RG3 bust potential

[Califan007]

I have no control over what other Skins fans do and say, but it seems to have made quite an impact on you. What people say about Romo has nothing to do with RG3.

Also, this is a game we are talking about. Sports. Not sure everyone has to be an idiot or a "POS" just because they don't have the same wild opinions as you do.

Lighten up Francis, you're going to have a stroke

Did a Skins fan steal his girlfriend or something? lol...

 

[Yuma Cactus]

Crying racism is a tired and pathetic response. If you don't agree with my observation (the key to this sentence is "my") then so be it. Just stop with the hyperbole please.

 

[AmishGangsta]

Saying someone is crying about something is condescending. Most just countered your idea with ideas of their own. Also, i was throwing up a yellow flag and raising it is a question. Someone can say something that is questionable without being a racist.

I think people got your point the first seven or eight times you posted it, and most just ignored. You werent getting a response so you kept posting. Well, there you go you got your response, sorry that not everyone agrees with it.

Edit: posting from my phone, so if there are any spelling mistakes please spare me.

 

[Yuma Cactus]

Saying someone is crying about something is condescending. Most just countered your idea with ideas of their own. Also, i was throwing up a yellow flag and raising it is a question. Someone can say something that is questionable without being a racist.

I think people got your point the first seven or eight times you posted it, and most just ignored. You werent getting a response so you kept posting. Well, there you go you got your response, sorry that not everyone agrees with it.

Edit: posting from my phone, so if there are any spelling mistakes please spare me.

UH, OK.....lol

 

[landroverking]

I too don't think he will be a bust. But in the pro game size matters & RGIII is closer to Vick than Newton. The speed and size that an NFL player can bring just could end his playing time in any given game or season.
The other issue is ownership. How many coaching staffs will he have to play for under Synder?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

The cries of "racism" are very legit

Several reasons

1) The Vick/Newton comparisons. Completely lazy considering the type of player Griffin is compared to those 2.

2) The laughable obsession with style. You know who else was obsessed with style? Michael Jordan. Probably one of the most stylish athletes of the 20th century.

3) "The type of QB" RG3 is. A pocket passer that has the ability to run? A potential Steve Young clone in the same offense Steve Young won a Superbowl in?

Racism? It is clearly there

As for his actual bust potential? Lets explore ways people actually evaluate a QB

1) The skillset. Does he have the ability to make the required NFL throws? Yes it is clear RG3 does. Kellen Moore was a better college QB over a longer period of time, but he does not have the ability to make NFL throws

2) Physical build? 6-2 3/8, 223 lbs. In the same size class as Romo and Rodgers. Another check mark

3) Ability to process information? This is the hardest thing to evaluate and can never truly be evaluated until the player is in the huddle with NFL guys

This video makes me feel good. Very small sample size, of course

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts

4) Character/leadership/intangibles. Its rare to find someone who checks this box off as well as RG3. This isn't even a question

That is pre draft evaluation. Now, what makes a QB successful

1) Stable environment. Mike Shanahan will coach out his contract at minimum. Dan Snyder is not one who likes to, nor has the ability anymore to fire coaches with big contracts remaining. Zorn had one year, 3 million left. Norv's contract was up. With Marty landing in San Diego so quick Snyder was off the hook. Spurrier quit and Gibbs retired. So RG3 will have a stable organizational environment

2) Stable offense. See above. RG3 will be in the same system for at least 3 years, a system with boots and a deep to shallow passing game, both which accentuate his strong points (excellent deep ball accuracy, obvious athleticism)

3) Cast around him. Improved but still not great. As of this moment a B WR cast, until proven otherwise. A franchise left tackle. A running game to lean on, and a solid defense on the other side

4) The toughest one which you can never evaluate till the player shows up. Ability to learn an offense and process information. This we will find out soon enough

Can he bust? Of course he can, any player can bust. Do I think he will? No

 

[Bizwah]

The cries of "racism" are very legit

Several reasons

1) The Vick/Newton comparisons. Completely lazy considering the type of player Griffin is compared to those 2.2) The laughable obsession with style. You know who else was obsessed with style? Michael Jordan. Probably one of the most stylish athletes of the 20th century.

3) "The type of QB" RG3 is. A pocket passer that has the ability to run? A potential Steve Young clone in the same offense Steve Young won a Superbowl in?

