Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

ufcrules1 said:
He played a big role in his team winning the game and the QB gets the most glory when the team wins, especially on a drive like that. Conversely, the QB is going to get the most heat when he throws a game ending interception when he could have led the team down the field for the win. It's just the way it is. He was a part of the reason his team won in one of the games and he is a part of the reason his team lost in the other game.

With all of that said, a QB can be the main reason a team loses (Washington 2012) and the main reason a team wins (Washington 2013).

I think you can agree with everything I have said here right?
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Sure we can agree on that. I've said since my first post in the thread that deserves an appropriate share of the blame, and an appropriate share of the credit, dependent upon the end result. My biggest problem is people who totally disregard the positive because of the negative. For every two games where Romo had a significant share of the blame for a loss, there are four where he deserves a significant amount of credit for a win.
 
ufcrules1 said:
He was part of the reason the "team" lost. He was not the only reason the team lost but he was part of it. Even though he had a huge stat game up until that point doesn't dissolve him from the role he played in them losing. Can we agree on that?
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I said it earlier in the thread. As heartbreaking as the INT was, that QB performance every week gets you to 14-2 at worst.

We talk about it like we pick at a scab, with the intellectual gain being about the same.
 
rpntex said:
Sure we can agree on that. I've said since my first post in the thread that deserves an appropriate share of the blame, and an appropriate share of the credit, dependent upon the end result. My biggest problem is people who totally disregard the positive because of the negative. For every two games where Romo had a significant share of the blame for a loss, there are four where he deserves a significant amount of credit for a win.
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Well, if he can just learn to play better in the win and you're in/playoff games(Which I don't think he can) he will start getting a whole lot more credit and respect. In my opinion he is on the down side of his career and he isn't going to get any better, he will only decline from here.
 
ufcrules1 said:
Well, if he can just learn to play better in the win and you're in/playoff games(Which I don't think he can) he will start getting a whole lot more credit and respect. In my opinion he is on the down side of his career and he isn't going to get any better, he will only decline from here.
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Part of the problem is that so many of those have been in road situations. Romo is 0-5 in elimination games on the road, which there is obviously no silver lining in. However, a road elimination game in and of it self is a disastrous situation to be in. Aikman was 1-4 in those games. Montana was 2-5. Steve Young was 0-3. Brady is 3-3. Peyton is 2-5. Favre is 3-7. Marino was 1-6. In fact, Bart Starr (2-1) and Roger Staubach (5-1) are the only QBs in the Hall of Fame with road playoff records above .500. The biggest need for me for The Cowboys is to get a more complete game that can put themselves in a more likely to succeed scenario come playoff time.
 
percyhoward said:
I said it earlier in the thread. As heartbreaking as the INT was, that QB performance every week gets you to 14-2 at worst.

We talk about it like we pick at a scab, with the intellectual gain being about the same.
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Yup, he played the best game of his whole career and then found a way to choke at the end. He gets credit for playing the best game of his whole career and he gets some of the blame for the loss too.

I agree about the intellectual gain being non existent when you and I talk about our opinions on it, however, I feel other fans here do actually get some intellectual gain from it when they read our posts.
 
Nation said:
Part of the problem is that so many of those have been in road situations. Romo is 0-5 in elimination games on the road, which there is obviously no silver lining in. However, a road elimination game in and of it self is a disastrous situation to be in. Aikman was 1-4 in those games. Montana was 2-5. Steve Young was 0-3. Brady is 3-3. Peyton is 2-5. Favre is 3-7. Marino was 1-6. In fact, Bart Starr (2-1) and Roger Staubach (5-1) are the only QBs in the Hall of Fame with road playoff records above .500. The biggest need for me for The Cowboys is to get a more complete game that can put themselves in a more likely to succeed scenario come playoff time.
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I see what you're saying but just about all of those games were winnable. Or even if we didn't win the games, he could have played better in them. At the end of the day it is hard to explain away a 1-7 record in all of those games.
 
ufcrules1 said:
Yup, he played the best game of his whole career and then found a way to choke at the end. He gets credit for playing the best game of his whole career and he gets some of the blame for the loss too.

I agree about the intellectual gain being non existent when you and I talk about our opinions on it, however, I feel other fans here do actually get some intellectual gain from it when they read our posts.
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Our posts? lmao If you think you are intellectually teaching us something, you are wrong! Percyhoward, I can agree on...you? Yeah, right...!

Hey, but you did brag about changing 5 posters to your way of thinking...out of the thousands that read this forum.

