Romo 3rd down stats

[Beast_from_East]

How do you explain this?

Tony Romo on 3rd down this season.

47.1 completion % (34th INFL)

5.7 yards per attempt (30th NFL)

57.6 Passer rating (32nd NFL)

Whats his numbers on first and second down?

Or is this a cherry pick thread?

 

[mitchell2254]

How many 2 yard outs thrown at Whittens feet on 3rd and long?

 

[alicetooljam]

Im NOT a Romo hater, the problems are everywhere...




Forty-one QBs have a better passer rating on third down than the Cowboys QB Tony Romo. Romo's rating? 57.6

Cowboys QB Tony Romo has completed only 47.1 percent of his attempts on third down, worst rate among starters who've played every game.



Game QB rating
New York Giants 90.8
Kansas City Chiefs 99.1
St. Louis Rams 137.2
San Diego Chargers 108.6
Denver Broncos 140.0
Washington Commanders 72.9
Philadelphia Eagles 69.2
Detroit Lions 102.9
Minnesota Vikings 90.1
New Orleans Saints 72.9

 

[Blackspider214]

This is what $110million dollars gets you these days?

 

[Beast_from_East]

This is what $110million dollars gets you these days?

Since Romo has a QB rating this season of 98.................he must be balling on first and second down.

 

[dstovall5]

This is what $110million dollars gets you these days?

For a top QB in th NFL, yup, that's pretty much market value.

 

[85Cowboy85]

It's kind of a weird thing. I haven't researched it extensively but I think third down passing tends to trend towards the career averages. It might be just a SSS thing. And yet the numbers percy posted seem to suggest that defenses are making some sort of adjustment towards Bryant and Witten.

I've been going through Tony's splits the last hour or so looking for trends throughout his career for various situational categories and it's all over the map. For the most part however he's been a good third down passer in his career.

There's a lot of noise involved in these situational stats because the sample size shrinks. For instance his ypa is 7.8 at home and 6.6 on the road. As much as Jerry would probably like to think Tony is playing up to the stadium he built I would guess that this is just statistical noise. And yet there is actually a much bigger sample size for that split then the third down passing.

The importance of third down tends to be exaggerated. It is actually no more or less important then first down. Ten yards on first counts the same as ten yards on third. Missing a throw on third down doesn't make you punt. It's missing throws three consecutive downs that does that.

 

[Blackspider214]

For a top QB in th NFL, yup, that's pretty much market value.

I wish we had one of those.

 

[Blackspider214]

Since Romo has a QB rating this season of 98.................he must be balling on first and second down.

He hasn't been balling for quite some time.

 

[dstovall5]

I wish we had one of those.

Had what? An intelligent fan base? Yah, I agree.

He hasn't been balling for quite some time.

I must be delusional, because I could've swore the week before last he had a game winning drive.

 

[noshame]

How do you explain this?

Tony Romo on 3rd down this season.

47.1 completion % (34th INFL)

5.7 yards per attempt (30th NFL)

57.6 Passer rating (32nd NFL)

I knew it was bad, but wow.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Whats his numbers on first and second down?

Or is this a cherry pick thread?

It wasnt my intention to cherry pick anything. I saw this and it was eye popping to me.

One of the biggest questions we have this season is what is wrong with the offense. I think there are a lot of things wrong, including Romo on 3rd down.

 

[ufcrules1]

It means that he's having a bad year like the rest of the team.

It's an anomaly as be is usually better than he's looked the last few weeks.

Not what you want to see out of your QB you just signed long term for 108m and they said would have more say so in the playcalling etc.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

NFL Rank on all downs (1st down, 2nd down, 3rd down)
(of top 10 rated passers)
Foles 1 (1, 1, 8)
Manning 2 (3, 2, 4)
Brees 3 (9, 5, 3)
Rodgers 4 (7, 4, 10)
Rivers 5 (2, 8, 17)
Wilson 6 (6, 3, 14)
Romo 7 (4, 6, 34)
Stafford 8 (16, 10, 9)
Ryan 9 (12, 9, 18)
Bradford 10 (8, 23, 22)

The 1st down rating carries more weight than 3rd down because there are 34% more pass attempts on 1st down than 3rd down. (Because there are more than twice as many 1st down plays as 3rd down plays). 3rd downs make up only 21.3% of all plays league-wide, and only 19.6% of the Cowboys' plays on offense. That's the reason Romo can rank 34th on 3rd down, but still rank 7th overall.

