Rob Peter to Pay Paul?

[AKATheRake]

We got Tank Lawrence by moving up in the earlier part of the 2nd and he turned out to be a player albeit after 3 season's.

I think Simmons is a player we have to look at but he may not be able to contribute until the later part of the season if at all until the next.

I don't think we should trade our 1st next year unless we're getting a proven young player at DT that's already in the league.

I do not mind trading our 3rd or 4th this year and/or next to move up into the 2nd and get someone like Simmons knowing we will mostly have to wait on his production.

But no more sacrificing the next drafts 1st rounder unless it's another player like Amari Cooper at a position of need like DT or safety and the player is already locked into a contract we can absorb.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I might trade #58 and a 2020 1st Rounder and something else to move up for DL Oliver.

Your future first rounder at best is worth a late 1st....and that may be pushing it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Use next year's 1st .....that is all

And no I don't think DLaw was the best deal.... we got 1 1/2 good seasons out 8 seasons worth of Draft rights... we could have had Devonte Freeman and Davante Adams and used the Zeke pick on Ramsey

Cowboys were never drafting Adams and Freeman and thank goodness they didn’t draft that head case Ramsey.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It would make zero sense to mortgage your future because it’s not going to pay off anytime soon. This is about winning right now. Keep your draft picks and have guys waiting in the wings for when you have some tough decisions to make. Unless it’s a can’t miss prospect who can come right in now and make a immediate impact but for a guy like that I don’t think you can even trade for him without a first this year.

You guys get excited about the draft that you guys don’t even see how bad of a move trading a future first is.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Its more like robbing future teams to pay for the current one. I don't see that changing. Its what we do.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am not opposed to moving up or down in the draft. Right now I see the main 2 needs is DT and strong safety having said that DT looks deep enough that Dallas could stay put and likely pick a very good DT

 

[Nightman]

Cowboys were never drafting Adams and Freeman and thank goodness they didn’t draft that head case Ramsey.

Yeah gotta hate shut down CBs

 

[Nightman]

Agree completely.

The guys in that pick range (25-50 roughly) are good players and there’s typically not a huge difference in that group top to bottom. Assuming that the team will be a serious contender and will pick very late in the first round can be tricky business and is often folly... but I do feel like guessing a pick somewhere in the 20-32 range is safe enough.

If that’s the case, then if Dallas traded next year’s first for, say, the 36th pick in this year’s draft, there wouldn’t be a big difference in the net talents of this season’s rookie vs. next season’s rookie. I’d be all for that.

The tricky part is of course hoping that the right player slides out of the first round, and the really difficult part is finding a trade partner willing to trade an early second this year for what will likely be a late first next year. As someone already mentioned, Oakland might be a good partner because of the sheer volume of picks they own this season. They might like the idea of having three first round picks again next year. Also, a team wanting to load up next season for a QB might be a good target as well.

A really good player at the right position would need to slide though, for any trade partner to even matter.

IMO, it’d have to be a DT (3-tech) who really fits the system. I don’t think there is a safety who would be that different from the guys likely there at 58, and I just don’t see the team doing it for a TE (Hockenson won’t fall).

Of course, it is a long shot for this trade to happen at all, but if it does, I think DT would be it.

this is from MMQB

7. It’s not unusual that you’d have more teams looking to move down than up in April, but it certainly seems like that’s even more the case this year than it has been before. The reason? There’s not much difference, as most teams see it, between the No. 10 and No. 15 picks. I had one team tell me over the weekend that the second round, based on grades, and depending on where the quarterbacks go, starts for them around the No. 12 or 13 pick.

The upshot? There’s rich depth well into Friday, so it’s good to have volume in this draft. The Panthers, Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Chiefs, Steelers and Commanders each have three picks on Friday. The Patriots have five. In an effort to build capital in that area, I’m told that two teams will be aggressively looking to deal down in the first round: the Lions and Seahawks.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Sitting it out. Be patient. You've already mortgaged this draft to acquire Cooper last year. Pay what you owe this year and don't continue to put yourself behind in the greatest area to acquire player talent.

Some of these guys have made it perfectly clear that the future doesnt matter. Any strategy they talk about doing pays no mind to the future and all they care about is THIS year. So its not surprising that they now want to trade future picks to get one this year.

 

[DFWJC]

No on 2020 1st.

Yes on 2020 2nd.

The Raiders almost have too many picks in 2019. Some teams in that situation like to trade a current year pick for a future pick.

• Round 1, Pick No. 4
• Round 1, Pick No. 24 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 1, Pick No. 27 (From Dallas Cowboys)
• Round 2, Pick No. 35
• Round 3, Pick No. 66
• Round 4, Pick No. 106
• Round 5, Pick No. 141
• Round 6, Pick No. 197 (From Chicago Bears)
• Round 7, Pick No. 219
• Round 7, Pick No. 236 (From Seattle Seahawks)

Wow

Now that would be fun to run that draft this year.

It'll get REALLY crazy if they move down from #4 overall and rack up 2-3 more 1st rounders present and future.

 

[CouchCoach]

Some of these guys have made it perfectly clear that the future doesnt matter. Any strategy they talk about doing pays no mind to the future and all they care about is THIS year. So its not surprising that they now want to trade future picks to get one this year.

