Report: Titans DONE with Vince Young, Ready to Move On

[Rack]

I've said this a million times... young QB's should sit on the bench for 2+ years. And this is a prime example of why I feel that way.


You start Vince Young too soon you've got a QB with his confidence shattered and with too much learning going on to focus on the little things.


You start a Steve McNair after 2+ years on the bench and you end up with an MVP.



Fisher was freakin' DUMB to start Vince Young as a rookie.

 

[shakewell]

i googled i looked i searched .. i dug in .. i did it all but could not find an article of this nature regarding Vince Young or any1 else saying anything else

i belive it is just an Opinion ... dont know much about the VYOUNG days in football ... as i got into football after 03 ..and building my history and stats to it from then on ....

so hopefully what i say here aint offensive or hurtfull to anyone

peace

 

[ZB9]

Substitute "because of this situation" and insert "because of his lack of progress as a passer, and lack of the mental makeup to succeed as a franchise QB" and revisit the statement. Doesn't sound so outrageous anymore, does it?

Whether or not they're 100% done with him NOW is pretty irrelevant. As in, if they're not 100% done with him now, they will be sooner than later. It's clear that they're running out of patience.

It's year 3 and he's shown no growth as a passer and no maturation as an NFL starting QB. He's not making a quantum leap anytime soon. They've tried to build a contender around an immature thin-skinned kid who happens to be one of the very worst passers in the NFL (among non-rookie starters) and it's not working... not even with an outstanding defense and run game. He'll hold them back for as long as he is their starting QB, and I'm sure the coaching staff realizes this.

But he's a high-priced high draft pick who sells tickets and jersey sales... so therein lies the quandary. They didn't call Michael Vick a "coach killer" for nothing.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Titans offense will be in better hands with Kerry Collins behind center. None.

I doubt you have watched him play much...not that you would know what you were looking at if you had

 

[Nav22]

I doubt you have watched him play much...not that you would know what you were looking at if you had

I doubt you've ever watched him play through unbiased eyes, Longhorn fan.

A couple things I look for are accuracy and sound decision-making in the pocket. Vince possesses neither of these traits. Never has, never will.

What do YOU look for, 'Horns fan?

 

[The Ominous]

I can't believe that Young's first start and Romo's first snap came in the same game. And I was there...

I have a video of me screaming, "Where's Kerry Collins?"

It seems I wasn't so far off from a future reality.

 

[Nav22]

I have a video of me screaming, "Where's Kerry Collins?"

I bet his teammates are privately asking the same thing. They scored 30+ points once last season, and it came in Kerry's only start.

That's pretty cool that you were able to see Tony's first snap live. I missed his first TD pass because CBS switched to another game near the end of the Cowboys-Texans rout.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Pretty much every high draft pick that played in that UT vs. USC National Champonship game has turned out to be a bust. Bush, VY, Leinart, Huff, Winston Justice, Darnell Bing, LenDale White, Dewayne Jarrett The only one that looks like he's going to be an above average NFL starter is Deuce Lutui.

 

[Clove]

I was one that took up for him coming out, and thought he had what it took, but just like hundreds of other QB busts, he's on the list as well apparently.

 

[Paniolo22]

I've said this a million times... young QB's should sit on the bench for 2+ years. And this is a prime example of why I feel that way.


You start Vince Young too soon you've got a QB with his confidence shattered and with too much learning going on to focus on the little things.


You start a Steve McNair after 2+ years on the bench and you end up with an MVP.



Fisher was freakin' DUMB to start Vince Young as a rookie.

Agree 100%. Let the damn kids learn the game, put them in in garbage time. These guys have a much better chance of succeeding. Rivers, Palmer, McNair, Romo all sat. Then they are more prepared mentally and physically to handle all of the crap.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I've said this a million times... young QB's should sit on the bench for 2+ years. And this is a prime example of why I feel that way.


You start Vince Young too soon you've got a QB with his confidence shattered and with too much learning going on to focus on the little things.


You start a Steve McNair after 2+ years on the bench and you end up with an MVP.



Fisher was freakin' DUMB to start Vince Young as a rookie.

Yep. The list of QB's that have made it by just being thrown to the wolves immediately is now .. what? ... three in the last 20 years? It's especially stupid when you throw rookies out there like Young and Alex Smith who you knew were raw and not ready to run an NFL offense right away when you drafted them.

 

[Hailmary]

Vince should maybe consider taking the year off and coming back as a wide receiver.

And this isn't one of those standard let's convert a black QB into a WR post. I just think that he lacks the mental fortitude to be an effective QB in this league. This would take some of the spotlight and burdens of being a QB off of him and in the long run, I think it would best for his longevity in the league (if that's something that he wants).

