Romo or Brees

[John813]

Drew Brees

 

[Aviano90]

I continue to be amazed at how much better Tony Romo gets as a qb since he retired.

Greatest "Would Be Champion" of all time. So great in fact, he's better than actual champions, if only he had those other QB's teams, coaches, and health. His passer rating proves it.

 

[OmerV]

If it’s Brees by far then why do they have nearly the exact same QB rating over thousands of attempts between the two of them?

Not really apples to apples because Brees threw the ball much more on a per game and per season basis, and typically efficiency goes down the more a QB throws.

 

[mrmojo]

I continue to be amazed at how much better Tony Romo gets as a qb since he retired.

The Romo legend continues to grow even in retirement....poor Danny White should be so lucky....

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Not really apples to apples because Brees threw the ball much more on a per game and per season basis, and typically efficiency goes down the more a QB throws.

No it doesn’t.
Pick a QB, any QB and sort their most efficient seasons by rating (or YPA, or whatever). Then look at their attempts. There’s no pattern.
I just did Alex Smith and Matt Ryan. Ryan has thrown the ball 600 times in a season four times. Two were among his best seasons, and two were among his worst.

 

[G2]

No it doesn’t.
Pick a QB, any QB and sort their most efficient seasons by rating (or YPA, or whatever). Then look at their attempts. There’s no pattern.
I just did Alex Smith and Matt Ryan. Ryan has thrown the ball 600 times in a season four times. Two were among his best seasons, and two were among his worst.

So that's the only statistic you're factoring to crown the beloved Romo as the better QB?

 

[MarcusRock]

Not really apples to apples because Brees threw the ball much more on a per game and per season basis, and typically efficiency goes down the more a QB throws.

Good luck explaining that to him. If one can't see that in baseball batting average they're not ever going to see it. I can't tell if he's being serious or just plain stubborn at this point.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Good luck explaining that to him. If one can't see that in baseball batting average they're not ever going to see it. I can't tell if he's being serious or just plain stubborn at this point.

If you are so confident in your 3rd grade math education then why don’t we submit this discussion to r/math with a ban bet on the outcome? Let’s see if you actually believe what you are saying or if you are just running your mouth?

 

[MarcusRock]

In other other words Romo playing only 7 full seasons which is the least of any completed career near the top and why Wilson is so high actually favors a greater opportunity for a higher rating?

The probability that rating stays high throughout their career unless they maintain that level they had during their peaks years is unlikely?

Please clarify if I’ve misinterpreted.

OmerV put it simpler than I could which is that efficiency has a greater chance of going down the more attempts you make. It's the same as a running back breaking off two 20-yard runs to start a game. He has a 20.0 ypc average. Is it easier to rush 2 times for 40 yards or 20 times for 400 yards in a game? Both have a 20.0 ypc average but that guy is saying there's no difference at all. So he's saying that a runner who has 200 attempts in a season should get 4,000 yards as easily as the guy who rips off two 20-yard runs to start a game. Sounds logical, right?

 

[Diehardblues]

I continue to be amazed at how much better Tony Romo gets as a qb since he retired.

Yep!!

Dak could put Romo’s memory to sleep pretty quickly. Had a great opportunity in his Rookie season but the longer he goes without taking us further the greater Romo will become especially if we feel Dak has a more talented team overall.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

OmerV put it simpler than I could which is that efficiency has a greater chance of going down the more attempts you make. It's the same as a running back breaking off two 20-yard runs to start a game. He has a 20.0 ypc average. Is it easier to rush 2 times for 40 yards or 20 times for 400 yards in a game? Both have a 20.0 ypc average but that guy is saying there's no difference at all. So he's saying that a runner who has 200 attempts in a season should get 4,000 yards as easily as the guy who rips off two 20-yard runs to start a game. Sounds logical, right?

You must be trolling now. This is anti-logical. And you are putting words in my mouth and ignoring everything I said about volatility.
Let me ask you this. Why is it harder to rush 20 times for 400 yards? Is it for math reasons or other reasons like fatigue?

