Rob Peter to Pay Paul?

[CouchCoach]

I guess the answer to whether to use the 2020 1st rounder in order to trade up into the 1st in this draft is dependent on how optimistic you are that a step in difference maker can be had at 58.

Also depends on if you think Booger can sit idly by and not get into the 1st round and I gotta say I would have a hard time doing that as well. When I play the ponies, I never sit out, I come to play.

This also depends on what you foresee with the players that will be up and would that 1st be more of a necessity in 2020?

One thing to consider, any team that is eying a franchise QB in that 2020 draft would be a more than willing partner to gather some draft capital. And there are teams that are already planning on going after Tua.

So, here are the questions. Move up into the 1st using the 2020 1st or stay put? If you want to go up, to what spot and which payer or two would you want? I do not think going up into the 1st utilizing the picks they have in the later rounds will work as they need players.

 

[Nightman]

I guess the answer to whether to use the 2020 1st rounder in order to trade up into the 1st in this draft is dependent on how optimistic you are that a step in difference maker can be had at 58.

Also depends on if you think Booger can sit idly by and not get into the 1st round and I gotta say I would have a hard time doing that as well. When I play the ponies, I never sit out, I come to play.

This also depends on what you foresee with the players that will be up and would that 1st be more of a necessity in 2020?

One thing to consider, any team that is eying a franchise QB in that 2020 draft would be a more than willing partner to gather some draft capital. And there are teams that are already planning on going after Tua.

So, here are the questions. Move up into the 1st using the 2020 1st or stay put? If you want to go up, to what spot and which payer or two would you want? I do not think going up into the 1st utilizing the picks they have in the later rounds will work as they need players.

Don't add it to another pick to move up.... that is wasteful..... Mo Claiborne reminds us of that

Just use it by itself to get into the early 2nd.... that is getting production a year early like we did with ACooper.... next year's 1st will be 31 or 32 so we aren't losing as much value as other teams might think

 

[Killerinstinct]

I would not use a future 1st unless I received tremendous value for it.

If I were to trade up it would be for Jeffrey Simmons, Abram or Dexter Lawrence. Those are the 3 players I believe are worth trading up for and would significantly impact the team. Simmons impact would not be felt this year but I believe he would become a foundational piece for years to come.

 

[Stash]

I guess the answer to whether to use the 2020 1st rounder in order to trade up into the 1st in this draft is dependent on how optimistic you are that a step in difference maker can be had at 58.

Also depends on if you think Booger can sit idly by and not get into the 1st round and I gotta say I would have a hard time doing that as well. When I play the ponies, I never sit out, I come to play.

This also depends on what you foresee with the players that will be up and would that 1st be more of a necessity in 2020?

One thing to consider, any team that is eying a franchise QB in that 2020 draft would be a more than willing partner to gather some draft capital. And there are teams that are already planning on going after Tua.

So, here are the questions. Move up into the 1st using the 2020 1st or stay put? If you want to go up, to what spot and which payer or two would you want? I do not think going up into the 1st utilizing the picks they have in the later rounds will work as they need players.

Sitting it out. Be patient. You've already mortgaged this draft to acquire Cooper last year. Pay what you owe this year and don't continue to put yourself behind in the greatest area to acquire player talent.

 

[CouchCoach]

Don't add it to another pick to move up.... that is wasteful..... Mo Claiborne reminds us of that

Just use it by itself to get into the early 2nd.... that is getting production a year early like we did with ACooper.... next year's 1st will be 31 or 32 so we aren't losing as much value as other teams might think

I like your optimism but use what to move up earlier in the 2nd? I am not following.

Claiborne reminds us because of the player, not the trade. Would you give up a 2nd and 3rd to get Lawrence again?

 

[JayFord]

I’ll trade a future first for two superbowls this year

 

[garyv]

I might trade #58 and a 2020 1st Rounder and something else to move up for DL Oliver.

 

[GMO415]

Dallas should do very well this year, hence it's 1st round pick in 2020 will probably be #27 or worse. Who in the F will want that?

