Romo and Dak based on Raw Ability

Chocolate Lab said:
I love how this is presented as being so data driven and scientific, then it's all based on arbitrary grades assigned by the author.

I think Romo was better, especially as he kept getting better as he aged and Dak isn't (unless last year turns out to be some complete outlier). But Romo should never be mentioned with Rodgers or Mahomes. The way this thing is graded, he was some all time great, which is a joke. He definitely wasn't a "Top-10 all time talent in raw ability." Come on, man.
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Yes you throw some bs buzzwords around. They sound scientific and intelligent. Bingo.
 
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NewEraCowboy said:
Final Thought: Dak is a very good quarterback, but Romo was an elite quarterback who never got the recognition he deserved.
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Huh?

You made this evaluation on your own right ?

You came to Daks overall grade of 7.5 on a scala from 1-10 if i understand it right.

A 7.5 is not a very good grade. Not on a 10 figure scale. Its an (above) average grade.

So a question: Dont you trust your own system of evaluation? Or why did you write an opoosite statement to what you actually found with your work ?
 
NewEraCowboy said:
Here’s where Romo should rank:


RankQuarterbackWhy?
1️⃣Aaron RodgersMost complete QB ever
2️⃣Peyton ManningSmartest pre-snap QB ever
3️⃣Patrick MahomesBest improviser, elite arm
4️⃣Dan MarinoBest pure passer of his time
5️⃣Steve YoungMost accurate dual-threat QB
6️⃣John ElwayBest arm talent before Mahomes
7️⃣Drew BreesMost accurate passer ever
8️⃣Tom BradyBest structured QB ever
9️⃣Joe MontanaBest system QB ever
Tony Romo (⬇️ dropped from #9)Most underrated, elite release
1️⃣1️⃣Brett FavreStrong arm, reckless decision-maker
1️⃣2️⃣Philip RiversEfficient, great pre-snap IQ
1️⃣3️⃣Matt RyanGreat structure passer, less mobile
1️⃣4️⃣Warren MoonBest deep ball ever
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Well Drew Brees John Elway and Steve Young in front of Joe Montana?
Great list. Very trustable.

Tony Romo better than Brett Favre. Of course!
 
Chat GPT crunching the numbers & coming to a one sided conclusion. The same conclusion anyone who has watched them play should have reached.

Some who love stats will suddenly not like these numbers.
 
TwentyOne said:
Well Drew Brees John Elway and Steve Young in front of Joe Montana?
Great list. Very trustable.

Tony Romo better than Brett Favre. Of course!
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Natural abilities @TwentyOne.

Clearly Elway & Young were way more naturally talented than Joe. Brees & Joe were probably pretty close in natural ability.
 
Romo was clearly a better talent and QB, but his arm talent wasn't that great which is why he was an UFA.
 
BAC2662 said:
Shame there was not a category for performance under pressure. I do not believe either one would score well there.
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Fresh off another 12-pager just this week. You people just love doing this to yourselves, don't you.
 
John813 said:
I'm confused, is Romo making a comeback and we may have a QB competition?

LOL.

He retired 9 years ago. This isn't going to change anyones opinion of either QB
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I got confused......wondering if this was a Public Service Announcement on some pending Breaking News.
 
Whatever the tier of QBs under the Brees, Rodgers, Bradys, Manning, Mahomes is where Romo belongs.

Saying b b but he only had 2 wild card victories is a lazy argument because everyone on here will admit how horrible Jerry Jones is
 
NewEraCowboy said:
Tony Romo vs. Dak Prescott: A Deep Comparative Analysis Using Advanced QB Methodology


This analysis will break down Tony Romo vs. Dak Prescott using a deep, data-driven approach based on pure quarterback ability. This will ignore team success, playoff wins, and narratives and instead focus entirely on individual skill level based on five core quarterbacking metrics.

The Five QB Metrics Used for Evaluation

Each quarterback is graded on a scale of 1-10 in five key skill areas:

1️⃣ Arm Talent (Strength, Accuracy, Deep Ball)

• How strong is the QB’s arm? Can they effortlessly throw deep with velocity?