You have me on ignore....but I put this out here anyway.
 
DFWJC said:
I can't recall if it was 3rd and 16 or 2nd and 16...I think the latter though.
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That was a question I'd typed out, but then I looked at the down/distance markers and decided to delete it. If it was third down, he was still going short of the marker and into triple coverage. Anything less than third down that would convert at the point it was caught, and it's not even worth the chance.

Now, I know QBs trust their arms and force balls into coverage all the time, which is just what Romo did here. But with a player cutting across the coverage at nearly the same depth....you gotta take that, every time. He just didn't see him. And Tyron Smith getting pushed back didn't help, but that's still a mistake by the QB in my book.
 
5Stars said:
Our posts? lmao If you think you are intellectually teaching us something, you are wrong! Percyhoward, I can agree on...you? Yeah, right...!

Hey, but you did brag about changing 5 posters to your way of thinking...out of the thousands that read this forum.

You have me on ignore....but I put this out here anyway.
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If ufc can see your posts, you're a nobody on here!:)
 
Idgit said:
That was a question I'd typed out, but then I looked at the down/distance markers and decided to delete it. If it was third down, he was still going short of the marker and into triple coverage. Anything less than third down that would convert at the point it was caught, and it's not even worth the chance.

Now, I know QBs trust their arms and force balls into coverage all the time, which is just what Romo did here. But with a player cutting across the coverage at nearly the same depth....you gotta take that, every time. He just didn't see him. And Tyron Smith getting pushed back didn't help, but that's still a mistake by the QB in my book.
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Murray was on the 16 or 17 yard line and Escobar)?( was on the 30 or 31. So, I think Murray was 8-10 yards closer and Escobar was very close tot he 1st down. But in either case, I agree that he could have gone one progression further and hit Murray and maybe lived for 1 more down. The one thing we know for sure is he knew he had to get a 1st down or we would lose....amazingly (hopelessly?) Denver did not punt once the entire game, so any possession for them meant points.

Really the comment earlier about us picking a scab on one of the best played QB games of the year is true. We could find way better places to pick on Tony if that was our goal.
 
DFWJC said:
I think Murray was nearly 8-10 yards closer. But in either case, I agree that he could have gone one progression further and hit Murray and maybe lived for 1 more down. The one thing we know for sure is he knew he had to get a 1st down or we would lose....amazingly (hopelessly?) Denver did not punt once the entire game, so any possession for them meant points.
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See...this is another point made...Denver did not punt one freaking time in this game, yet Romo had them on the ropes until that fated INT by trying to win the game. If the defense had made Denver punt at least 3 times, the Cowboys win that game, period!
 
dallasfan4lizife said:
Let me ask you a question...have you ever heard of prevent defense?
Do you know what a QB rating looks like against a prevent defense?
When does a team play prevent defense? 4th quarter. Our team plays from behind plain and simple.

I want to see the stats of Romo when the game is on the line with 5 minutes left in the game. That is the "clutch" stat most people in the NFL refer too. And believe me, Romo's is nothing special.

All you guys have is the stats argument...where are the results?? Stats can be manipulated in any which way to make a bad situation look much better.
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and obviously so can one player's blame for a whole loss :cool:
 
DFWJC said:
Murray was on the 16 or 17 yard line and Escobar)?( was on the 30 or 31. So, I think Murray was 8-10 yards closer and Escobar was very close tot he 1st down. But in either case, I agree that he could have gone one progression further and hit Murray and maybe lived for 1 more down. The one thing we know for sure is he knew he had to get a 1st down or we would lose....amazingly (hopelessly?) Denver did not punt once the entire game, so any possession for them meant points.

Really the comment earlier about us picking a scab on one of the best played QB games of the year is true. We could find way better places to pick on Tony if that was our goal.
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Oh. I'm not picking on Tony for that game. He was amazing. He just made a bad read and not a good enough throw into coverage on that play. It was also a really good defensive play, btw.
 
EST_1986 said:
I know the Cowboys have been disappointing for a solid 20 years so I get that you're trying to make it better by saying look at these stats, wow the stats are great. But did we have a QB that took over and won in the clutch?
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Vs the Commanders last year????????? If we lose that Philly clinches
 
5Stars said:
See...this is another point made...Denver did not punt one freaking time in this game, yet Romo had them on the ropes until that fated INT by trying to win the game. If the defense had made Denver punt at least 3 times, the Cowboys win that game, period!
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Actually, seeing that Dallas only punted once, odds are good they win if Demver just punts once...or twice at the most.
 
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