 

[CouchCoach]

Sitting it out. Be patient. You've already mortgaged this draft to acquire Cooper last year. Pay what you owe this year and don't continue to put yourself behind in the greatest area to acquire player talent.

stash, not sure I consider trading for Cooper mortgaging this draft, there isn't a WR in this draft that could step in and do what he can do for us. Eventually, could be but I am a "now" fan. Do everything they can now to win.

If I thought they could get a real difference maker at 58 might not feel that way but this is a much better drafting club the higher they get to pick. Unless they get another Charleton.

 

[jazzcat22]

Keep the draft pick for 2020. They filled out the roster pretty well this year. Kept many of their own, and replaced the ones they lost, and for the better overall. Nothing fantastic, but certainly not bad. But yet improved.

So be wise in the draft this year, do not trade away picks, and use all 6. Build upon last year with that. Then use the 2020 1st round to make that your impact player fro 2020 and beyond. By impact, I mean a player that will contribute right away.

Also keep in mind there are many 1 year contracts, and others going into their last year of a contract in 2020 as well. So a 1st round in 2020 is a valuable commodity at this point.

 

[CouchCoach]

Dallas should do very well this year, hence it's 1st round pick in 2020 will probably be #27 or worse. Who in the F will want that?

Draft capital, GMO. There will most likely be some teams hot for Tua in the next draft and having draft capital to move up will be critical. Same with 2021 and Lawrence.

If a team will give up everything for one player as WAS did for Griffin and NO did for Williams, the 2020 and 2021 drafts should be nuts. I am not a tanker but hell, a team needing a lot of young quality players could get fat with a trade for all of a team's picks.

 

[Nightman]

I like your optimism but use what to move up earlier in the 2nd? I am not following.

Claiborne reminds us because of the player, not the trade. Would you give up a 2nd and 3rd to get Lawrence again?

Use next year's 1st .....that is all

And no I don't think DLaw was the best deal.... we got 1 1/2 good seasons out 8 seasons worth of Draft rights... we could have had Devonte Freeman and Davante Adams and used the Zeke pick on Ramsey

 

[visionary]

stash, not sure I consider trading for Cooper mortgaging this draft, there isn't a WR in this draft that could step in and do what he can do for us. Eventually, could be but I am a "now" fan. Do everything they can now to win.

If I thought they could get a real difference maker at 58 might not feel that way but this is a much better drafting club the higher they get to pick. Unless they get another Charleton.

We also wouldn't be paying 15mill/yr to the rd 1 WR

Win now is great but we don't have the coaching to win now

Stay put or at most trade up a little in rd 2 but don't use the future 1st

 

[xwalker]

I guess the answer to whether to use the 2020 1st rounder in order to trade up into the 1st in this draft is dependent on how optimistic you are that a step in difference maker can be had at 58.

Also depends on if you think Booger can sit idly by and not get into the 1st round and I gotta say I would have a hard time doing that as well. When I play the ponies, I never sit out, I come to play.

This also depends on what you foresee with the players that will be up and would that 1st be more of a necessity in 2020?

One thing to consider, any team that is eying a franchise QB in that 2020 draft would be a more than willing partner to gather some draft capital. And there are teams that are already planning on going after Tua.

So, here are the questions. Move up into the 1st using the 2020 1st or stay put? If you want to go up, to what spot and which payer or two would you want? I do not think going up into the 1st utilizing the picks they have in the later rounds will work as they need players.

No on 2020 1st.

Yes on 2020 2nd.

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019. Some teams in that situation like to trade a current year pick for a future pick.

• Round 1, Pick No. 4
• Round 1, Pick No. 24 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 1, Pick No. 27 (From Dallas Cowboys)
• Round 2, Pick No. 35
• Round 3, Pick No. 66
• Round 4, Pick No. 106
• Round 5, Pick No. 141
• Round 6, Pick No. 197 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 7, Pick No. 219
• Round 7, Pick No. 236 (From Seattle Seahawks)

 

[Nightman]

No on 2020 1st.

