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Carrs total cap charge would be 6mil. prorated SB still applies to the cap. thats what i go by not by how much the player is making personally. Looking at it as anything different then the total cap charge is a stupid way to look at it when talking about the cap situation. I know you know what i mean when i talk about Carr specifically. IDK if its just trolling or what but whatever.
It's been discussed here many times recently by more than just me that the 2015 cap is not the issue. The Cowboys are making decisions based on future years. They have the ability to do just about anything under the 2015 cap itself but will limit their spending based on the multiple year cap effect.

Focusing on just the cap hit is the uninformed way to look at it, especially in terms of what you can expect the player to actually accept.

If you are lowering his cap hit to 6M then that means that he takes a pay cut from 8M to 1.3M.
Current cap hit = 12.7M
New Cap hit = 6M
Difference 12.7M - 6M = 6.7M
The Difference has to come out of his base salary 8M - 6.7M = 1.3M.


On McClain so Jerry would have to write him a check for 5mil for the SB. but a base of 1mil. 1mil base 1mil pro rated against the cap is alot?
That's a 6M guarantee in the spring of 2015 for a guy that has a lot of question marks surrounding him. A contract more like Melton signed for 2014 would seem more reasonable. One where he has incentives in the 1st year and then gets the significant guarantee in later years.

Tyrons deal is meant to be restructured on a yearly basis if need. yes the money is trickled down for 5 yrs. But there are yrs where there is no prorated bonus right now because of the length. If thye keep restructuring him thats like having a whole new contract after the 5th yr without having to restructure a new one. This was genius by the cowboys and awsome by tyron to accept. He understood the terms and new Dallas would giving him more guaranteed money throughout the contract because of how they run the cap. wouldnt be suprised when its said and done about 40-45mil wouldnt been given to him up front instead of waiting for them weekley paychecks. Something Dez doesnt understand. Just because the SB was small in their offer didnt mean they werent going to restructure to get more to him. Im sure his agent told him what any agent would in they can cut you and you wouldnt see most of that money. But lets be honest Dallas isnt cutting Dez. that was a bad buisness decision by his agent. Dez fired him after too.
He took a contract with 22M guaranteed up front with a 10M SB and the 1st two years guaranteed. In 2015 you're giving him a restructure bonus in place of his base salary but that base was already guaranteed. In the following years he will get restructure bonuses that replace that upcoming year's salary. That salary was already going to be guaranteed when the season started. The only change is that it gets guaranteed in March instead of September.

The only significant issues in his contract are that he agreed to a reasonable up front 22M guarantee and that it's a long term, somewhat back loaded contract that is good for the team in the event that he got a career ending injury. Getting continuous restructures is not a significant benefit to him. It just moves the guarantee for that year from September to March.


Actually theres plenty of reports around the net on his progress wich has been reported as very good. He himself has said he will be working ut and doing some things for scouts before the draft. And then still has 4months from the draft before the first game. But youre right we dont know. Still like him at 27.
The issue is that if teams expect him to be ready for game 1 or for training camp, then he is unlikely to be available at #27. If he is not going to be ready and drops to #27 then it's questionable if the Cowboys are in a good situation to wait for a player to return at mid season.

The refused to pay Free with the way he was paying and their cap situation. Right now he is a different player and the situation is different. Why do you think that its automatically thinking its 5mil a yr? They can pay him 1mil in a base and 2 in his prorated bonus, leave it at 1mil in the 2nd yr or kick it up a little and have a 3-4mil cap hit in yr 2. and cut him in yr three and have a 2mil cap hit, but save 5-6mil on the cap in that 3rd yr.
You were giving him a SB of 5M and probably a 1M salary. That's 6M guaranteed for 2015 for a guy that is 31 and has had ankle surgeries the past two off-seasons. It seems that you are implying that it would be:
SB 5M
2015 1M
2016 1M
2017 8M

Then that's really a 2 year, 7M contract but your guaranteeing him 6M for 2015 just so that you don't have to restructure Romo. You could just pay him 3.5M per with no SB and be done with it. If he has issues in 2015 then you're only on the hook for the 3.5M. You're risking the extra amount just for the purpose of pushing some money forward but you could just restructure Romo and have less overall risk.