So take the year off. Lose a few pounds. Bring in Simms and hope things will work itself out in 2009 and beyond.

 

[Hailmary]

The list of NFL busts that played in that USC vs. UT National Championship is staggering. Bush, Young, Leinart, Huff, Jarrett, Justice, Bing.

I'm not ready to call Bush a bust yet (he had 150+ yds from scrimmage the other day), and Leinart may be a late bloomer.....but yeah, the others haven't been very impressive.

Come to think of it, it's been a while since a Texas player has lived up to his billing.

 

[ZB9]

geez did any of you even watch the Jags game? He didnt play particularly well, but they do have one of the best defenses in the league. He didnt play terrible either. Garrard didnt play any better this game. The only real issue from the game was the sideline incident and the injury.

fyi, the Titans won the game

anyway, here is a video and balanced analysis from the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qztgJRTqnls&fmt=18

• 1st pass well thrown, Def Pass Interference
• 2nd, pocket collapse
• 2nd quarter interception was just damn awful decision. When he gets pressure like that he should scramble
• Deep ball to JMac.. what’s up with the “Jazz hands”?? Why isn’t he running all out? He looks like Shrek. That’s a catchable ball for a human imo..
• 3rd and 8 drop by Gage is just shameful. Essentially a turnover as that forced the punt
• Double coverage toss to the endzone poor choice by VY
• TD pass was almost uncatchable. Kudos to the rookie for saving the play
• 2nd and 8, VY has golden opp w/ Gage open on the sideline and overthrows
• 3rd quarter toss to JMac.. .hit right in the hands.. some contact, but Jmac need catch those - This is the NFL
• Young does not time his throws well as he overthrows CJ
• PERFECT pitch and catch to Jmac on 1st and 10 called back by Off Pass Int.
• 4th quarter pick was just a bizarre, amazing play by the DE
• VY makes a great throw to avoid the rush and finally gets good YAC yards from Scaife.
• Last play before VY gets hurt, he make s another great play under pressure guess what? Another Titanic drop.

Overall, VY’s feet look much better. He overthrows more than underthrows and I guess that’s better than the alternative, but needs to work on timing. Receivers got a little more separation, but the drops still exist and on 3rd down, that’s a killer. Player of the game (After CJ) is Bo Scaife. Hes the only other guy that could catch anything AND try to run afterwards…

 

[Hailmary]

geez did any of you even watch the Jags game? He didnt play particularly well, but they do have one of the best defenses in the league. He didnt play terrible either. Garrard didnt play any better this game. The only real issue from the game was the sideline incident and the injury.

anyway, here is a video and balanced analysis from the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qztgJRTqnls&fmt=18

• 1st pass well thrown, Def Pass Interference
• 2nd, pocket collapse.
• 2nd quarter interception was just damn awful
• Deep ball to JMac.. what’s up with the “Jazz hands”?? Why isn’t he running all out? He looks like Shrek. That’s a catchable ball for a human imo..
• 3rd and 8 drop by Gage is just shameful. Essentially a turnover as that forced the punt
• Double coverage toss to the endzone poor choice by VY
• TD pass was almost uncatchable. Kudos to the rookie for saving the play
• 2nd and 8, VY has golden opp w/ Gage open on the sideline and overthrows
• 3rd quarter toss to JMac.. .hit right in the hands.. some contact, but Jmac need catch those - This is the NFL
• Young does not time his throws well as he overthrows CJ
• PERFECT pitch and catch to Jmac on 1st and 10 called back by Off Pass Int.
• 4th quarter pick was just a bizarre, amazing play by the DE
• VY makes a great throw to avoid the rush and finally gets good YAC yards from Scaife.
• Last play before VY gets hurt, he make s another great play under pressure guess what? Another Titanic drop.

Overall, VY’s feet look much better. He overthrows more than underthrows and I guess that’s better than the alternative, but needs to work on timing. Receivers got a little more separation, but the drops still exist and on 3rd down, that’s a killer. Player of the game (After CJ) is Bo Scaife. Hes the only other guy that could catch anything AND try to run afterwards…

I don't think people are questioning his physical abilities as a QB, but rather if his head is screwed on right enough for it.

 

[ZB9]

I don't think people are questioning his physical abilities as a QB, but rather if his head is screwed on right enough for it.

I agree that his maturity and mental state is the issue, even though I would bet that is being overblown. Listening to Jeff Fisher on NFL live today, it sure seems to be overblown...although Fisher always steps up for his guys. He does seem to like the fact that Young actually cares, and that he is such a competitor.

anyway, I posted that video because I doubt many of the folks in this thread that are jumping on that "he's a bust after game one in his 3rd season" bandwagon have even watched the kid play.