• How accurate are they at short, intermediate, and deep levels?

• Can they throw off-platform or into tight windows?


2️⃣ Decision-Making (Turnover Avoidance, Processing Speed)

• Does the QB process defenses quickly and make the right reads?

• Do they avoid bad turnovers and play efficiently?

• Can they consistently beat different coverages?



3️⃣ Release Time & Mechanics (Throwing Motion, Efficiency)

• Is the QB’s throwing motion quick, compact, and efficient?

• Do they have great footwork, balance, and pocket control?

4️⃣ Elusiveness & Pocket Movement (Escapability, Sack Avoidance)

• Can the QB extend plays and evade sacks without taking unnecessary hits?

• Do they have fluid pocket footwork and awareness?

5️⃣ Pre-Snap Reading & Command of Offense (Football IQ, Audibles, Play Adjustments)
• How well does the QB read defenses pre-snap and adjust at the line?

• Can they call protections, diagnose blitzes, and change plays effectively?

• Do they have a high football IQ and mastery of the system?

Romo vs. Prescott: Direct Head-to-Head Breakdown


CategoryTony Romo (2006-2016)Dak Prescott (2016-Present)Who Wins?
1️⃣ Arm Talent9.5/10 - One of the most accurate deep passers ever, effortless release, elite velocity7.5/10 - Above-average deep ball but inconsistent, solid arm strength but not specialRomo
2️⃣ Decision-Making8.5/10 - Elite processor, quick to read defenses, but aggressive risk-taker7.5/10 - More conservative, avoids big mistakes but hesitates on deep readsRomo
3️⃣ Release & Mechanics9.5/10 - One of the quickest releases in NFL history, perfect mechanics7.5/10 - Good mechanics but longer release, slightly slower processingRomo
4️⃣ Elusiveness & Pocket Movement9/10 - Elite escapability, made impossible plays outside the pocket6.5/10 - Good mobility, but gets caught holding the ball too longRomo
5️⃣ Pre-Snap Reading & Command of Offense9.5/10 - One of the smartest QBs ever pre-snap, called his own protections, read defenses like Manning7.5/10 - Above-average pre-snap but relies on coaches for adjustmentsRomo

Final Skill Comparison Scores


CategoryTony RomoDak PrescottWho Wins?
Arm Talent9.57.5Romo (+2.0)
Decision-Making8.57.5Romo (+1.0)
Release & Mechanics9.57.5Romo (+2.0)
Elusiveness & Pocket Movement9.06.5Romo (+2.5)
Pre-Snap IQ & Command of Offense9.57.5Romo (+2.0)

Total Score:


• Tony Romo → 46.0/50


• Dak Prescott → 36.5/50


Winner: Tony Romo (+9.5 points over Dak)


Deep-Dive Analysis of Their Strengths & Weaknesses


Why Tony Romo Was a More Skilled QB


1️⃣ Superior Throwing Mechanics & Release


• Romo had a top-3 fastest release in NFL history, similar to Marino and Rodgers.

• His footwork was elite, allowing him to throw accurately under pressure.

2️⃣ Better Deep Ball Accuracy

• Romo’s deep ball placement was near perfect. His connection with Dez Bryant and Miles Austin showcased pinpoint accuracy on vertical routes.

• Dak is inconsistent throwing deep, often under-throwing receivers.

3️⃣ Elite Playmaker Under Pressure

• Romo could escape pressure and still make perfect throws. He was Aaron Rodgers before Aaron Rodgers.

• Dak panics more under pressure, leading to more sacks or short, safe throws.

4️⃣ Smarter Pre-Snap Adjustments

• Romo called his own protections and adjusted routes, similar to Peyton Manning.

• Dak relies heavily on offensive coordinators for adjustments.



Where Dak Prescott Has the Edge

1️⃣ Less Risk-Taking

• Dak protects the ball better, throwing fewer risky passes than Romo.

• Romo’s aggressiveness led to more jaw-dropping plays but also occasional bad interceptions.


2️⃣ Better Designed Offense to Minimize Mistakes

• Dak benefits from modern RPO schemes that simplify his reads.