 

[G2]

You must be trolling now. This is anti-logical. And you are putting words in my mouth and ignoring everything I said about volatility.
Let me ask you this. Why is it harder to rush 20 times for 400 yards? Is it for math reasons or other reasons like fatigue?

I'll ask again, are you JUST arguing rating?

 

[Diehardblues]

OmerV put it simpler than I could which is that efficiency has a greater chance of going down the more attempts you make. It's the same as a running back breaking off two 20-yard runs to start a game. He has a 20.0 ypc average. Is it easier to rush 2 times for 40 yards or 20 times for 400 yards in a game? Both have a 20.0 ypc average but that guy is saying there's no difference at all. So he's saying that a runner who has 200 attempts in a season should get 4,000 yards as easily as the guy who rips off two 20-yard runs to start a game. Sounds logical, right?

Of course it does. It also explains why Montana and Young are only older era QB’s in upper part of this rating system with West Coast offense which were shorter passers which increased the percentages and accuracy .

Much like with Daks high completion percentage which skews his effectiveness and performance.
One half during our 3 game slump he was 9-10 for 45 yards. Lol

 

[CowboyRoy]

Keep in mind that football is a team sport. Thus, Brees may have more playoff wins, yet it doesn't automatically= " Better".

In their prime, who would you rather have? Furthermore, who was better in your opinion?

There is NOOOOOO debate whatsoever. Drew Brees is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game and has been elite his entire career. Romo is great but he doesnt sniff his undies.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Romo. Romo didnt fail in SD. Romo didnt fail on his own, he had to battle an FO as well. If Sean Payton doesnt give Brees a second chance, doubt many do.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Of course it does. It also explains why Montana and Young are only older era QB’s in upper part of this rating system with West Coast offense which were shorter passers which increased the percentages and accuracy .

Much like with Daks high completion percentage which skews his effectiveness and performance.
One half during our 3 game slump he was 9-10 for 45 yards. Lol

There’s nothing skewed about it, he completed 90% of his passes. The small sample size means the number isn’t very reliable, but the actual feat itself is no easier or harder than completing 900 out of 1000 passes or 900,000 out of 1,000,000 passes. It’s exactly the same.

 

[Diehardblues]

There is NOOOOOO debate whatsoever. Drew Brees is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game and has been elite his entire career. Romo is great but he doesnt sniff his undies.

While there’s no doubt Brees career doesn’t compare to Romo’s and I’d even argue their talent level overall doesn’t compare, for a few select years Romo played at a high level and in those limited seasons could probably be more compared to Brees.

But that would be framing the argument to support an opinion or narrative.

 

[OmerV]

Good luck explaining that to him. If one can't see that in baseball batting average they're not ever going to see it. I can't tell if he's being serious or just plain stubborn at this point.

Obviously a QB in an offense that is as heavily reliant on the passing game as the Saints can't play it as safe in the passing game as a QB who is in an offense where the passing game is a compliment to the running game. You can look at Romo, for example. His most efficient season, by far, was in 2014 with the DeMarco Murray led running game, and his worst was 2012 when he had the most passing attempts in his career. Since we are specifically talking about Romo in this thread, that obviously is a fair point. The bottom line is, a more pass heavy offense results in the passing game having to take more chances through the air. Obviously that doesn't mean every season will be the same, or that a heavy passing team can't be efficient, or a heavy running team will always have an efficient passing game, but in general more passes equals more passing risks.

 

[GenoT]

SB Title or High QBR?

If you could ask ANY QB who played in the NFL during the SB era, if he could only have one, which one do you think he’d take?

 

[Diehardblues]

There’s nothing skewed about it, he completed 90% of his passes. The small sample size means the number isn’t very reliable, but the actual feat itself is no easier or harder than completing 900 out of 1000 passes or 900,000 out of 1,000,000 passes. It’s exactly the same.

I understand what your saying mathematically. Yes the percentage is the same but that’s where stats can be unreliable as you said especially in smaller sample sizes.

It doesn’t skew the numbers . It only skews what they might represent.