RG III vs Johnny

[Longboysfan]

Who would you rather sign as a backup? Post your choice and what they bring to the table.
RG III:
While not the best defense reader he can extend plays and get plus yardage with his feet. Similar to Romo, but not as good.
Running alone - he has lost the top level speed he could get to from early in his career.
Passing alone not the best.
Team player - still up in the air as a starter. How he handles back up role and tries to learn is up in the air.
I feel either he quit on the Commanders when he was not starter or they both quit on each other.
Team Chemistry - he will not disrupt team by being out at party central every night.

Johnny:
Reading defenses still up in the air - needs more time in system and on field.
Can extend plays with feet. Very close to Romo in this regard.
Passing alone - needs work and better talent around him. With this O line he would prosper.
In Cleveland he was hit or miss come game day.
Team Chemistry - This will be one big distraction throughout the year with the stories in the press.

My vote would to see what RG III has to offer in training camp. And go from there.
Johnny and the circus - Pass on it.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Not to derail your thread but I rather have Colt McCoy and a Rookie First Rounder. So if Romo can't answer the bell then at least We'll be competitive and the Rook can sit at least a year.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Similar question: "Who should be our quarterback: RGIII or your drunk cousin?"

 

[CATCH17]

If Johnny just didn't have the circus that followed i'd go with him but I think you have to go with RG3 between the 2.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Depends weather I want a 5 dollar footlong or a bender in Vegas.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Ugh, will it ever end?

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[JoeKing]

Ugh, will it ever end?

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I HATE YOU!!!!!

 

[superonyx]

I've seen nothing from Manzeil that makes me think he can ever be a good QB at this level.
The same criticism before he was drafted still applies only now he had a few extra years of immaturity and a stint in rehab. Even dismissing the off field garbage, I don't see a pro skill set with him. His nice plays have almost all come from extending the play and playing sandlot football. Not exactly the recipe for success in the NFL.

RG3 can still run but he is very fragile and he shouldn't run unless he has to.
His inability to read defenses and be a pocket QB hurts him as a franchise QB.

So my answer is neither. Not even as a backup. RG3 wants to play not sit the bench. Johnny would be a distraction and a progress stopper for a young QB and hasn't shown enough to say he is a quality backup.

 

[CATCH17]

I've seen nothing from Manzeil that makes me think he can ever be a good QB at this level.
The same criticism before he was drafted still applies only now he had a few extra years of immaturity and a stint in rehab. Even dismissing the off field garbage, I don't see a pro skill set with him. His nice plays have almost all come from extending the play and playing sandlot football. Not exactly the recipe for success in the NFL.

RG3 can still run but he is very fragile and he shouldn't run unless he has to.
His inability to read defenses and be a pocket QB hurts him as a franchise QB.

So my answer is neither. Not even as a backup. RG3 wants to play not sit the bench. Johnny would be a distraction and a progress stopper for a young QB and hasn't shown enough to say he is a quality backup.

They are still better than what else is out there.

I like the Colt McCoy idea. I think he would be a good fit because he buys time. His arm is a little weak though.


I feel like we have to have a improviser behind Romo. Someone that can make plays with their feet and do things outside of the system.

 

[BigStar]

Not to derail your thread but I rather have Colt McCoy and a Rookie First Rounder. So if Romo can't answer the bell then at least We'll be competitive and the Rook can sit at least a year.

Agree very much with this type of plan instead of the other two (Lynch/Wentz are raw and Goff will likely be gone unless we trade up) and would show that JJ gets it this time around (Aikman should have taught him that already). He's given the perfect opportunity to avoid this with the high pick and hope SJ can prove he has the influence to give fans some confidence in the FO again. It would allow the young QB to be welcomed into a top OL/top WR as a great foundation once his number is called.

 

[superonyx]

Ugh, will it ever end?

https://lh3.***BROKEN***/-KLsYxPfqbmE/VqtlTkUQDtI/AAAAAAAEspY/3sVJHDfxxAI/s346/17DNF.gif

Yea dude. That made me feel sick...I'm having a hard time recovering from it for some reason.

 

[LittleD]

Not to derail your thread but I rather have Colt McCoy and a Rookie First Rounder. So if Romo can't answer the bell then at least We'll be competitive and the Rook can sit at least a year.

