Romo 4 Cutler ?
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theogt;2666958 said:
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CrazyCowboy;2667068 said:
nothing wrong with being a homer (as I am), but I can't see how a neutral observer would think Romo is the better pick to bet the future of your franchise on. I'd be floored if Cutler's value isn't far higher than Romo's around the league. He's had less talent around him, is younger, has a stronger arm. Everything about his progression in the NFL screams Superstar. It doesn't make me not a cowboys fan to say that, salary cap aside, I'd trade Romo for Cutler in a heartbeat. I'd take Romo over 2/3 of the QB's in the NFL, but his "potential" doesn't seem to touch Cutler's.
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CATCH17;2666977 said:
Romo is one of my favorite players on the team. He is my CZ backgroud and my wife and I have two jerseys we wear to work on Casual Fridays.
I am just a fan of talent. Always will be. I liked watching TO play when he was an Eagle and knew Randy Moss had more left in the tank in Oakland.
You cant teach height, speed and arm strength. I just like the big arm Qb's. The ones who underthrow a WR by 10 yards , into triple coverage , with future HOF playing centerfield just annoy the hell out of me.
Romo's arm hinders JG's playcalling and limits the field. TO can almost outrun anyone on the field yet Romo cant hit him deep in stride to save his life (Once every 4 games doesnt count.)
He is just like Cutler, unproven with less upside.
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I just have two questions for the Cutler fans?
1) If Cutler was so good why did Shanahan get fired?
2) Would you be excited about a guy whose Td to INT ratio is worse than Romo's?
As to the thought Cutler carried that team the truth is those people didn't watch games in December. Cutler lost the Broncos games with bad mistakes that were eerily similar to Romo plays.
And Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal hardly qualify as having nothing.
As does having Shanahan as offensive play caller.
Something we prayed for here.
Denver was willing to ship off Cutler for Cassel.
Dallas would have laughed in the Pats face at that offer.
Cutler locally in Denver has proven to have a rather prickly personality.
He is not so beloved there.
1) If Cutler was so good why did Shanahan get fired?
2) Would you be excited about a guy whose Td to INT ratio is worse than Romo's?
As to the thought Cutler carried that team the truth is those people didn't watch games in December. Cutler lost the Broncos games with bad mistakes that were eerily similar to Romo plays.
And Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal hardly qualify as having nothing.
As does having Shanahan as offensive play caller.
Something we prayed for here.
Denver was willing to ship off Cutler for Cassel.
Dallas would have laughed in the Pats face at that offer.
Cutler locally in Denver has proven to have a rather prickly personality.
He is not so beloved there.
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jterrell;2667191 said:
I would take cutler over romo in a heartbeat, hell, i would throw in dexter coakley to sweeten the deal.
but on a more serious note, Cutler was the last reason Shanahan was fired last season. That had to do with another late season collapse and the broncs missing the playoffs after having the afc west nearly locked up. Sure you can pass some of the blame to Cutler, but cmon, the Denver RB committee last season was a complete joke, Cutler was on his own out there.
Now on comparing Romo to Cutler:
Romo threw to TO, Witten and RW11 this season with Barber, Choice and Felix in the backfield. He damn well should have a better td to int ratio than cutler. I love Romo, but he just doesn't have the physical traits Cutler has.
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Nine teams that should drop everything and go after Jay Cutler
By MJD
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I know the Broncos say that they don't want to trade Jay Cutler anymore, but as concerned members of the NFL community, I believe it's our duty to assume that they're lying. Because 1) they probably are, and 2) what else are we supposed to do with the offseason if we can't speculate about aggrieved players changing teams?
And it's rare that someone as young and as good as Cutler is even rumored to be on the trading block. Think about it: When's the last time you heard about a 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback even coming close to being traded?
That's why I think it's incumbent on any GM out there with a substandard quarterback situation to make a call to the Broncos. If they were willing to trade him last week, they'd be willing to trade him this week. I don't care what they say. The announcement about not trading him is designed only to soothe Jay Cutler's feelings.
I've come up with nine teams -- and there are probably more than that, but I decided to go the conservative route -- that should stop at nothing short of kidnapping to get Jay Cutler. Here we go, in no particular order:
Minnesota Vikings: I expressed a moderate amount of confidence in the pairing of Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels. And I'm not taking that back or anything; I still believe that between the two of them, maybe somewhere in there exists a quarterback who doesn't completely suck. Cutler's a few steps ahead of that, though.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Last year, they couldn't decide between Jeff Garcia and Brian Griese. It will be remarkable if they find a way to make next year worse, but that's the path they're on.
Tennessee Titans: Here's a chance to undo that whole "Hey, let's draft Vince Young" mistake. And yes, they just committed a lot of money to Kerry Collins, but come on ... if you get Cutler, you're getting someone who can be a cornerstone for the next 10 years. Collins gives you a middling quarterback for the next year or so. Cutler puts a whole new dimension into the offense.
Cleveland Browns: If they truly don't believe in Brady Quinn, they ought to do something about it.
Chicago Bears: They appear to be happy with Kyle Orton, which is not a view that I would endorse.
San Francisco 49ers: They seem to have a void at quarterback, but the more I look at their roster, the more I think Cutler wouldn't fit in with the team's "Let's not have any talent of offense" philosophy. Besides, I'm still holding out hope that Alex Smith turns into a superstar.
New York Jets: I haven't given up hope on Kellen Clemens by any means, but I'd rather have Cutler, who's way closer to a sure thing. And Bus Cook does know the way to the Meadowlands.
Detroit Lions: You can draft Matthew Stafford, and if everything goes as well as it possibly can (because that so often happens to the Lions), in three years, he'll look like what Cutler looks like right now.