Which is not to say it isn't a terrible ranking, btw.

honestly Percy if I had to guess why the big swing in performance by down I'd say that Romo is clearly worse this year under pressure versus years past. When we are in an obvious passing situation is when things tend to go bad.

Romo just doesnt look very trusting behind the line when the heats on and really I dont blame him.

 

[ufcrules1]

Look how the top 4 3rd down targets split up the shares in 2013.

Games 1-5 (Romo's rating 85.2)
Witten 42.9%
Bryant 37.1%
Williams 11.4%
Austin 8.6%

Games 6-10 (Romo's rating 33.0)
Williams 37.1%
Beasley 28.6%
Bryant 22.9%
Witten 11.4%

In games 1-5, 80% of Romo's 3rd down passes went to either Witten or Bryant.

In games 6-10, it goes down to 34.3%.

Teams started figuring out the way to stop Romo... Double team his BFF.

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Jerry doesn't seem to think we are far off;

"I think we're an adjustment here, an adjustment there, and I know firsthand that our quarterback, our offensive coordinator, our head coach, our entire offensive staff are looking, evaluating and making adjustments. And I think they're making the kind of adjustments that are called for -- not dramatic, but the kinds that can make a difference in a route, how we bunch them up, how we do things to have a lot more production and keep that defense off the field. It needs some help, to say the least."

How far off the mark are the Cowboys on third downs? Judging just by the numbers, quarterback Tony Romo and the Cowboys might as well be miles away.

The painful proof:

• The Cowboys rank 30th in the NFL in third-down conversion rate (32.8 percent, 38-of-116).
  
• Romo's third-down QBR (19.8) ranks 29th in the NFL.
  
• Romo ranks 30th in the NFL in average yards per attempt on third downs (5.74).
  
• Romo's third-down passer rating (57.6) ranks 32nd in the NFL.
  
• Romo's third-down completion percentage (47.1) ranks 34th in the NFL.

That kind of production might call for some pretty dramatic adjustments.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4719497/jerry-on-offense-i-dont-think-were-far-away

 

[dragon_mikal]

Not what you want to see out of your QB you just signed long term for 108m and they said would have more say so in the playcalling etc.

No it isn't. Would like to spin something positive outa this but I can't so...

It's just bad all around, lol.

That kind of production might call for some pretty dramatic adjustments

Yea...a coach that doesn't devise his game plan on a Denny's napkin. Romo will not be benched while Jerry is GM and to be honest I don't think he should be.

 

[ufcrules1]

No it isn't. Would like to spin something positive outa this but I can't so...

It's just bad all around, lol.

Yeah, it's just bad all around. It's like we can't even get a glimmer of hope anywhere from the team this year. Offense sucks, Defense sucks, coaching sucks, depth sucks, and owner/gm REALLY sucks. Crazy thing is, we are tied for 1st place in our division.

But even winning the division and making the playoffs seems bad too. 1. We will get knocked out early with this team. 2. It will give Jerry a reason to keep JG, old man Kiffin and a few aging vets around. 3. We will get a first place schedule next year. 4. We will get a back 12 draft pick in the first round if the draft.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Yeah, it's just bad all around. It's like we can't even get a glimmer of hope anywhere from the team this year. Offense sucks, Defense sucks, coaching sucks, depth sucks, and owner/gm REALLY sucks. Crazy thing is, we are tied for 1st place in our division.

But even winning the division and making the playoffs seems bad too. 1. We will get knocked out early with this team. 2. It will give Jerry a reason to keep JG, old man Kiffin and a few aging vets around. 3. We will get a first place schedule next year. 4. We will get a back 12 draft pick in the first round if the draft.

I have to agree with you. Any scenario that gives Jerry an excuse to maintain the status quo is a scenario I don't want to happen.

It kind of reminds me of Parcells first year and how the success led to the organization thinking they were farther along than they actually were. I think making the playoffs that year hurt the team more than helped though it was amazing seeing Parcells work his magic on a bad roster.

 

[ufcrules1]

I have to agree with you as much as don't want to. Any scenario that gives Jerry an excuse to maintain the status quo is a scenario I don't want to happen.

It kind of reminds me of Parcells first year and how the success led to the organization thinking they were father along than they actually were. I think making they playoffs that year hurt the team more than helped though it was amazing seeing Parcells work his magic on a bad roster.

Yeah, I wish Parcells would have stayed. He was the best thing that happened to the team in the last 18 years. If he had time he could have truly made us a contender. Although I'm not positive of that with Jerry's ego in the background trying to make all the decisions.