Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

[percyhoward]

Exactly. The deal is sometimes it doesn't matter what happened the rest of the game.

Explain how that works.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

EDIT: And Commanders in 2008 on the road in November.

Giants in 2006 on the road in December.

Carolina on the road in 2006. Carolina finished 8-8 and were 4-3 going into that game. We outscored them 25-0 in the 4th to win by 21.

That's 9 of his 23 combined 4th qtr comebacks and game winning drives. Or roughly 40%. The theory that all of his comebacks and game winning drives are against terrible teams is malarkey too.

He is now about to hit you with magic qualifiers. Has to be winning record (as if record means anything in a league with unbalanced schedules). Then can only be 16-0 opponent. Then not just any game. Big pressure, do or die, all on the line, super elimination, when the lights shine bright, when it matters most games only, etc. has to be 5 minutes or less left. Then 4. Then 3. Then 2. Then 1 second left on the clock.

 

[Califan007]

EDIT: And Commanders in 2008 on the road in November.

The 2008 Commanders were not a good team, and that win was not a comeback lol...I think Barber ran for like the last 7 minutes of that game anyway.

Over the last three seasons, the Cowboys are 3-17 against teams with winning records. That probably means that Romo hasn't had too many comeback wins against good teams, at least lately.

 

[Califan007]

Explain how that works.

Look at Andrew Luck his rookie season.

Stinks it up in several games, but keeps orchestrating game-winning drives in the waning minutes..."This kid is really good!"

Romo shines for most of the game, then throws an INT in the waning minutes, sealing a defeat..."He's the only reason the Cowboys were in the game to begin with."

I'm guessing that fans of most teams would prefer having the former over the latter.

 

[Califan007]

^^4-17 record, not 3-17...

 

[DFWJC]

If you give me Andrew Luck right now at his age. Uh yes, I'll take him all day. Don't many would say otherwise.

 

[Califan007]

If you give me Andrew Luck right now at his age. Uh yes, I'll take him all day. Don't many would say otherwise.

I wasn't meaning specifically taking Luck over Romo, I meant the scenarios of having a QB who doesn't play all that great during a lot of the game but has a knack of pulling out the victory with all the pressure on him at the end of games, vs having a QB who does play great during a lot of the game but a few times too often makes a mistake/turnover with all the pressure on him at the end of games.

 

[DFWJC]

I wasn't meaning specifically taking Luck over Romo, I meant the scenarios of having a QB who doesn't play all that great during a lot of the game but has a knack of pulling out the victory with all the pressure on him at the end of games, vs having a QB who does play great during a lot of the game but a few times too often makes a mistake/turnover with all the pressure on him at the end of games.

Yeah. In his short career, Luck has had a knack for pulling out some nice 4th qtr rallies.
His 4th qtr comeback rate is right on par with Romo's....maybe even slightly ahead of him.

 

[Califan007]

Yeah. In his short career, Luck has had a knack for pulling out some nice 4th qtr rallies.
His 4th qtr comeback rate is right on par with Romo's....maybe even slightly ahead of him.

What's his choke rate? On par with Romo's? lol

 

[ufcrules1]

I wasn't meaning specifically taking Luck over Romo, I meant the scenarios of having a QB who doesn't play all that great during a lot of the game but has a knack of pulling out the victory with all the pressure on him at the end of games, vs having a QB who does play great during a lot of the game but a few times too often makes a mistake/turnover with all the pressure on him at the end of games.

Yeah, this is a pretty good illustration of what I was talking about.

 

[burmafrd]

Explain how that works.

whichever way he can twist it to make Romo look bad.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Maybe we should looking at why every 2nd half possesion of every game is momentous . Would it kill anyone else on the team to help Him put a game away?

 

[DFWJC]

What's his choke rate? On par with Romo's? lol

most likely

 

[ufcrules1]

Maybe we should looking at why every 2nd half possesion of every game is momentous . Would it kill anyone else on the team to help Him put a game away?