 

[BuckyG]

Vince has it, he just does. I am glad he doesn't play here but he has it. Only a football "it" though, vince can't do a damn thing else. If he is stupid enough to think he can make it outside of football, let him try.

Good athletes have all the desired skills in a good manual laborer, and I need some holes dug.

He had college football "it." He's shown very little at the professional level to indicate he has what it takes to succeed at quarterback. Great athlete, sure. So was Bobby Douglass.

 

[Aikbach]

The Texans don't look so foolish for passing on Young, Bush and Leinhart now; I was among those that thought they should've gone with Bush and Young and must confess I was wrong.

 

[Rack]

Yep. The list of QB's that have made it by just being thrown to the wolves immediately is now .. what? ... three in the last 20 years? It's especially stupid when you throw rookies out there like Young and Alex Smith who you knew were raw and not ready to run an NFL offense right away when you drafted them.

What's messed up is people use the "argument" that they're high picks and that they need to play sooner cuz of all the money invested.

These guys are choosing where to be picked, and being paid more money isn't going to speed up their development.

In the end, teams end up wasting more money by playing them too soon then if they were to sit them for 2 years and let them learn as much as they can learn from the bench.


Look at how many QBs that had a great deal of physical talent turned into busts, possilby/probably from being put in the game too soon:

It's really too soon to tell for the 2006 draft, but Leinart and Young are already looking like "Busts". Young, IMO, had an incredible amount of talent, not even including his mobility. The dude probably never threw a pass in college with correct mechanics but he still showed incredible arm strenght. What would 2 years of working on his mechanics (among other things) have done for him at this point?


2005:

Alex Smith

*Aaron Rodgers looks pretty solid so far, and he got to learn from the bench.

Jason Campbell - they started off with him on the bench, then still played him as a rookie.

Charlie Frye - I really thought he has something, but he needed AT LEAST 2 years on the bench. Started him way too soon and he got shell shocked.

2004:

Rivers - Sat for a year. One more would have done him better, but he's still solid at this point.

Eli - Yeah, he "won" a superbowl. Everyone knows it was a fluke and he is an average at best QB. Take away his stats he gets from throwing to Plexiglass and he's a HORRIBLE QB.

Big Ben - "Won" a superbowl early but they had a great defense and the best rushing offense in the NFL (not necessarily statistically). He was a bus driver for that superbowl. That said, evne though he started too soon, he's starting to look like a really good QB. He's one of the rare exceptions though.

Lostman- he started too soon, but to be honest, I don't think 5 years on the bench could have made that homo a good QB.

Shaub- sat behind their starting RB, Michael Vick. He probably would have benefited even more by sitting behind and actual QB, but being on the bench still helped him a bit, although he played a little early.

2003:

Palmer-#1 pick in the draft sat a whole year behind Kitna (he only threw 25 passes as a rookie). When he's healthy he's one of the best in the game. Needs a better team around him though cuz the bengals have no defense and their OL sucks.


Leftwich- AMAZING passer... ruined cuz he played too soon.

Boller- Played too soon, Ravens already gave up on him.

Grossman- played too soon, then got hurt. He ended up not playing a lot cuz of his injuries, but that's not the same as sitting on the bench and learning. You can't learn when you're rehabbing all the time. He may have been ruined before he even got to the NFL... thanks to Steve Spurrier.

Chris Simms- great physical talent, sat on the bench early. Showed signs when he did play... then got a career threatening injury. Still don't know what'll happen with him.

2002:

David Carr- played too soon. Ruined.

Joey Harrington- played too soon. Ruined.

Patrick Ramsey- played too soon. Ruined (and I'm glad).

*David Garrard- sat on the bench. Is a pretty solid QB now. Didn't play good in week 1 this year, but had a 102 QB rating last year, and has an 86 career QB rating.

2001:

Mike Vick- they tried to sit him, but he needed AT LEAST two years on the bench before seeing the field (as a QB). Ruined.

Drew Brees- sat on the bench (threw 15 passes as a rookie) and has turned into a pretty good QB.

Quincy Carter - (Oh no, I diin't). Whether you thought he could ever be worth a crap or not, I think everyone agrees he needed to sit on the bench for AT LEAST 2 years before seeing the field. He had some serious mechanical flaws, not to mention tons of other things that needed work. Jerry Jones made a huge mistake cutting Tony Banks cuz Banks gave us a better chance to win and it would of allowed us to sit QC. That's all I'll say about that.