Carolina Panthers: I like Jake Delhomme, but he's not getting any younger. For a team that's got just about everything else in place, it's worth looking into.
By MJD
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I know the Broncos say that they don't want to trade Jay Cutler anymore, but as concerned members of the NFL community, I believe it's our duty to assume that they're lying. Because 1) they probably are, and 2) what else are we supposed to do with the offseason if we can't speculate about aggrieved players changing teams?
And it's rare that someone as young and as good as Cutler is even rumored to be on the trading block. Think about it: When's the last time you heard about a 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback even coming close to being traded?
That's why I think it's incumbent on any GM out there with a substandard quarterback situation to make a call to the Broncos. If they were willing to trade him last week, they'd be willing to trade him this week. I don't care what they say. The announcement about not trading him is designed only to soothe Jay Cutler's feelings.
I've come up with nine teams -- and there are probably more than that, but I decided to go the conservative route -- that should stop at nothing short of kidnapping to get Jay Cutler. Here we go, in no particular order:
Minnesota Vikings: I expressed a moderate amount of confidence in the pairing of Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels. And I'm not taking that back or anything; I still believe that between the two of them, maybe somewhere in there exists a quarterback who doesn't completely suck. Cutler's a few steps ahead of that, though.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Last year, they couldn't decide between Jeff Garcia and Brian Griese. It will be remarkable if they find a way to make next year worse, but that's the path they're on.
Tennessee Titans: Here's a chance to undo that whole "Hey, let's draft Vince Young" mistake. And yes, they just committed a lot of money to Kerry Collins, but come on ... if you get Cutler, you're getting someone who can be a cornerstone for the next 10 years. Collins gives you a middling quarterback for the next year or so. Cutler puts a whole new dimension into the offense.
Cleveland Browns: If they truly don't believe in Brady Quinn, they ought to do something about it.
Chicago Bears: They appear to be happy with Kyle Orton, which is not a view that I would endorse.
San Francisco 49ers: They seem to have a void at quarterback, but the more I look at their roster, the more I think Cutler wouldn't fit in with the team's "Let's not have any talent of offense" philosophy. Besides, I'm still holding out hope that Alex Smith turns into a superstar.
New York Jets: I haven't given up hope on Kellen Clemens by any means, but I'd rather have Cutler, who's way closer to a sure thing. And Bus Cook does know the way to the Meadowlands.
Detroit Lions: You can draft Matthew Stafford, and if everything goes as well as it possibly can (because that so often happens to the Lions), in three years, he'll look like what Cutler looks like right now.
Carolina Panthers: I like Jake Delhomme, but he's not getting any younger. For a team that's got just about everything else in place, it's worth looking into.
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koolaid;2667282 said:
rofl....
Romo didn't ever have all 3 of those running backs. He had Barber early with a couple touches per week to Felix then no Felix. Then he had no Barber.
He got RW11 mid year and never got anything going with him.
The Broncos had Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshell plus a solid TE twosome in Dan Graham who is a great blocker and Tony Scheffler who is a very good pass receiver.
You are correct it was the collapse that got him fired.
But that collapse coincided with the worst play of the season from Cutler.
From week 12 on Cutler tossed a pick every week. He had 6 TDs and 7 picks in that time. The Bronco offense scored 10 points in losing to the 5 win Raiders by 21 points.
The last 3 games they lost by a combined score of 54-112 and Cutler tossed 2 Tds with 4 INTs. They also only played 6 games against playoff teams all year.
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bbgun;2667297 said:
You can add in the Commanders: Jay Cutler>Jason Campbell.
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Nonsensical questions.jterrell;2667191 said:
Dan Reeves got fired, and he had one of the best QBs of all time playing for him. So did Jim Mora. So have many others. Wade Phillips will probably be fired in about 10 months, and he has Romo playing for him.
Lots of QBs have had poor ratios, especially early in their career. Once again Elway and Manning, for example.
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Anyone who would take Cutler over Romo has lost their ****ing mind. Romo is more mobile, more accurate, sees the whole field better and for those of you saying he has no arm strength, it didn't look that way to me when he hit Owens on a 78 yard bomb against Philly. Too many of you are spoiled. Romo hasn't won a Super Bowl in the three years he's started so obviously he sucks. I thank God every day that none of you were the GM after Aikman's third year as a starter. You would have traded him for Jeff George because, just like Cutler, he has a big arm and is a coach killer. UNBELIEVABLE!
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Double Trouble;2667316 said:
Reeves was fired because Elway wanted him fired.
Good try there tho....
Who said Jim Mora was a good coach?
Who said Wade was a good coach for that matter?
Shanahan is a supposed genius.
BTW, Shanahan would have gotten Romo if he could then he never would have drafted Cutler in all likelihood and he'd probably still have a job.
That's the problem Wade faces now in reverse. Once you credit someone as a franchise Qb they win or the Coach goes. If they are overrated bye-bye coach.
I generally like Cutler. He has a strong arm and he is a good overall athlete but what QB has struggled in Denver really? Plummer ended his career with better numbers than Cutler has now per year. Griese averaged about a 85 QB rating there. All in all no QB in Denver has struggled too mightily. And while there were some years of excellent backfields they also had some years with one year wonders(Olandis Gary, Droughns, Mike Anderson) who were made by the system.
The real issue tho is this.
How has Cutler improved? His QB rating has gone in reverse. His supposed sophomore slump was due to the diabetes. But he had better 2nd year numbers than last year. Even worse his final month last year was the worst month of the season and perhaps the worst ball he has played as a pro.
We can talk about his upside but he has almost the same number of NFL starts as Romo. 37 for Cutler, 39 for Romo.
I'd agree with the article MJD wrote that about 8 or 9 teams should go all they can to acquire him but the Cowboys weren't on that list and with good reason.