We can blame Garrett for letting him throw the ball when they should be running it. They put too much trust in him.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

We can blame Garrett for letting him throw the ball when they should be running it. They put too much trust in him.

If he has "the most chokes" and the most comeback drives wouldn't that simply Indicate his late game / close game opportunities are more than anyone else's ?

What happened to romos nerves against Denver that didn't happen week 16 in washington ?

 

[DFWJC]

If he has "the most chokes" and the most comeback drives wouldn't that simply Indicate his late game / close game opportunities are more than anyone else's ?

What happened to romos nerves against Denver that didn't happen week 16 in washington ?

He did nothing wrong in that Denver game anyway.
Had his foot stepped on, clearly, and still threw a ball that required a spectacular diving crab by the DB for the pick. Romo was brilliant in that game.
He's had an occasional game you could point a finger, but that certainly was not one of them.

 

[gbrittain]

He is now about to hit you with magic qualifiers. Has to be winning record (as if record means anything in a league with unbalanced schedules). Then can only be 16-0 opponent. Then not just any game. Big pressure, do or die, all on the line, super elimination, when the lights shine bright, when it matters most games only, etc. has to be 5 minutes or less left. Then 4. Then 3. Then 2. Then 1 second left on the clock.

I am still stuck trying to figure out what the difference is between beating a "good" team and a bad "team" with whatever amount of time remaining since supporting cast does not matter??? If it matters that the other team is "good" or not, it would stand to reason that one should assess whether Romo has a "good" team or not...but as we know when it comes to Romo the rest of the team does not matter. It only matters for the other team. I swear...

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

He did nothing wrong in that Denver game anyway.
Had his foot stepped on, clearly, and still threw a ball that required a spectacular diving crab by the DB for the pick. Romo was brilliant in that game.
He's had an occasional game you could point a finger, but that certainly was not one of them.

He did nothing wrong in that Denver game anyway.
Had his foot stepped on, clearly, and still threw a ball that required a spectacular diving crab by the DB for the pick. Romo was brilliant in that game.
He's had an occasional game you could point a finger, but that certainly was not one of them.

I would agree with that, because the larger evidence suggests he's plenty capable of finishing that drive. In fact we had a chance to get the ball back but couldn't stop them. Had we given him another chance I get he would've tied it and won in OT and end up with like 9 td's and 700 yards.

So what does that tell me? That he's put In These situations an inordinate amount of times. And that's not meant to be a "poor tony". It's just stepping back and viewing the entirety of his career as a whole. He doesn't **** his pants bc he's scared one week then wrote a movie ending the next week because he's not skittish all of the sudden.

Law of averages. They wasted his career with poor talent and coaching. And also if he could've held onto a snap maybe they have a Super Bowl right now . Parcells was dying to get a chance at the bears that year.

 

[ufcrules1]

If he has "the most chokes" and the most comeback drives wouldn't that simply Indicate his late game / close game opportunities are more than anyone else's ?

Maybe so, but is he a part of the problem for that too? Does he play well early in games to avoid having to make an amazing comeback? Or does he not play well early and is part of why they have to make a comeback? Maybe Percy can answer that question?

What happened to romos nerves against Denver that didn't happen week 16 in washington ?

Going into the game against Denver I think Romo and the rest of the world felt the Cowboys had little chance to win, so it actually took some pressure off of him since everyone was expecting a loss anyway. Then as the game goes on and he is playing very well against a horrible defense who were missing key starters, it really builds up his confidence. So much so that his brain stopped working at the end and he throws into coverage to a rookie vs taking an easy dump pass to wide open Murray who had nobody around him and could have picked up the first.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

So much so that his brain stopped working at the end and he throws into coverage to a rookie vs taking an easy dump pass to wide open Murray who had nobody around him and could have picked up the first.

I always wanted to know how Helen Keller would have saw that play.