2000:

Chad Pennington- sat on the bench, and when he finally played he played like an All-Pro. Hasn't been the same since his first injury, but he's still a solid QB (not great).

*Marc Bulger- 6th round pick that sat on the bench early. He's solid now, and when he's hot, he can put up some amazing numbers. His problem is durability.

 

[Rack]

The Texans don't look so foolish for passing on Young, Bush and Leinhart now; I was among those that thought they should've gone with Bush and Young and must confess I was wrong.

They would have been fine going with Young... if they sat him for 2 years and worked on his mechanics.

 

[Clove]

What's messed up is people use the "argument" that they're high picks and that they need to play sooner cuz of all the money invested.

These guys are choosing where to be picked, and being paid more money isn't going to speed up their development.

In the end, teams end up wasting more money by playing them too soon then if they were to sit them for 2 years and let them learn as much as they can learn from the bench.


Look at how many QBs that had a great deal of physical talent turned into busts, possilby/probably from being put in the game too soon:

It's really too soon to tell for the 2006 draft, but Leinart and Young are already looking like "Busts". Young, IMO, had an incredible amount of talent, not even including his mobility. The dude probably never threw a pass in college with correct mechanics but he still showed incredible arm strenght. What would 2 years of working on his mechanics (among other things) have done for him at this point?


2005:

Alex Smith

*Aaron Rodgers looks pretty solid so far, and he got to learn from the bench.

Jason Campbell - they started off with him on the bench, then still played him as a rookie.

Charlie Frye - I really thought he has something, but he needed AT LEAST 2 years on the bench. Started him way too soon and he got shell shocked.

2004:

Rivers - Sat for a year. One more would have done him better, but he's still solid at this point.

Eli - Yeah, he "won" a superbowl. Everyone knows it was a fluke and he is an average at best QB. Take away his stats he gets from throwing to Plexiglass and he's a HORRIBLE QB.

Big Ben - "Won" a superbowl early but they had a great defense and the best rushing offense in the NFL (not necessarily statistically). He was a bus driver for that superbowl. That said, evne though he started too soon, he's starting to look like a really good QB. He's one of the rare exceptions though.

Lostman- he started too soon, but to be honest, I don't think 5 years on the bench could have made that homo a good QB.

Shaub- sat behind their starting RB, Michael Vick. He probably would have benefited even more by sitting behind and actual QB, but being on the bench still helped him a bit, although he played a little early.

2003:

Palmer-#1 pick in the draft sat a whole year behind Kitna (he only threw 25 passes as a rookie). When he's healthy he's one of the best in the game. Needs a better team around him though cuz the bengals have no defense and their OL sucks.


Leftwich- AMAZING passer... ruined cuz he played too soon.

Boller- Played too soon, Ravens already gave up on him.

Grossman- played too soon, then got hurt. He ended up not playing a lot cuz of his injuries, but that's not the same as sitting on the bench and learning. You can't learn when you're rehabbing all the time. He may have been ruined before he even got to the NFL... thanks to Steve Spurrier.

Chris Simms- great physical talent, sat on the bench early. Showed signs when he did play... then got a career threatening injury. Still don't know what'll happen with him.

2002:

David Carr- played too soon. Ruined.

Joey Harrington- played too soon. Ruined.

Patrick Ramsey- played too soon. Ruined (and I'm glad).

*David Garrard- sat on the bench. Is a pretty solid QB now. Didn't play good in week 1 this year, but had a 102 QB rating last year, and has an 86 career QB rating.

2001:

Mike Vick- they tried to sit him, but he needed AT LEAST two years on the bench before seeing the field (as a QB). Ruined.

Drew Brees- sat on the bench (threw 15 passes as a rookie) and has turned into a pretty good QB.

Quincy Carter - (Oh no, I diin't). Whether you thought he could ever be worth a crap or not, I think everyone agrees he needed to sit on the bench for AT LEAST 2 years before seeing the field. He had some serious mechanical flaws, not to mention tons of other things that needed work. Jerry Jones made a huge mistake cutting Tony Banks cuz Banks gave us a better chance to win and it would of allowed us to sit QC. That's all I'll say about that.

2000:

Chad Pennington- sat on the bench, and when he finally played he played like an All-Pro. Hasn't been the same since his first injury, but he's still a solid QB (not great).

*Marc Bulger- 6th round pick that sat on the bench early. He's solid now, and when he's hot, he can put up some amazing numbers. His problem is durability.

I have to say this and don't take it wrong, but when you decide not to be a jerk, you are one of the most intelligent, amusing and talented posters this board has ever seen.