Rob Ryan schooled again

[Beast_from_East]

Fellas, the major problem with this defense is that outside of Ware and a couple of others, we are just not that good.

I know people hate to hear it, but most of our defensive players are JAGs. Seriously, we are not really that good personnel wise on defense outside of Ware and a couple of others.

We need at least 1 more pass rusher, a true nose tackle, and a ball hawk corner/safety to really be a great defense.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Fellas, the major problem with this defense is that outside of Ware and a couple of others, we are just not that good.

I know people hate to hear it, but most of our defensive players are JAGs. Seriously, we are not really that good personnel wise on defense outside of Ware and a couple of others.

We need at least 1 more pass rusher, a true nose tackle, and a ball hawk corner/safety to really be a great defense.

 

[adbutcher]

Fellas, the major problem with this defense is that outside of Ware and a couple of others, we are just not that good.

I know people hate to hear it, but most of our defensive players are JAGs. Seriously, we are not really that good personnel wise on defense outside of Ware and a couple of others.

We need at least 1 more pass rusher, a true nose tackle, and a ball hawk corner/safety to really be a great defense.

:laugh2:

 

[Bowdown27]

Our secondary looked pretty stupid once again and I like our secondary. But how can they cover these guys when you get no pressure whatsoever on qb ?

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I can't believe people are trying to put this whole game on the defense. Did you not watch when the ST coverage unit gave the skins the ball in FG range? Or when Mcbriar uncharacteristically shanked that punt and did it again?

Defenses can't stop a team from scoring 3 or 7 when you keep giving them the ball inside the 30. It wasn't a great defensive game, but without those ST miscues, they probably only score 17 points or so.

 

[visionary]

That is two out of three division games where Ryan was taken to school by the opposition offensive coordinator. He was facing a Skins team that can't run the ball, Grossman at QB and a pretty pathetic set of receivers and he let's them go 89 yards with the game on the line with nary any resistance.

Grossman repeatedly hit receivers on deep-ins for 15-20 yards per completion. We also repeatedly gave up 10-15 yards for untested completions in the flat. There is something very wrong with his scheme or the execution of his scheme that is going on right now.

After the Philly game I thought it was a bit of an aberration due to how much fear he had of DJax going deep but there is no such excuse for defending the Skins. They were able to do many of the same things at will with the game on the line. I'm not smart enough to figure out what is wrong or how to fix it but something has been found that he has to now counter. I don't want this to become like 2006 when Parcells D became near useless in the last 5 games of the season and gave up 30+ ppg repeatedly.

On the bright side, I don't think we need to worry so much about losing him after this season.

I think he needs another pass rusher and he needs Bruce Carter out there defending the zones so things can get tightened up a bit more. I think there is hope of getting Carter ready to play some more snaps for the stretch run but I don't see a hope of finding another pass rusher on this roster this year.

I really do hope Ryan figures it out because I think we have a good shot at getting into the playoffs. If the defense can play like they were earlier in the year we can beat anyone including GB if we catch Rodgers on a bad day and Romo is in the zone.

i completely agree with you and was going to make a thread about this

it is a VERY big concern because the 3-4 is predicated on being unpredictable, if teams can just use specific routes to the center and/or the flat, we are done against really good teams

the eagles ate our lunch doing exactly this and it seems we learned nothing from it

we complain about garrett and his red zone playcalling, we can certainly discuss this

 

[Doomsday101]

I can't believe people are trying to put this whole game on the defense. Did you not watch when the ST coverage unit gave the skins the ball in FG range? Or when Mcbriar uncharacteristically shanked that punt and did it again?

Defenses can't stop a team from scoring 3 or 7 when you keep giving them the ball inside the 30. It wasn't a great defensive game, but without those ST miscues, they probably only score 17 points or so.

No doubt special teams played poorly and it allowed the skins to play a short field.

 

[Eskimo]

Grossman was throwing some picture perfect, almost indefensible passes on those outs. Cowboys run defense completely dominated their running game and forced the Commanders to win the game through Grossman, and he almost pulled it off. Hard to believe, but wacky things happen on the road in division games.

If I was disappointed about something from the defense, it was how we could get absolutely no pressure rushing 4 against Washington's pathetic O-line, and yeah ... that includes Ware getting handled by Trent Williams one on one. The only time I saw Ware do much of anything was when he was lined up against Jamaal Brown.

It is not the outs or the fades that bother me.

They were constantly abusing us in the flats for 10-15 yards a pop on an uncovered player and they were constantly having success on those deep in routes for about 15-20 yards a pop on an uncovered WR. It didn't happen just once, it happened repeatedly. It wasn't just this game, it also happened constantly in the Eagles game. There is a horrendous soft spot in the zone back there - maybe it is because the ILBs aren't good enough in coverage, I'm not sure. However, I don't want to face the Eagles again with this problem and I don't want to face Eli with his cadre of tough receivers with this problem. They will eat us alive.