Yes on 2020 2nd.

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019. Some teams in that situation like to trade a current year pick for a future pick.

• Round 1, Pick No. 4
• Round 1, Pick No. 24 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 1, Pick No. 27 (From Dallas Cowboys)
• Round 2, Pick No. 35
• Round 3, Pick No. 66
• Round 4, Pick No. 106
• Round 5, Pick No. 141
• Round 6, Pick No. 197 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 7, Pick No. 219
• Round 7, Pick No. 236 (From Seattle Seahawks)

Trade next year's 1st for OAK's #35

trade the 5th year option in 2023 for a guy that can help us get the ring this year.... the new CBA might not even have 5th year options any more

 

[glimmerman]

I guess the answer to whether to use the 2020 1st rounder in order to trade up into the 1st in this draft is dependent on how optimistic you are that a step in difference maker can be had at 58.

Also depends on if you think Booger can sit idly by and not get into the 1st round and I gotta say I would have a hard time doing that as well. When I play the ponies, I never sit out, I come to play.

This also depends on what you foresee with the players that will be up and would that 1st be more of a necessity in 2020?

One thing to consider, any team that is eying a franchise QB in that 2020 draft would be a more than willing partner to gather some draft capital. And there are teams that are already planning on going after Tua.

So, here are the questions. Move up into the 1st using the 2020 1st or stay put? If you want to go up, to what spot and which payer or two would you want? I do not think going up into the 1st utilizing the picks they have in the later rounds will work as they need players.

Someone of quality will fall to us at 58... I think that we stay put and take our loss of a first rounder with a smile knowing that we got the best WR in the draft. Lol. If you start trading ahead you eventually have to pay for it. Don’t kick the can down the road. You got your cap under control. Of course knowing JJ he may want to make that splash. But really what are you going to do... Trade up to get a DT.. No because they don’t value the position or a safety. We have edge rushers and Covington and the other guy from FA.. Unless they trade around to move up in the second round to get after Simmons. If he falls to the 2nd round...

 

[conner01]

No on 2020 1st.

Yes on 2020 2nd.

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019. Some teams in that situation like to trade a current year pick for a future pick.

• Round 1, Pick No. 4
• Round 1, Pick No. 24 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 1, Pick No. 27 (From Dallas Cowboys)
• Round 2, Pick No. 35
• Round 3, Pick No. 66
• Round 4, Pick No. 106
• Round 5, Pick No. 141
• Round 6, Pick No. 197 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 7, Pick No. 219
• Round 7, Pick No. 236 (From Seattle Seahawks)

That is a reasonable approach
If I could trade next years 2nd for 66 this year I’d do that

 

[Angus12]

next year's 1st will be 31 or 32 so we aren't losing as much value as other teams might think

Every year this same exact thing is said.

And every year... It would be stupendously stupid to trade picks banking on THIS value of them.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Don't add it to another pick to move up.... that is wasteful..... Mo Claiborne reminds us of that

Just use it by itself to get into the early 2nd.... that is getting production a year early like we did with ACooper.... next year's 1st will be 31 or 32 so we aren't losing as much value as other teams might think

So, by your calculations, any trade that involves a first and a subsequent pick will end up like the Mo Clairborne situation. All things are exactly the same from one instance to the next in the NFL.

Just like to point out this is a fallacy. But one that is trotted out here like clockwork.

Not advocating one side or the other. Just the only consistent aspect to life, and football is life, is change.

 

[Whirlwin]

I like your optimism but use what to move up earlier in the 2nd? I am not following.

Claiborne reminds us because of the player, not the trade. Would you give up a 2nd and 3rd to get Lawrence again?

You don't know how you draft pick is going to work out until his second or third season. Knowing what we know now about Lawrence current I wouldn't move up. Well it all depends on how much I have to give up to move up. If I thought moving up to get a particular player or getting in a player in free agency would actually bring me a championship. Then maybe I would yes too many scenarios too much speculation. But it's a good conversation