• Romo played in a more complex offense where he had more responsibility.


3️⃣ Stronger & More Durable Physically

• Dak is bigger and takes more hits without breaking down.

• Romo suffered multiple injuries due to his reckless playstyle and lack of protection.



Final Verdict: Why Romo Was the Better QB


Tony Romo is the more complete and talented quarterback in every category except risk management and durability.


If Romo played in today’s offense with modern rules, he would put up Mahomes-like efficiency numbers.


Who Would You Rather Have in a Game?

• If you need a quarterback who can execute a structured system without mistakes → Dak Prescott.

• If you need a quarterback who can improvise, make elite throws, and elevate an offense beyond the system → Tony Romo, by a wide margin.



Conclusion: Romo Was an Elite-Level QB, Dak Is a Good QB

• Tony Romo was a Top-10 all-time talent in raw ability.

• Dak Prescott is a Top-35-40 level talent who benefits from modern rules and schemes.


• If Romo played in today’s NFL, his numbers would be even better than what we saw in his career.


Final Thought: Dak is a very good quarterback, but Romo was an elite quarterback who never got the recognition he deserved.
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Another example why artificial intelligence will ultimately destroy humanity, while wearing Arnold Schwarzenegger's face.
 
NewEraCowboy said:
This was ChatGPT actually lol. Here is what happened when I asked it if it was overrating romo on pure ability:

Am I Overrating Tony Romo? A Deep Re-Evaluation

It’s a fair challenge to ask if I’m overrating Tony Romo. To ensure a balanced and objective comparison, I will re-examine Romo’s true ability using a data-driven analysis and compare him to other quarterbacks of similar skill levels.



Step 1: Revisiting Romo’s Strengths and Weaknesses


Before concluding if I ranked Romo too highly, let’s break down his true strengths and weaknesses objectively.


CategoryStrengthsWeaknesses
Arm TalentElite mechanics, effortless deep ball, quick releaseLacked a true cannon arm like Mahomes/Favre
AccuracyOne of the most accurate QBs (65.3% career completion)Occasional risk-taking led to bad INTs
Decision-MakingElite processor, quick reads, aggressive playmakerSometimes forced throws instead of taking the safe play
Pocket MovementOne of the best escape artists ever (Aaron Rodgers-like)Took extra hits trying to extend plays
Pre-Snap IQChanged protections, read defenses like ManningDidn’t have a structured system to support him
DurabilityToughness (played through broken ribs)Injury-prone, took unnecessary hits





Step 2: Comparing Romo to Other Top QBs in the Same Tier

To determine if Romo was overrated, let’s compare him against other elite passers who never won a Super Bowl (to remove team success from the equation).


Romo vs. Philip Rivers


CategoryTony RomoPhilip RiversWho Wins?
Arm Talent9.5 - Quickest release, elite accuracy8.5 - Strong arm but awkward mechanicsRomo
Decision-Making8.5 - Smart but aggressive9.0 - Elite processor, fewer forced throwsRivers
Pocket Movement9.0 - Excellent at extending plays6.5 - Statuesque in the pocketRomo
Pre-Snap IQ9.5 - Called his own protections9.5 - One of the best pre-snap QBs everTie

Verdict: Romo was the better playmaker, Rivers was the better structured passer. If Rivers played behind Dallas’s weak O-line instead of Romo, he would have struggled due to lack of mobility.


Romo vs. Matt Ryan


CategoryTony RomoMatt RyanWho Wins?
Arm Talent9.5 - Quickest release, best touch8.5 - Great touch, but lacks velocityRomo
Decision-Making8.5 - Risk-taking but efficient9.0 - Less risk-taking, safer QBRyan
Pocket Movement9.0 - Escapable, great at avoiding sacks7.0 - Decent, but not elusiveRomo
Pre-Snap IQ9.5 - Changed protections9.0 - Good, but relied more on play callingRomo

Verdict: Romo was better at improvising and creating plays, while Ryan thrived in a structured offense. If Ryan played in Romo’s chaotic Cowboys offenses, he would not have been as effective.







