Robert Quinn Suspended 2 games

[Sydla]

Inconsistency I will give you, yes. The beef thing I didn't know about and will look it up but also don't know exactly what the proof was in either case. Quinn's agent is admitting that they couldn't adequately prove what could have happened so unless we know exactly what they did have beyond what the agent says it's impossible to compare. We also don't know if it was "right before" or longer. The statement didn't say. If the NFL did feel it wasn't intentional it's probably why he got 2 games instead of 4 but if it's in his system I don't think you can automatically jump to complete innocence either, especially if the proof isn't concrete as admitted by Quinn's camp. Maybe in the beef incident it was.

Where did Quinn’s camp say the proof wasn’t good enough? The statement seems to read the exact opposite way. They had the proof, the league dug in and punished Quinn strictlY on procedure because they could.

In this case the league should absolutely defer to the player especially one that has no issues prior.

I have little doubt the league screwed Quinn simply because they can. These arbitration proceedings are largely rigged against the players (yes that’s their fault as well as they agreed to how these things go down when they agreed to the current CBA) anyway.

 

[gmoney112]

The drug isn’t prescribed often at all so it’s likely it was filled very recently prior to Quinn’s being filled. Further a guy in this thread was a pharma tech and said this isn’t that uncommon for contamination.

It’s more than a coincidence that a little prescribed drug was filled at the same pharmacy right before Quinn’s was.

As for the NFL and what they can prove. They overturned a Texans drug suspension when he blamed his failed test on eating Mexican beef. So to act like you have to prove it without a shadow of a doubt isn’t accurate.

I don’t think it’s a Cowboys conspiracy. I just think the league has shown they are haphazard and inconsistent player to player.

I just saw the Texans thing. Holy bleep. Clenbuterol is used all over the place as a "cutting" compound. I know juiceheads that have taken it. I can't believe they dismissed that. A 30 year old OL busted on Clen, and they dropped it. What the hell? That is insane.

And Quinn gets busted for some random gout medication? That "can be used" as a masking agent, but was found in quantities where it wouldn't mask anything at all? Who the hell would even do that with probenecid? No one.

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen lately.

No one's going to convince me that the Mara-Rooney family being next door to Roger and the NFL league office, when Jerry Jones wanted to check Roger's power, don't try to stiggit to the bumbling hillbilly from Texas who oil'd his way into the Dallas Cowboys, any chance they can get. I would, and I'm not even rich.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Expect more chit like this going forward.

Jerry tried to block Roger’s new contract and you guys thought Roger was just gonna let that go?

LOL........Jerry and the Cowboys have a huge target on their back now. Just wait till y’all see the officiating this year. It’s going to be brutal .

 

[Established1971]

2 games. Per the mothership. Joy

every ****** year, what the hell

 

[Sydla]

I just saw the Texans thing. Holy bleep. Clenbuterol is used all over the place as a "cutting" compound. I know juiceheads that have taken it. I can't believe they dismissed that. A 30 year old OL busted on Clen, and they dropped it. What the hell? That is insane.

And Quinn gets busted for some random gout medication? That "can be used" as a masking agent, but was found in quantities where it wouldn't mask anything at all? Who the hell would even do that with probenecid? No one.

This is one of the dumbest things I've seen lately.

No one's going to convince me that the Mara-Rooney family being next door to Roger and the NFL league office, when Jerry Jones wanted to check Roger's power, don't try to stiggit to the bumbling hillbilly from Texas who oil'd his way into the Dallas Cowboys, any chance they can get. I would, and I'm not even rich.

The reality is the players screwed themseves when they agreed to an arbitration process that lets the people punishing them pick the arbitrator.

That’s how you end up with completely random outcomes on punishments that more often than not screw the player over.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Well, on the bright side (if one can call it that), perhaps Quinn was not going to be ready for the first two games anyway with a fractured hand. So, the Cowboys get 1/8th of his salary (about $1M) to use on someone else. Maybe the Cowboys can cut him and void his whole salary ($6M) since he was suspended.

On the really bleak side, maybe Quinn ain't any good without his special steroid juice.

 

[ESisback]

One of the Cowboys with the greatest potential for success will be the next suspension. Mara and friends are afraid.

 

[Melonfeud]

Expect more chit like this going forward.

Jerry tried to block Roger’s new contract and you guys thought Roger was just gonna let that go?

LOL........Jerry and the Cowboys have a huge target on their back now. Just wait till y’all see the officiating this year. It’s going to be brutal .

* Groan's-out in panged anguish&hurls up-chuck all over the pet feral kitty cat as this envisioned future on the season settles upon me*

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Golden Tate’s statement:

““This past April, during the off-season, my wife and I decided to see a specialist for fertility planning,” the statement began. “I started the treatment prescribed to me and just days later I discovered it contained an ingredient on the league’s banned substance list. I immediately discontinued use, I reported the situation to the Independent Administrator of the NFL Policy on Performance-Enhancing Substances, and I spoke with my coaches and general manager. I did all of this well before a failed test was even confirmed.”