Racism? It is clearly there

As for his actual bust potential? Lets explore ways people actually evaluate a QB

1) The skillset. Does he have the ability to make the required NFL throws? Yes it is clear RG3 does. Kellen Moore was a better college QB over a longer period of time, but he does not have the ability to make NFL throws

2) Physical build? 6-2 3/8, 223 lbs. In the same size class as Romo and Rodgers. Another check mark

3) Ability to process information? This is the hardest thing to evaluate and can never truly be evaluated until the player is in the huddle with NFL guys

This video makes me feel good. Very small sample size, of course

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts

4) Character/leadership/intangibles. Its rare to find someone who checks this box off as well as RG3. This isn't even a question

That is pre draft evaluation. Now, what makes a QB successful

1) Stable environment. Mike Shanahan will coach out his contract at minimum. Dan Snyder is not one who likes to, nor has the ability anymore to fire coaches with big contracts remaining. Zorn had one year, 3 million left. Norv's contract was up. With Marty landing in San Diego so quick Snyder was off the hook. Spurrier quit and Gibbs retired. So RG3 will have a stable organizational environment

2) Stable offense. See above. RG3 will be in the same system for at least 3 years, a system with boots and a deep to shallow passing game, both which accentuate his strong points (excellent deep ball accuracy, obvious athleticism)

3) Cast around him. Improved but still not great. As of this moment a B WR cast, until proven otherwise. A franchise left tackle. A running game to lean on, and a solid defense on the other side

4) The toughest one which you can never evaluate till the player shows up. Ability to learn an offense and process information. This we will find out soon enough

Can he bust? Of course he can, any player can bust. Do I think he will? No

Same type of thing goes on with every short, white WR. They're all compared to Wes Welker. Just ask Danny Coale.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Same type of thing goes on with every short, white WR. They're all compared to Wes Welker. Just ask Danny Coale.

Yup. Its lazy and it is racist. Type casting like that is racism. "Soft euros"
in the NHL and NBA stereotyping is that.

The constant Vick/Newton/Vince Young comparisons (when RG3 was quite different then all 3 of those QBs in college) is that

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I have no control over what other Skins fans do and say, but it seems to have made quite an impact on you. What people say about Romo has nothing to do with RG3.

Also, this is a game we are talking about. Sports. Not sure everyone has to be an idiot or a "POS" just because they don't have the same wild opinions as you do.

Lighten up Francis, you're going to have a stroke

Please don't quote Cobra. His posts suck, he has no ability to give and take without insults and I have had him on ignore for years now. He adds 0 to the conversation.

 

[Bluestang]

The question still remains...who will be RG3's Kendall Wright in DC?

 

[AmishGangsta]

The question still remains...who will be RG3's Kendall Wright in DC?

Probably this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVX-8EA5768

Wildcards: Hankerson, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBsUJk-jLA&feature=related) and going way out on a limb: Aldrick Robinson (no one knows who he is yet, but he's a little speed guy--much like Desean Jackson: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h7_TOY9og)

All of the Skins receivers are young, and they are all burners, can take a pass to the end zone quickly.
If you havn't heard of Hankerson, he is the guy that beat all of Michael Irvins records at the U.

 

[Dawgs0916]

Probably this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVX-8EA5768

Wildcards: Hankerson, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBsUJk-jLA&feature=related) and going way out on a limb: Aldrick Robinson (no one knows who he is yet, but he's a little speed guy--much like Desean Jackson: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-h7_TOY9og)

All of the Skins receivers are young, and they are all burners, can take a pass to the end zone quickly.
If you havn't heard of Hankerson, he is the guy that beat all of Michael Irvins records at the U.

Me and robert played against Aldrick in he playoffs on our way to state when he was at Waxahachie. Just a random fact. That doesn't happen too often to later end up on the same pro team.

 

[dcthug]

Great thread with a lot of opinions.I love the way the kid has that athletic arrogance about him. Keep the flash and keep the TD celebrations. I'll say that this is what keeps Jason C. from being an above average qb in the league. The guy needs some fire so people will want to follow his lead. RG seems to have that it factor to go with the GOD given talents.

RG has been named starter as of today. Guess no need in wasting time.
Can't wait to see the Skins and Boys get it on.

Hail to the Commanders

 

[The30YardSlant]

The cries of "racism" are very legit

Several reasons

1) The Vick/Newton comparisons. Completely lazy considering the type of player Griffin is compared to those 2.

2) The laughable obsession with style. You know who else was obsessed with style? Michael Jordan. Probably one of the most stylish athletes of the 20th century.

3) "The type of QB" RG3 is. A pocket passer that has the ability to run? A potential Steve Young clone in the same offense Steve Young won a Superbowl in?

Racism? It is clearly there

As for his actual bust potential? Lets explore ways people actually evaluate a QB

1) The skillset. Does he have the ability to make the required NFL throws? Yes it is clear RG3 does. Kellen Moore was a better college QB over a longer period of time, but he does not have the ability to make NFL throws

2) Physical build? 6-2 3/8, 223 lbs. In the same size class as Romo and Rodgers. Another check mark

3) Ability to process information? This is the hardest thing to evaluate and can never truly be evaluated until the player is in the huddle with NFL guys

This video makes me feel good. Very small sample size, of course

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts

4) Character/leadership/intangibles. Its rare to find someone who checks this box off as well as RG3. This isn't even a question

That is pre draft evaluation. Now, what makes a QB successful

1) Stable environment. Mike Shanahan will coach out his contract at minimum. Dan Snyder is not one who likes to, nor has the ability anymore to fire coaches with big contracts remaining. Zorn had one year, 3 million left. Norv's contract was up. With Marty landing in San Diego so quick Snyder was off the hook. Spurrier quit and Gibbs retired. So RG3 will have a stable organizational environment