Not a bad suggestion but, is Colt McCoy a FA or is it a sure thing that he will hit the market? I'm still not sure about a first round QB at #4 who
sits on the bench for 2 or 3 years. We need players who can help Romo and Witten get to a SB and I think that's what Jerry wants also.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Who would you rather sign as a backup? Post your choice and what they bring to the table.
RG III:
While not the best defense reader he can extend plays and get plus yardage with his feet. Similar to Romo, but not as good.
Running alone - he has lost the top level speed he could get to from early in his career.
Passing alone not the best.
Team player - still up in the air as a starter. How he handles back up role and tries to learn is up in the air.
I feel either he quit on the Commanders when he was not starter or they both quit on each other.
Team Chemistry - he will not disrupt team by being out at party central every night.

Johnny:
Reading defenses still up in the air - needs more time in system and on field.
Can extend plays with feet. Very close to Romo in this regard.
Passing alone - needs work and better talent around him. With this O line he would prosper.
In Cleveland he was hit or miss come game day.
Team Chemistry - This will be one big distraction throughout the year with the stories in the press.

My vote would to see what RG III has to offer in training camp. And go from there.
Johnny and the circus - Pass on it.

I would not touch manziel with a 10 ft pole. no, lets make it a 100 ft pole.

he has proven over and over again, he can't keep himself straight. he is not dedicated and he has been below average on the field. he has no future in the NFL except for whatever reason he gets the hype.

RG3 is much better candidate. he may have had a high opinion of himself. but he is dedicated, works hard. tries to prepare, and I think he is ready to step back and learn. much more talented. better leader. all of manziel's team mates quit on him. manziel is a loser in the NFL

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't want either...I just want that to be clear.

However to stay within the framework of the question and with the either or argument.

It has to be RGIII

RGIII might be known as RGMe but at least he humbled him self this past year after Cousins was named and earned the starting job. You did not hear much from him after it went down.
Johnny had to chance to come in and get the starting job (more due to injuries and the other QBs sucking) he gets the job and winds up going out and doing what he went to rehab to make people think he was going to quit doing.
Later when the coaches yet again let it be known that this was unacceptable and he "might" get another shot at starting...he goes out yet again and parties and blows that chance.
What does he do after they have all be came out said he would not be back...does he keep his nose clean and lay low so maybe another team will pick him up and think he has turned a corner...nope yet another video pops up with him out partying again.

It is not against the law to party. He is not on tape doing illegal activities and we know he is a young man...out of the way before someone tries to use that argument to defend him.

What is at stake however is his own reputation with NFL GMs, Owners and coaches.

So if you held a gun to my head and made me choose between the two...Give me the guy who is not going to continue to go out and not learn.

 

[CF74]

RG3 has more talent and potential. I'm just not sure if he's damaged goods because they played him while he was injured and made his situation worse...

 

[RW31]

Manziel is not even an option so this is a dumb discussion to even to have. Of course it's RG3. On the field and off the field he's far superior and more proven.

RG3 vs Kap..now we're talking. I'd still pick RG3 but at least Kap would be an option and one that some might prefer. I'd be cool with either.

 

[phildadon86]

I HATE YOU!!!!!

Yeah that totally wasnt cool, i almost just got kicked out of class lol.

 

[IAmLegend]

I'd rather re-sign Quincy Carter. Srs.

 

[DeaconMoss]

If JFF gets released, he will be a cowboy. JFF has a cannon for an arm, can make it through progressions in reads, and can scramble with the best of them. JFF issues are not on the field.

I dont think Griffin can get it done at QB, to be honest. Shanny ruined him. This year he was 3rd string behind McCoy and Cousins.

 

[Daillest88]

I don't want either...I just want that to be clear.

However to stay within the framework of the question and with the either or argument.

It has to be RGIII

RGIII might be known as RGMe but at least he humbled him self this past year after Cousins was named and earned the starting job. You did not hear much from him after it went down.
Johnny had to chance to come in and get the starting job (more due to injuries and the other QBs sucking) he gets the job and winds up going out and doing what he went to rehab to make people think he was going to quit doing.
Later when the coaches yet again let it be known that this was unacceptable and he "might" get another shot at starting...he goes out yet again and parties and blows that chance.
What does he do after they have all be came out said he would not be back...does he keep his nose clean and lay low so maybe another team will pick him up and think he has turned a corner...nope yet another video pops up with him out partying again.

It is not against the law to party. He is not on tape doing illegal activities and we know he is a young man...out of the way before someone tries to use that argument to defend him.

What is at stake however is his own reputation with NFL GMs, Owners and coaches.

So if you held a gun to my head and made me choose between the two...Give me the guy who is not going to continue to go out and not learn.

Couldn't agree more, rg3 will have a huge chip on his shoulder and wants to succeed more than anything.. Johnny boy? I don't know what he wants.