Tim Beckham’s (MLB) statement:
“I was recently notified that I had tested positive for Stanozolol, a prohibited substance under MLB’s Joint Drug Agreement,” the statement read. “I was given a product from a trusted source, who had advised me that it was safe to take.”

Frankie Montas (MLB):
“While I never intended to take any prohibited substance, I unfortunately and unknowingly ingested a contaminated supplement that I had purchased over-the-counter at a nutrition store here in the United States,”

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

When will these guys learn you can’t outsmart the system. If it was seizure meds you have to check, check and check again if it will somehow come up as a drug not allowed by NFL.

Or, the League could allow the player to report medications prescribed to them by a doctor with a doctor's prescription authorization. That way, if a test comes back with traces similar to a prescribed medication that the player takes, then the league can take appropriate action instead of a sweeping suspension. For example, if it's a seizure medication, then that shouldn't be suspendable.

 

[texbumthelife]

This stinks to high hell. Smell like what comes out of a cow's rear end. What a joke.

 

[Sydla]

Golden Tate’s statement:

““This past April, during the off-season, my wife and I decided to see a specialist for fertility planning,” the statement began. “I started the treatment prescribed to me and just days later I discovered it contained an ingredient on the league’s banned substance list. I immediately discontinued use, I reported the situation to the Independent Administrator of the NFL Policy on Performance-Enhancing Substances, and I spoke with my coaches and general manager. I did all of this well before a failed test was even confirmed.”

Tim Beckham’s (MLB) statement:
“I was recently notified that I had tested positive for Stanozolol, a prohibited substance under MLB’s Joint Drug Agreement,” the statement read. “I was given a product from a trusted source, who had advised me that it was safe to take.”

Frankie Montas (MLB):
“While I never intended to take any prohibited substance, I unfortunately and unknowingly ingested a contaminated supplement that I had purchased over-the-counter at a nutrition store here in the United States,”

Tate's situation seems different than the last two. Those two took supplements for performance that they claim they had no idea had a banned substance in it.

Tate took a fertility drug, found out that it had a banned substance in it and immediately informed the NFL what had happened before he even failed a test.

Why do you assume something is nefarious here with Quinn? Is it implausible it's exactly like Quinn's agent said it did? If it's actually true, does he deserve to be punished?

 

[Kaiser]

And Quinn gets busted for some random gout medication? That "can be used" as a masking agent, but was found in quantities where it wouldn't mask anything at all? Who the hell would even do that with probenecid? No one.

Read the statement from his agent on DC.com. The level in his bloodstream was a trace amount they would normally consider a false positive in the test and the level was about one 2000th of the amount normally found by someone using it as a masking agent.

The NFL is a joke and Goodell is the biggest joke of all.

 

[Buzzbait]

Read the statement from his agent. It's interesting.

He takes medication for seizures. His attorneys had the local pharmacy pull records and it turns out that right before they pulled Quinn's prescription, the pharmacy pulled the drug that triggered the failed test. They think when they mixed the medication, it's possible some of the residue got on Quinn's medicine and caused the failed test.

Innocence is no excuse!! Suspend him! Fine him! Teach those Dallas Cowboys a lesson!

 

[MarcusRock]

Where did Quinn’s camp say the proof wasn’t good enough? The statement seems to read the exact opposite way. They had the proof, the league dug in and punished Quinn strictlY on procedure because they could.

I quoted it earlier.

“Clearly many questions existed as to contamination and we were not able to prove them with certainty at the hearing.”​

And you keep saying the other prescription was filled "right before." The statement doesn't say that. It only says "prior." How much prior? A day? A week? A month? 3 months? That's pretty important information. How can you "prove with certainty," something Quinn's agent admits they couldn't do, without that information? Do they even know?

If people dial it down a little and carefully look at what's been said, the things they haven't said speak a bit louder. And this is before you look at what the NFL's take was on this. But who's going to get both sides? A Cowboy was wronged! We don't need no stinkin' other side.

 

[MarcusRock]

Read the statement from his agent on DC.com. The level in his bloodstream was a trace amount they would normally consider a false positive in the test and the level was about one 2000th of the amount normally found by someone using it as a masking agent.

That's the level it was when he was tested. How does the tester know that Quinn didn't have greater levels of the substance in his bloodstream at an earlier date? Can Quinn narrow down when he allegedly took his tainted medication that contained the masking agent drug? At what level was the masking agent drug that initially got into Quinn's system. If you don't know that then how long does that masking agent drug stay in the bloodstream? Maybe then you can determine the approximate level that entered Quinn judging by the residual amount on the date he got tested.

Again, if people dial back the trigger reaction and engage in some critical thinking, you'll see that there's a lot that wasn't addressed in Quinn's agent's "passionate" statement. I'm certainly not seeing the exoneration proof that many are seeing without answers to quite a few more questions I've addressed here and to Sydla above.

 

[Sydla]

I quoted it earlier.