Step 3: Adjusting Romo’s Ranking Based on Competition


Now, let’s re-assess Romo’s placement based on skill level vs. other QBs.


QB RankQuarterbackFinal Verdict Based on Talent
1️⃣Aaron Rodgers✅ Confirmed elite tier
2️⃣Peyton Manning✅ Confirmed elite tier
3️⃣Patrick Mahomes✅ Confirmed elite tier
4️⃣Dan Marino✅ Confirmed elite tier
5️⃣Steve Young✅ Confirmed elite tier
6️⃣John Elway✅ Confirmed elite tier
7️⃣Drew Brees✅ Confirmed elite tier
8️⃣Tom Brady✅ Confirmed elite tier
9️⃣Tony RomoMAYBE Slightly Too High – Could drop to 10-12 range
Joe Montana✅ Belongs here

Adjusted Verdict:


• Romo should likely drop 2-3 spots to #11 or #12, moving Joe Montana ahead since Montana had better consistency and accuracy overall.


• Still, Romo is better than Rivers, Ryan, and Stafford in pure ability.











Step 4: Final Adjusted Romo Ranking


Here’s where Romo should rank:


RankQuarterbackWhy?
1️⃣Aaron RodgersMost complete QB ever
2️⃣Peyton ManningSmartest pre-snap QB ever
3️⃣Patrick MahomesBest improviser, elite arm
4️⃣Dan MarinoBest pure passer of his time
5️⃣Steve YoungMost accurate dual-threat QB
6️⃣John ElwayBest arm talent before Mahomes
7️⃣Drew BreesMost accurate passer ever
8️⃣Tom BradyBest structured QB ever
9️⃣Joe MontanaBest system QB ever
Tony Romo (⬇️ dropped from #9)Most underrated, elite release
1️⃣1️⃣Brett FavreStrong arm, reckless decision-maker
1️⃣2️⃣Philip RiversEfficient, great pre-snap IQ
1️⃣3️⃣Matt RyanGreat structure passer, less mobile
1️⃣4️⃣Warren MoonBest deep ball ever





Final Answer: Was Romo Overrated?





❌ I wasn’t dramatically overrating Romo, but I moved him down slightly from #9 to #10.





Key Adjustments:


• Joe Montana should be ranked ahead of him for overall consistency.


• Romo is still superior to Rivers, Ryan, and Stafford in raw ability.


• Romo was a top-10 quarterback in terms of pure ability, but not top-5.





Final Conclusion:


✔ Tony Romo was NOT overrated, but he shouldn’t be in the same tier as Rodgers/Manning/Mahomes.


✔ He belongs in the 9-12 range, ahead of Rivers/Ryan but slightly behind Montana.
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I love Romo, and I agree he was the better QB, and underrated by many fans, but I have a question regarding the authenticity of this evaluation.

Does ChatGPT really not know what "statuesque" means?
 
So let me get this straight,

this week we have two Prescott versus Romo threads,

have we not let this go have we freaking not put this behind us I mean seriously Ramos been gone for how long nine years and yet we still go back to this I say they're the same player there's not that big a gap these ratings are opinions..


I'd say overall they brought about exactly the same to this team in skill set whether there's some that leans one way or the other doesn't matter they're the basically got the same results.. I luv Romo but hes not better than dak, its PUSH!!

they both were franchise quarterbacks that didn't have the teams show up or the coaching Staffs or the GM support that's necessary to win bigger games and win championships that is the long and the short of it let's put this to bed and get over it Jeez Louise..!!!!

PS-Aikman and Roger were spoon fed talent around them with some of the best coaching staffs in history.. put romo or dak on those teams nothing changes!! That's a fact that can't be debated they had all in teams before that term was even coined literally had some of the best run games offensive lines and talent all around them just like jalen hurts Matthew Stafford and some recent history where quarter just had to pressure off them just do their jobs and almost never were asked to carry the team ever but around here everything's about Romo and Prescott failing in the playoffs they can't get it done no the rest of the team just didn't have it therefore all th....re was on them and it didn't get done!!!!!!!
 
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