RKG Definition

[Fredd]

Can you point me to a HC in the NFL who says he wants lazy, mentally weak guys who don't like football ?

Garrett says it and suddenly it is like it is a revelation

Laughable

Not sure, but I would say that teams will look the other way based on potential...look at the #1 pick of the Texans....he DID have that helmet-removing hit over two years ago...and then basically took a year off waiting for his pay-day...but, he DOES have potential

 

[Tawney88]

I can field a football team full of people that fans had no time for and were wrong about.

How does that even remotely apply to what I said?

 

[Tawney88]

Unfortunately, some people have adopted a simplistic view of the issues that have plagued the Cowboys over the years. They refuse to accept injuries, the cap situation, the negative impact Wade's leadership had as an excuse for what has happened to date with this team. It's easier to simply point a finger at the usual suspects: Jerry Jones/Jason Garrett/Tony Romo. Granted, all three share in the blame - but many of their mistakes are the result of other mistakes. For instance, Jerry has been known to pay aging veteran players for what they have done and not what they are going to do. This has contributed to poor play towards the end of the season and having injured players, not to mention the cap implications. As a result of the cap issue, Jason has had to take chances with guys with a history of injury, because the alternative is players who either don't fit the scheme or simply cannot play - if there wasn't a cap issue, he might actually be able to afford to bring in guys without so many red flags. As a result of not have top tier quality players to work with, often times Tony Romo is forced into situations where he feels like he has to win the game by himself, which typically leads to poor decisions that lead to interceptions. Factor in a big dose of bad luck the last two years in term of injuries and you get what we have seen - a mediocre mess.

The issue that has plagued the Cowboys aren't the excuses about injuries like you said, it starts and ends with one man. He refused to address depth that lead to injuries killing this team, he hired the poor coaches and then meddled and coddled players. You can't look at one reoccurring issue on this team and not find that the underlying issue started with Jerry Jones. All teams deal with injuries some have had more than us and won the Super Bowl or made playoffs. Sorry our issues stem and revolve around one person and one person alone. Until that changes we will continue to face those same issues year in and year out.

 

[Tawney88]

Just to make sure we are clear. If the guy can help us to win I'm all for them being a part of this team. If he can play football and make plays sign me up. If he can't do those things but loves the game, has all the will and passion in the world, and is dedicated, I don't want him.

That's why I think this RKG thing is all over blown and a catch phrase to fire up the fans.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

IIRC they really liked McClain coming when he was coming out in the draft. Maybe they figure they get the kid for a 6th round pick (at worst) and they figure that is ok for a look and see.

All of this other RKG hoo haa crap is just that...crap.

Too bad so many take it is just some other excuse to extend some idiotic ego filled agenda for or against the HC.

It is hoo haa coach speak crap. You are not going to hear a coach go and and say...well we got this guy because we think he is a lazy bum and hates the game. They are not going to start calling getting players to fit a mold as WKG (wrong kind of guys).

Geez this RKG crap term that so many fight over is about as overplayed, overused and agenda driven as one can get yet the press and fans keep arguing about it like it is some kind of gold standard gospel to support their own agendas.

 

[CATCH17]

We are desperate. Simple as that.

When you reach and draft special teamers with your picks in the middle of the draft then it will kill your depth.

 

[Doomsday101]

Cowboys coach Jason Garrett said he wants players with ego. But the right kind of ego.

“Ego in the context of what we’re trying to accomplish as a team,” he said Saturday at a high school football camp at Cowboys Stadium. He was asked by reporters to describe the kind of player he is looking for in free agency.

“We’re looking for the right kind of guy,” he said. “The right kind of guy, to us, is someone who loves to play football, who is very passionate about it, willing to work hard at it, willing to be part of a team, willing to be part of something that is maybe greater than himself.

“We want a guy who has an ego. Egos are important. But ego in the context of what we’re trying to accomplish as a team. Guys who are willing to work, are great teammates – there’s always going to be a place for those guys.”

Read more here: http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.co...and-says-ego-is-part-of-it.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Stash]

IIRC they really liked McClain coming when he was coming out in the draft. Maybe they figure they get the kid for a 6th round pick (at worst) and they figure that is ok for a look and see.

All of this other RKG hoo haa crap is just that...crap.

Too bad so many take it is just some other excuse to extend some idiotic ego filled agenda for or against the HC.

It is hoo haa coach speak crap. You are not going to hear a coach go and and say...well we got this guy because we think he is a lazy bum and hates the game. They are not going to start calling getting players to fit a mold as WKG (wrong kind of guys).

Geez this RKG crap term that so many fight over is about as overplayed, overused and agenda driven as one can get yet the press and fans keep arguing about it like it is some kind of gold standard gospel to support their own agendas.

You're right, it's a meaningless, valueless, irrelevant term. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Frankly, it's a term I wish would just go away already as I find it annoying whenever I see it.

Essentially just a waste of words.

 

[Hostile]

How does that even remotely apply to what I said?

You said you have "no time" for players you haven't seen anything from. It's a common theme for us as fans to think we know more about talent than the team.

 

[Doomsday101]

You're right, it's a meaningless, valueless, irrelevant term. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Frankly, it's a term I wish would just go away already as I find it annoying whenever I see it.

Essentially just a waste of words.