Why pay Beasley 2.1mil for 1 yr when you can sign him for more yrs. I can bet you that he would get offered more as a UFA. Dallas has been doing this with their top RFA for yrs. They did this exact same thing with Barry Church in 2012. Whats the problem? They gave Church 8mil after a couple games then his injury. but still gave him the 8mil after the season ended.
According to both Spotrac and OTC, Barry Church signed a 4 year / $8,827,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $2,500,000 signing bonus, $3,327,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $2,206,750. I thought his contract was a little more, but they both have it at 8.8M total.

Church plays 100% of the defensive snaps and about 50% of the Special Teams snaps. Beasley plays about 35% of the offensive snaps and none of Special Teams.
 

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Just a small adjustment or two.
If you're going to re-structure Smith down 10 million.
And you're 11 million at draft time to sign.
I would have only taken part of the contract and let us get 6 milion CAP savings from it.
I would not have given Doug Free that large of a SB.
But other than that it all looks great.
Thank you.

Tyron's base salary is guaranteed anyway. Restructuring just gives him most of his 2015 salary in March instead of paying him throughout the season. If his restructure generates excess cap space they can carry that over to 2016.
 

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Why don't you like Beasely? I too didn't like him that much first but really grew on me this season. He's very good in his niche.

The issue with Beasley is that he averages about 35% of the offensive snaps and does not play special teams.

A guy like Barry Church plays 100% of the defensive snaps and 50% of the special teams snaps.

Beasley is a good niche player but that's a lot of money allocated to a niche player.
 

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Colt McCoy, you have such little faith In Dustin. I know Dalals sucks at the backup qb role because they ignore it and never let guys get a chance, but come on, if you cant get a future guy, at least leave it in Dustins hands to see if he can do anything with it.

Most is great, I dont get the Carter love, or the Beasley love. The draft doesnt have to instant starters this year, so your picks are realistic, but you usually have good mock drafts. So thats nothing new.

Good work overall. Again, nothing new.

It does make you wonder. If Vaughan is not good enough to be the #2 QB in 2015, will he ever be good enough to be a #1? The only reason I can see to carry him as a #3 is to develop him into a starter. With that logic it's seem he should either be #2 in 2015 or not on the team.
 

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Calvin Johnson signed a 7 year / $113,450,000 contract with the Detroit Lions, including a $16,000,000 signing bonus, $48,750,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $16,207,143.

thought i saw 33 lastnight on him. i was looking at avgs on top WRs not 33 but not 60 either. But Dallas isnt going to get nowhere near that guaranteed money.

3/13/2012: Signed an eight-year, $150.5 million contract. The deal contains $60 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus, all of Johnson's base salaries in years one through four, and $9 million of his 2016 salary. Megatron was paid a $20 million option bonus and additional $4.285 million "signing" bonus in the 2013 offseason. 2014: $5 million, 2015: $12.5 million, 2016: $15.95 million, 2017: $16.5 million, 2018: $17 million ($3.5 million guaranteed if team "buys back" final two years), 2019: $18.25 million, 2020: Free Agent
 

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I said the 1st 3 rds were for starters, not drafting developmental players. You can shoot for it, and last year, if you count hitches as one of dallas' top 3 picks, they got 3 starters. I know you can't hit on all 3, but you can try.

Hitchens was only a starter because of injuries. So would you say the Pats had a bad draft last year?
 

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Hitchens was only a starter because of injuries. So would you say the Pats had a bad draft last year?

I never brought up the Pats. Why are you comparing the Cowboys to them? They are not in the same class as them at the moment. Still, Hitchens was a starter, and he was a 4th rounder not a 3rd rounder.
 

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I never brought up the Pats. Why are you comparing the Cowboys to them? They are not in the same class as them at the moment. Still, Hitchens was a starter, and he was a 4th rounder not a 3rd rounder.

Hitchens wasn't meant to be a starter and if Wilcox or Church gets hurt, guess what, Cody Prewitt will be starting too (he will be put in the exact same position Hitchens was this year).
 

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Hitchens wasn't meant to be a starter and if Wilcox or Church gets hurt, guess what, Cody Prewitt will be starting too (he will be put in the exact same position Hitchens was this year).

I don't get your argument. What I think you are arguing, is me saying the 1st 3 rounds, you should get a starter. So that is what you are arguing with me about? I said, he was a 4th round pick, so he does not even fit the mold of 1st 3 round, think I said.
 

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I don't get your argument. What I think you are arguing, is me saying the 1st 3 rounds, you should get a starter. So that is what you are arguing with me about? I said, he was a 4th round pick, so he does not even fit the mold of 1st 3 round, think I said.

