Brooks has to be the least accurate QB in the NFL in terms of putting the ball in the wrong place for his receivers. The Saints receivers often had to make awkward adjustments to catch the ball from Brooks. Shouldn't the QB also be blamed for some dropped passes if they are not accurate to begin with?

According to K.C. Joyner, Brooks finished 11th out of 42 quarterbacks last season in the lowest percentage of inaccurate passes. So inaccurate passes weren't the problem.

Joyner also breaks down dropped passes (he had Stallworth with 14, compared to STATS Inc.'s 11), and Stallworth was near the bottom in all three types of drops -- accurate passes, inaccurate passes and stripped passes.

 

[Juljonesfan]

Kinda why Saints dropped him for a 4th.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Yippy, add some more #2/3 WR to your team instead of getting an actual lead WR. Or a back capabe of running between the tackles

 

[TobiasEagle77]

What constitutes "bottom of the barrel"? A .500 record?

I'll say they finish at about 8-8. I do not see them as a threat for the division.

And I'll gladly stand behind those words at season's end.

OK. I'll say that they will NOT finish bottom of this division (bottom of the barrell) and that they will contend for the division title.

And I'll also gladly stand behind those words.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Its amazing how a non-cowboys thread has the most posts to it? This is CowboysZone.com right? Mods?

I'm not a Mod here at the Zone (at this point in time), but if I were, I'd tell you that a thread doesn't have to be "fandom-specific" to contain elements that have interesting football dialogue.

Sometimes the excitement of intelligent debate (or sometime controlled argument for the lack of a better term) is exhilarating. You really should consider "lightning-up" sought of speaking.

To answer you direct question ...yes, this is CowboysZone. com

BTW ..."Its amazing how a non-cowboys thread has the most posts to it?" ...is not a question.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

OK. I'll say that they will NOT finish bottom of this division (bottom of the barrell) and that they will contend for the division title. And I'll also gladly stand behind those words.

I'll stand with you TE77!