Ryan needs to get this figured out or we will not make the playoffs. We have to contest those passes better.

 

[Doomsday]

All teams gets beat, all teams gives up points, receptions, sacks etc... It took several perfect passes, without all of our starting CBs, and terrible STs to make the game close. No teams play perfect games and fans should learn to temper their critique based based on that. We swept a division opponent and we are now in first place that is a good thing considering all this team had to overcome.

I understand what you are saying but how do you not factor in the fact that a team that hadnt scored an offensive TD in 3 games, marched up and down the field on our defense in the 2nd half of that game?

Special teams was a big factor in the first half, they had 14 points with 2 first downs.

I guess maybe it is just a matter of momentum and them getting on a roll and building confidence. Either way, just glad Dallas pulled this one out of the fire.

 

[JoeCorrado]

All teams gets beat, all teams gives up points, receptions, sacks etc... It took several perfect passes, without all of our starting CBs, and terrible STs to make the game close. No teams play perfect games and fans should learn to temper their critique based based on that. We swept a division opponent and we are now in first place that is a good thing considering all this team had to overcome.

I don't disagree with your statement and the points you make are good ones.

This team will be judged on two things - making the playoffs and winning in the playoffs. I promise you that unless we resolve the problem areas on defense, because these are repeat problems, then we will have real difficulty in accomplishing either of our true tests this year.

Happy with the win. Thrilled to be on top of the NFC East, but we all know that these are stepping stones to where we want to be. We best keep our eyes open to the hazards "before" we let ourselves be tripped up along the way.

 

[alancdc]

They moved the ball, but they also got great field position on 2 of those at the end of the first half. Special teams was not good on coverage, but Banks is a very good returner. That said, they did a good job blocking us.

 

[boysfanindc]

Getting Jenkins back and OScan back to covering the slot will help.

Ball for extended snaps is not a good thing.

 

[alancdc]

Getting Jenkins back and OScan back to covering the slot will help.

Ball for extended snaps is not a good thing.

Speaking of OScan, that was a heck of an attempted tackle in OT wasn't it? 32 dove to the ground and the dude just stepped over him for about another 15-20.

 

[Doomsday101]

Speaking of OScan, that was a heck of an attempted tackle in OT wasn't it? 32 dove to the ground and the dude just stepped over him for about another 15-20.

Looked to me he was trying to cut the legs and his cleats slid out from under him. No excuse he needs to do better, that was a costly play

 

[boysfanindc]

Looked to me he was trying to cut the legs and his cleats slid out from under him. No excuse he needs to do better, that was a costly play

Yeah, looked the same way to me, still have to get him on the ground though.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I've got to say, Ryan's amoeba defense doesn't look the same as it used too. He seems to be resorting back to normal style of defensive pass rushes of late.

Our blitzes get stuff quite a bit. By stuffed, I mean we blitz the house and the QB still have 4-5 seconds to get the ball off. That happens quite a bit.

Overall the defense is alright, but I don't think they move enough in the zone.

For instance, I saw Newman playing in a zone. A WR came in a curled in between the zone. Nobody else on the field was near Newman's zone, yet Newman didn't float towards the WR that was near at the edge of his zone. He sat back in the middle of the zone and didn't move to make the tackle until after the WR caught the ball.

Now, if there are several threats near your zone, you want to stay in the middle between them, but if there is one threat, you need to close the gap between him and you before the pass is thrown.

 

[visionary]

one other thing...

that newman sure continuing to prove all the doubters wrong

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If you look at how the WRs were being defended that throw appears to be there all-day almost uncontested. We can't make it that easy on the opposition.

Agreed.


Two things:


1. I was happy with Ryan coming on and the apparent improvement right out of the gate this year. But I did think we needed to see more, more games after the Ryan film was out there. We give up to much.


2. I felt like it was Wade's defense yesterday. 3 and 20? No prob, 1st down!

Painful.



Now, imagine what a QB like Aaron Rodgers would do to us in a playoff game?

We would DEFINITELY NEED to keep that offense off the field. Long, methodical scoring drives by Cowboys.

Otherwise, its a wrap!

 

[Givincer]

2. I felt like it was Wade's defense yesterday. 3 and 20? No prob, 1st down!

Painful.

I hate seeing our team give the offense back penalty yards. An offensive holding call should end a drive. They shouldn't be able to gain 13 or 14 yards and have a 2nd and 6 after 1st and 20.

Painful is right.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I hate seeing our team give the offense back penalty yards. An offensive holding call should end a drive. They shouldn't be able to gain 13 or 14 yards and have a 2nd and 6 after 1st and 20.

Painful is right.

Are we easing back on our aggressiveness?
If we are, is it because we are getting burned?


Just curious?


We seem to lose our effectiveness of getting to QB? Alot of "almost there's" and then QB's complete a big play.