HITCHENS WASN'T MEANT TO BE A STARTER... JUST LIKE YOU ARE COMPLAINING THAT PREWITT WON'T BE MEANT TO BE A STARTER. That explain it well enough for you or should I use shorter words?
 

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HITCHENS WASN'T MEANT TO BE A STARTER... JUST LIKE YOU ARE COMPLAINING THAT PREWITT WON'T BE MEANT TO BE A STARTER. That explain it well enough for you or should I use shorter words?

I think, you should go back to my original argument. I used hitches as an example of hitting on another draft pick.
 

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I think, you should go back to my original argument. I used hitches as an example of hitting on another draft pick.

No your original argument was that you didn't want to draft someone to be a backup in the first three rounds... which Hitchens was. If your first 3 picks are designed to be starters, Hitchens was a bad pick by that argument. Prewitt can be a starter next year just as easily as Hitchens was this year.
 

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The issue with Beasley is that he averages about 35% of the offensive snaps and does not play special teams.

A guy like Barry Church plays 100% of the defensive snaps and 50% of the special teams snaps.

Beasley is a good niche player but that's a lot of money allocated to a niche player.

Actually he is not a niche player. He's a slot guy who teams just cant seem the cover. It's not his fault that the cowboys have a top3 WR the offensie player of the yr and a HOF TE on his team. Beasley runs every route in the tree. He is not different then what Edelman is for the Pats. Except that he has 2 WRs ahead of him. He would be starting for both the Pats and Seahawks in that superbowl. Go back and do your history even recent, and i dare you to name one person that was a significant contributor on this team that went into his RFA season and didnt get a multi yr deal instead of the 1 yr tender. Ill even give you another example of it happening, and this was for a "niche" player, Keith Davis.
 

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Hitchens wasn't meant to be a starter and if Wilcox or Church gets hurt, guess what, Cody Prewitt will be starting too (he will be put in the exact same position Hitchens was this year).

Thats not a bad thing, because he played the single high at Ole Miss. Played in alot of coverage, covering the slot and TEs. I like his game
 

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No your original argument was that you didn't want to draft someone to be a backup in the first three rounds... which Hitchens was. If your first 3 picks are designed to be starters, Hitchens was a bad pick by that argument. Prewitt can be a starter next year just as easily as Hitchens was this year.

No, I said the 1st 3 rds. You are picking something arbitrary and continuing to argue.
 

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No, I said the 1st 3 rds. You are picking something arbitrary and continuing to argue.

But then you used Hitchens as your proof, how many third rounders started lets say 12 games this year anyway?
 

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Hitchens was only a starter because of injuries. So would you say the Pats had a bad draft last year?
No, Hitchens started 11 games. He started games over Bruce Carter. Carter was healthy and active in weeks 12 through 17 but only started 1 of those games. Hitchens started with Carter on the bench.
 

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Thats not a bad thing, because he played the single high at Ole Miss. Played in alot of coverage, covering the slot and TEs. I like his game

If Prewitt can't beat out Wilcox right away at FS then I think it's a wasted pick. Wilcox is still learning, but has some skills and upside. If they want to stick with Wilcox thru the learning curve, a 3rd round pick would be better used somewhere else like RT or CB.
 

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Actually he is not a niche player. He's a slot guy who teams just cant seem the cover. It's not his fault that the cowboys have a top3 WR the offensie player of the yr and a HOF TE on his team. Beasley runs every route in the tree. He is not different then what Edelman is for the Pats. Except that he has 2 WRs ahead of him. He would be starting for both the Pats and Seahawks in that superbowl. Go back and do your history even recent, and i dare you to name one person that was a significant contributor on this team that went into his RFA season and didnt get a multi yr deal instead of the 1 yr tender. Ill even give you another example of it happening, and this was for a "niche" player, Keith Davis.
I expect them to give him a multiple year contract, but for less money than you're suggesting.

I'm a fan of Beasley in his role, but he is 5-8, 180. Edelman is 5-10, 200.

If something happens to Dez, Beasley is unlikely to play all of the snaps.
 

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HITCHENS WASN'T MEANT TO BE A STARTER... JUST LIKE YOU ARE COMPLAINING THAT PREWITT WON'T BE MEANT TO BE A STARTER. That explain it well enough for you or should I use shorter words?
What are you talking about? Do you mean he was not intended to be a starter as a rookie or ever?
 
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