In ways your right, what is said by Garrett or any coach is meaningless it is about winning. No one would care at all about Garrett and the RKG comments if they were winning, it only becomes yet another thing to complain about when your not winning

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In the wake of the McClain acquisition, I have seen many people posting this seems to be a departure from the rkg philosophy; some even suggesting that Marinelli is responsible for throwing that tired mantra away. As a result, I thought it be a good idea we revisit the definition of RKG, Jason Garrett quotes swiped from BTB (for fully story visit here http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012...oys-draft-what-exactly-is-a-right-kind-of-guy):

"The most important thing is we talk about what it means to be a Dallas Cowboy, the kind of guys we want on our football team. If you look at the guys we've selected, each of these six guys represents that. They're good football players. The top three guys are from big schools. They're prominent players at that school, they have production at a high level. And then as we've gotten a little further down in the draft we've been able to take some guys who we think can fit a particular role for us. At least to create some competition on our football team. Again, they have the right measurables, they're the Right Kind Of Guys, we think they're good football players."

"Obviously they have to have the physical requirements to play this game. The measurables, the talent, the aptitude to play. Part of that is being "The Right Kind Of Guy."

"You want guys who love to play football and show you that they love it each and every day. Passion, enthusiasm, emotion, all of those things come into it....It's one thing to talk that, but you need to see that."

Then Jason expands on how he defines "The Wrong Kind Of Guy":

"The guys who don't love to play football. Guys who don't love to work. The guys who don't love to be around their teammates. The guys who aren't trying to be the best they can be. All those things."

Obviously, McClain has some red flags based on the above definition. He has been quoted as saying he doesn't love football. During his off-the-field struggles, he also stopped putting in the work. But while with the Crimson Tide, he embodied the RKG definition. So if that guy can emerge from the ashes of an otherwise burned out career, this will prove to be a steal.

But so there is no further confusion, RKG doesn't mean country-club membership touting boy scout who spends his off time looking for opportunities to help old ladies across the street.

he is worth a shot. he had some personal troubles and may have put them behind himself. he is talented and was good enough to be a top 10 pick, so as parcells said, somebody thought he was talented to take him that high. with that said, its a low risk approach for cowboys. even if he makes the team all we pay is a 7th rounder. how many 7th rounders stick around and produce?

 

[Stash]

In ways your right, what is said by Garrett or any coach is meaningless it is about winning. No one would care at all about Garrett and the RKG comments if they were winning, it only becomes yet another thing to complain about when your not winning

I just think the term is meaningless either way, winning or not. It's inconsistent grey area, used when it suits a situation, not mentioned when it does not. I give it no value, other than allowing it to annoy me when I do see it.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just think the term is meaningless either way, winning or not. It's inconsistent grey area, used when it suits a situation, not mentioned when it does not. I give it no value, other than allowing it to annoy me when I do see it.

I don't think so, I think fans put to much into it. Belicheck has talked about getting the RKG as well, it does not always work out as we saw with Hernandez. If Dallas was winning this would likely not even come up but since people want to slam Garrett they will find any and everything they can to complain about. If that annoys you then you get annoyed very easily. As for me all I care about it winning, if he can get this team winning and into post season I'm happy, if they go 8-8 out of the playoffs or a losing season then he needs to be fired but not because his pressers or good or bad. Hell Landry was nothing to write home about as he would butcher players names

 

[Stash]

I don't think so, I think fans put to much into it. Belicheck has talked about getting the RKG as well, it does not always work out as we saw with Hernandez. If Dallas was winning this would likely not even come up but since people want to slam Garrett they will find any and everything they can to complain about. If that annoys you then you get annoyed very easily. As for me all I care about it winning, if he can get this team winning and into post season I'm happy, if they go 8-8 out of the playoffs or a losing season then he needs to be fired but not because his pressers or good or bad. Hell Landry was nothing to write home about as he would butcher players names

We can agree about the winning part. He either wins and stays or he doesn't.

 

[Aurican]

You're right, it's a meaningless, valueless, irrelevant term. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Frankly, it's a term I wish would just go away already as I find it annoying whenever I see it.

Essentially just a waste of words.

So it's pretty much like everything that comes out of Garret's mouth

 

[Doomsday101]

We can agree about the winning part. He either wins and stays or he doesn't.

That is what it is all about the rest is wasted energy on the fans part, To get your panites in a wad over trival things is rediculas. So what he is looking for in a player that is his view and????? hell jump on the media they are the ones asking the question.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You're right, it's a meaningless, valueless, irrelevant term. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Frankly, it's a term I wish would just go away already as I find it annoying whenever I see it.

Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with it. It's part of the Garrettbot 2000's ROM.

 

[Tawney88]

You said you have "no time" for players you haven't seen anything from. It's a common theme for us as fans to think we know more about talent than the team.

Actually I said

I have no time for players with those qualities if they can't help us win. It does us no good.

 

[TheDude]

The nature of the NFL is that sometimes you have to have patience with guy's like Matt Johnson. This ain't Madden. How many times have the Cowboys been destroyed by bloggers and mediots alike for giving up too soon on players and said player going on to be productive elsewhere? The coaches clearly have seen something in Matt that we haven't seen. I, too, am ready to move on. But, at the end of the day, it's not my job on the line, if I'm wrong about him...

Outside of the Jimmy Smith example, I cant think of one player who fits this. who are you thinking

 

[jday]

The issue that has plagued the Cowboys aren't the excuses about injuries like you said, it starts and ends with one man. He refused to address depth that lead to injuries killing this team, he hired the poor coaches and then meddled and coddled players. You can't look at one reoccurring issue on this team and not find that the underlying issue started with Jerry Jones. All teams deal with injuries some have had more than us and won the Super Bowl or made playoffs. Sorry our issues stem and revolve around one person and one person alone. Until that changes we will continue to face those same issues year in and year out.

I can agree with you to a certain extent on this; it all begins and ends with Jerry Jones. If you feel more comfortable blaming Jerry for the injuries, the in-game management struggles of Garrett, the interceptions thrown by Romo, and the whole host of mistakes made by personnell within the organization from top to bottom simply by merit of the fact that he is at the top, I'll leave you to it. But that is the definition of being simplistic.