And is that wrong, Roy? You haven't seen it here but on the old site I was forever posting "don't think this is our year, looks like it's pointing to next year" because I believed they were building toward something.

My mistake was thinking this was 1991 when I could see it happening, we were average but I could see it moving toward something. I had confidence in the team builder, and also had that in Parcells, and felt that window was opening wider and wider.

Now, that feeling is no more because I had it, or forced it, too many times with no pay off. So, I am that "win now" fan and really don't care about the future but I am also an older fan and do not know how long the future is. But I am also not a SB or bust fan.

 

[CouchCoach]

Me. Positivity always is the better approach.

From a personal perspective in matters that we control, could not agree more. But none of this is in our control.

But this is all based on perception, which is our own reality. Some don't believe because Garrett is the HC or Prescott is the QB but that's not me. I look at the NFC teams and form an opinion based on what I see and am usually wrong, I get surprised every season and sometimes by the Cowboys. Hell, I picked them to go 4-12 in 14 and they reversed that. So, I don't even make the picks anymore.

I will say this about the posters that are positive about this season right now, they are happier than the ones that are not. But that has nothing to do with reality and more about personal choice. I do not try and rain on any optimist's parade but I also do not expect to get rained on for my opinions if they do not jive with an optimist's. I call it like I see it and have no problem with any other opinion or being wrong and admitting it but I am not into admitting wrong forward.

 

[Rockport]

From a personal perspective in matters that we control, could not agree more. But none of this is in our control.

But this is all based on perception, which is our own reality. Some don't believe because Garrett is the HC or Prescott is the QB but that's not me. I look at the NFC teams and form an opinion based on what I see and am usually wrong, I get surprised every season and sometimes by the Cowboys. Hell, I picked them to go 4-12 in 14 and they reversed that. So, I don't even make the picks anymore.

I will say this about the posters that are positive about this season right now, they are happier than the ones that are not. But that has nothing to do with reality and more about personal choice. I do not try and rain on any optimist's parade but I also do not expect to get rained on for my opinions if they do not jive with an optimist's. I call it like I see it and have no problem with any other opinion or being wrong and admitting it but I am not into admitting wrong forward.

I don't rain on the posters occasionally negative posts. I've made some myself. I only rain on those with mental health isuues who always are negative. Your leaning towards the latter.

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't rain on the posters occasionally negative posts. I've made some myself. I only rain on those with mental health isuues who always are negative. Your leaning towards the latter.

I do not always lean toward the negative. The mental health issues, can't argue that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah gotta hate shut down CBs

Yeah which is why the Jags have had so much success because of him.

 

[Nightman]

Yeah which is why the Jags have had so much success because of him.

Like the AFCCG

when did Zeke go to the NFCCG??????

I must've missed it

 

[CowboyRoy]

And is that wrong, Roy? You haven't seen it here but on the old site I was forever posting "don't think this is our year, looks like it's pointing to next year" because I believed they were building toward something.

My mistake was thinking this was 1991 when I could see it happening, we were average but I could see it moving toward something. I had confidence in the team builder, and also had that in Parcells, and felt that window was opening wider and wider.

Now, that feeling is no more because I had it, or forced it, too many times with no pay off. So, I am that "win now" fan and really don't care about the future but I am also an older fan and do not know how long the future is. But I am also not a SB or bust fan.

Thats comes off as a rather beaten down, sad tale.

If you didnt have your blinders on, you would see how much things have changed around here. They are actually doing a lot right. Many things they didnt do previous. I personally think its Stephen and McClay. I have been the biggest critic, but even I have to acknowledge how well they have played the salary cap, FA, of late. And its exactly why we have all this cap space.

The ONLY thing they still do poorly is keep around puppet, useless HC's. Once they get a real HC in here, they will be on par with most of the other top franchises.

Heck they even started doing trades this year in the offseason and not get ripped off. Miraculous.

Unfortunately, it came a little late and we missed the "QB on a rookie contract window".

I have never, and will never have a THIS year mentality. Its a desperate way of doing business. And from your post, its seems thats where you are at.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I guess the answer to whether to use the 2020 1st rounder in order to trade up into the 1st in this draft is dependent on how optimistic you are that a step in difference maker can be had at 58.

Also depends on if you think Booger can sit idly by and not get into the 1st round and I gotta say I would have a hard time doing that as well. When I play the ponies, I never sit out, I come to play.

This also depends on what you foresee with the players that will be up and would that 1st be more of a necessity in 2020?

One thing to consider, any team that is eying a franchise QB in that 2020 draft would be a more than willing partner to gather some draft capital. And there are teams that are already planning on going after Tua.

So, here are the questions. Move up into the 1st using the 2020 1st or stay put? If you want to go up, to what spot and which payer or two would you want? I do not think going up into the 1st utilizing the picks they have in the later rounds will work as they need players.

Given how pick value is depreciated for future picks, it's a sucker bet to sell off your future picks. A grown up org would always want to be on the buying side of that depreciation of future picks.

 

[Chuck 54]

You aren’t getting far into round one with #58 and next year’s #1.
I don’t trade a future #1 pick unless I’m staring at a guy I truly covet. It’s just very very unlikely.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Like the AFCCG

when did Zeke go to the NFCCG??????

I must've missed it

He hasn’t. But his team is on the rise. The Jags have imploded from within. Started the minute that idiot started running his mouth.