“Clearly many questions existed as to contamination and we were not able to prove them with certainty at the hearing.”​

And you keep saying the other prescription was filled "right before." The statement doesn't say that. It only says "prior." How much prior? A day? A week? A month? 3 months? That's pretty important information. How can you "prove with certainty," something Quinn's agent admits they couldn't do, without that information? Do they even know?

If people dial it down a little and carefully look at what's been said, the things they haven't said speak a bit louder. And this is before you look at what the NFL's take was on this. But who's going to get both sides? A Cowboy was wronged! We don't need no stinkin' other side.

I am far from one of these guys that claims conspiracy against the Cowboys. So stuff that angle back in your tube.

But here we have a guy who has never been pinched for anything, who is on medication for seizures and lays out a very plausible scenario. Whether the other prescription was filled a minute befor or two days before, cross contamination is possible as noted by someone in this thread.

I tend to not agree with the league in matters like this. I think they do these things not because of justice but simply because they can and the more they overturn these things the more they weaken their hand.

And as said this isn’t a Cowboys thing. I think Golden Tate should have his suspension removed as well. His story is also very plausible and to my knowledge he’s never had any previous issues either.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I am far from one of these guys that claims conspiracy against the Cowboys. So stuff that angle back in your tube.

But here we have a guy who has never been pinched for anything, who is on medication for seizures and lays out a very plausible scenario. Whether the other prescription was filled a minute befor or two days before, cross contamination is possible as noted by someone in this thread.

I tend to not agree with the league in matters like this. I think they do these things not because of justice but simply because they can and the more they overturn these things the more they weaken their hand.

And as said this isn’t a Cowboys thing. I think Golden Tate should have his suspension removed as well. His story is also very plausible and to my knowledge he’s never had any previous issues either.

Why is plausibility being weighed so heavily?

I just grabbed the first three names I googled for PED suspensions. Each of those guys a have plausible excuse.

Marcus Rock brought up some good points. Quinn’s rep actually admitted they didn’t do a good job in presenting substantial counter evidence and didn’t provide any specifics into what prior means or the fact trace amounts could be dependent on when he was tested.

It should be no surprise Quinn’s agent or any lawyer/agent representing a player vehemently deny the allegations, crap on the process, and espouse the player’s innocence by offering up a plausible alibi. PED usage is rampant and players take a calculated risk at getting popped. Part of that gamble is having a premeditated response for public consumption.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Here’s another one from Robinson Cano (MLB):

“Recently I learned that I tested positive for a substance called Furosemide, which is not a Performance Enhancing Substance,’’ Cano said in a statement issued by the Major League Players Association. "Furosemide is used to treat various medical conditions in the United States and the Dominican Republic. This substance was given to me by a licensed doctor in the Dominican Republic to treat a medical ailment. While I did not realize at the time that I was given a medication that was banned, I obviously now wish that I had been more careful.”

This is such a canned response. First, I highly doubt he wrote this himself. Second, the response is clear in what it’s attempting to do to the uninitiated:

• Establish that Furosemide is not a PED. Yeah, but it’s a diuretic that’s a known masking agent.
• Establish Furosemide’s legitimacy by speaking to its wide medical usage. Problem is MLB and the players' association's joint drug agreement stipulates that the "presence of a Diuretic or Masking Agent in a Player’s urine specimen shall be treated as a positive test result if the (independent program administrator) determines that the Player intended to avoid detection of his use of another Prohibited Substance." So Cano is being coy about it here.
• Establish the legitimacy of its usage by stating it was prescribed by a medical doctor. Yeah, once again a large number of PEDs and diuretics are used for legitimate medical conditions. The fact that a doctor prescribed it is not persuasive. Before marijuana was legalized in California the known running joke was that doctors would diagnose you with an ailment and prescribe you medical marijuana, so it’s not a risk for a doctor to prescribe a diuretic for a supposed medical condition.

 

[Sydla]

Why is plausibility being weighed so heavily?

I just grabbed the first three names I googled for PED suspensions. Each of those guys a have plausible excuse.

Marcus Rock brought up some good points. Quinn’s rep actually admitted they didn’t do a good job in presenting substantial counter evidence and didn’t provide any specifics into what prior means or the fact trace amounts could be dependent on when he was tested.

It should be no surprise Quinn’s agent or any lawyer/agent representing a player vehemently deny the allegations, crap on the process, and espouse the player’s innocence by offering up a plausible alibi. PED usage is rampant and players take a calculated risk at getting popped. Part of that gamble is having a premeditated response for public consumption.

Two of the guys you listed admitted they took something for performance and didn’t realize what was in it.

That’s far different than a guy with a trace amount of a masking agent in his blood stream that has a very plausible explanation backed with some evidence. Same with Tate who notified the league what happened before he was even tested.

Maybe Tate and Quinn are pulling some elaborate ruse here but in their cases I think the league should give them the benefit of the doubt, especially with first time offenders of the policy.

Further the league ham fists these things where they let some guy walk for bad meat he ate in Mexico but a guy notifying the league he’s on fertility drugs that may cause a failed test gets suspended. I am curious to see where Tate’s appeal goes.