2) Stable offense. See above. RG3 will be in the same system for at least 3 years, a system with boots and a deep to shallow passing game, both which accentuate his strong points (excellent deep ball accuracy, obvious athleticism)

3) Cast around him. Improved but still not great. As of this moment a B WR cast, until proven otherwise. A franchise left tackle. A running game to lean on, and a solid defense on the other side

4) The toughest one which you can never evaluate till the player shows up. Ability to learn an offense and process information. This we will find out soon enough

Can he bust? Of course he can, any player can bust. Do I think he will? No

If anything it's based on past precedent, not racism. Historically black QBs play a different style at QB, a style which has had limited success in the NFL. The majority of black QBs that have been drafted into the NFL have been known as athletic runners (Cunningham, McNair, Stewart, McNabb, Young, Vick, Newton, Carter, Jackson, Campbell, Garrard, Smith, Webb, Wallace, Taylor, Pryor, Dixon, etc.) and many of them had limited abilities as passers, especially early in their careers. Outside of a few exceptions (Moon being the most obvious example), most well-known black QBs have be been better runners than their white counterparts and often played in college offenses that didn't develop their passing skills as thoroughly. Griffin is different in that he is a better passer our of college than guys like Vick and Newton, but he is still known by many as the touted track star who runs a 4.3 and spent his first year as a big time runner at Baylor.

I do think it's interesting that nobody ever brings up racism when the issue goes the other way. A white cornerback hasnt started an NFL game in 14 years. I can count the number of white running backs on one hand, and Toby Geirhart was drafted lower than he should have been because he is white. Across the board, white athletes in many sports are relegated to the positions that require less athleticism (basketball being a prime example). Do I have a problem with this? No, because on the whole black athletes have superior athleticism due to increased fast-twitch muscle tissue. Just pointing out the double standard.

 

[godeep]

Hall Of Fame BUST for sure.

 

[DFWJC]

I do think it's interesting that nobody ever brings up racism when the issue goes the other way. A white cornerback hasnt started an NFL game in 14 years. I can count the number of white running backs on one hand, and Toby Geirhart was drafted lower than he should have been because he is white. Across the board, white athletes in many sports are relegated to the positions that require less athleticism (basketball being a prime example). Do I have a problem with this? No, because on the whole black athletes have superior athleticism due to increased fast-twitch muscle tissue. Just pointing out the double standard.

It's just useless trivia, but in JrHS (very diverse ethnically) I was the fastest guy with highest vertical on the team by a fairly large margin. I averaged about 165 yards per game game rushing but also played defensive back. The next season the HS coach put me on defense, and basically said "white guys don't play RB, you'll have a better shot on defense". The guy they inserted was terrible but was not white. It worked out fine for me b/c I liked hitting people, but it really teed me off at the time.

Total stereotype but given the makeup of the RBs at the next level, he was probaly telling the truth--whether it should have been that way or not.
Soon after the stereotype expanded to CBs too.

BTW, on one of the other notes in the thread, I don't think Garrard came into the league as a bad passer and neither did Jeff Blake. And Warren Moon was one of the best pure passers in NFL history.

 

[AmishGangsta]

It's just useless trivia, but in JrHS (very diverse ethnically) I was the fastest guy with highest vertical on the team by a fairly large margin. I averaged about 165 yards per game game rushing but also played defensive back. The next season the HS coach put me on defense, and basically said "white guys don't play RB, you'll have a better shot on defense". The guy they inserted was terrible but was not white. It worked out fine for me b/c I liked hitting people, but it really teed me off at the time.

Total stereotype but given the makeup of the RBs at the next level, he was probaly telling the truth--whether it should have been that way or not.
Soon after the stereotype expanded to CBs too.

BTW, on one of the other notes in the thread, I don't think Garrard came into the league as a bad passer and neither did Jeff Blake. And Warren Moon was one of the best pure passers in NFL history.

Yeh, I totally agree with you on that^^ RB, CB, FS, and x/z receiver are off-limits to white guys--usually, because of speed concerns.

I would also say DE/OLB but you are starting to see a lot of guys at those positions now. But, they are usually labelled "high motor" guys

Side note: Riggins and Alstott are labelled as FB's by most people, not RBs

 

[Califan007]

If anything it's based on past precedent, not racism. Historically black QBs play a different style at QB, a style which has had limited success in the NFL. The majority of black QBs that have been drafted into the NFL have been known as athletic runners (Cunningham, McNair, Stewart, McNabb, Young, Vick, Newton, Carter, Jackson, Campbell, Garrard, Smith, Webb, Wallace, Taylor, Pryor, Dixon, etc.) and many of them had limited abilities as passers, especially early in their careers.

Campbell and Garrard were known as an "athletic runners"??...In what parallel universe? lol...

 

[muck4doo]

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[Califan007]

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