Romo or Brees

[mattjames2010]

Romo's accolades need to come from the fact of how much of a hard worker he was. He was an undrafted QB who was nearly cut, kept a roster spot, battled it out while other scrub QBs dropped and then took the job from a well-known veteran QB and kept hat job for 10 seasons.

That gets respect in my book, and all these lazy first round picks should look to Romo to understand work ethic and determination.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

QB rating is hardly gospel.
How about TDs?
Durability & longevity?
Playoff appearances?
You want to fixate on one stat, be my guest.
You're on your own if you think Tony had a better career than Manning & Brees.

Did you even read the OP? Like the first line?
No one would argue that the current active leaders in QB rating wasnt a good representation of the actual best QB in the game today. QB rating suddenly falls apart when Romo’s name pops up on the list.

 

[MarcusRock]

That doesn’t make any sense. By throwing so many more passes he gave himself a larger buffer to throw interceptions and incompletions. All that matters is the rate. Brees was slightly better at completion percentage and interception rate, but Romo threw touchdowns at a greater rate and has a higher yards per attempt. All of these numbers favor greatly into the passer rating formula. You can’t find some secret in them. Brees was very prolific with yards and attempts per game (#1 all time) but so was Romo. If pure volume is your argument then you pretty much have to make the argument that Brees is the GOAT.

You don't get it. Throwing less favors a QB having a greater chance at better TD%, lower INT%, Yards per attempt, and completion percentage. Romo's statistical probabilities favor him in all 4 of those categories yet Brees exceeds Romo in 2 of those 4 categories anyway. I'm not talking strictly volume, I'm talking about how Brees excellence over Romo is seen in his volume. Here's another one, Brees missed less games to injury in his entire career (6) than Romo did on 3 separate occasions within a season despite playing more than 35% more games than Romo did. A person is not expected to be more durable when playing more but Brees has been. You get it now?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You don't get it. Throwing less favors a QB having a greater chance at better TD%, lower INT%, Yards per attempt, and completion percentage. Romo's statistical probabilities favor him in all 4 of those categories yet Brees exceeds Romo in 2 of those 4 categories anyway. I'm not talking strictly volume, I'm talking about how Brees excellence over Romo is seen in his volume. Here's another one, Brees missed less games to injury in his entire career (6) than Romo did on 3 separate occasions within a season despite playing more than 35% more games than Romo did. A person is not expected to be more durable when playing more but Brees has been. You get it now?

The bolded is completely false.
Let’s say you have two guys. One is 8 for 10 in completing passes. The other is 80 for 100. If you were to convert one of the first guys completions to an incompletion, he would become a 70% passer. Convert an incompletion to a completion and he’s a 90% passer. He has more volatility. Passer two is less affected by an incompletion... so it is harder for him to both raise and lower his percentages. Either way, their rates are exactly the same.
You are basically saying it is easier to go 8 for 10 than it is to go 80 for 100. If that doesn’t sound mathematically ridiculous to you, I suggest you take a break for a bit to clear your head.

 

[TwoDeep3]

In Rod Serling's voice....

The year is 2059
the place, CowboysZone
the post, Romo or Baxter the Robo-Slinger, a robotic quarterback that has won 10 super bowls in a row....
You have entered the Twilight Zone

 

[MarcusRock]

The bolded is completely false.
Let’s say you have two guys. One is 8 for 10 in completing passes. The other is 80 for 100. If you were to convert one of the first guys completions to an incompletion, he would become a 70% passer. Convert an incompletion to a completion and he’s a 90% passer. He has more volatility. Passer two is less affected by an incompletion... so it is harder for him to both raise and lower his percentages. Either way, their rates are exactly the same.
You are basically saying it is easier to go 8 for 10 than it is to go 80 for 100. If that doesn’t sound mathematically ridiculous to you, I suggest you take a break for a bit to clear your head.

Wow, man. You're just not getting this and making yourself look bad in the process. Forget football for a second. Look at your statement I put in bold and think baseball instead and tell me if that statement holds true.

Do you believe it now Trinity?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Wow, man. You're just not getting this and making yourself look bad in the process. Forget football for a second. Look at your statement I put in bold and think baseball instead and tell me if that statement holds true.

Do you believe it now Trinity?

Again you are confusing volatility for... something. The feat is exactly the same. Now you wouldn’t give the guy the batting title after 10 at bats. That’s why you have a minimum number of attempts... because of the volatility. But the actual feat itself is exactly the same. This is simple math. Seriously. I can’t explain it any clearer.

 

[lukin2006]

Brees wouldn't have won us a SB ... so I'll stick with the guy who could thrill you, break your heart and thrill you again all 1 quarter...

Romo throwing 5 INTS in Buffalo and still leading his team to a win...that was special.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Did you even read the OP? Like the first line?
No one would argue that the current active leaders in QB rating wasnt a good representation of the actual best QB in the game today. QB rating suddenly falls apart when Romo’s name pops up on the list.

Manning had ten seasons with a QB rating of 95.0 or higher, nine seasons with at least 30 TD passes, 14 seasons he threw for 4000 yrds or more. 539 career TDs.
Brees has nine seasons with at least 30 TD passes, eleven seasons with a QB rating of 95.0 or higher, twelve seasons where he threw more than 4000 yrds, 488 career TDs.
Romo had seven seasons with a QB rating of 95.0 or higher (that included his one drive in 2016), four seasons with at least 30 TD passes, four seasons with at least 4000 yrds passing, 248 career TD passes.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Keep in mind that football is a team sport. Thus, Brees may have more playoff wins, yet it doesn't automatically= " Better".

In their prime, who would you rather have? Furthermore, who was better in your opinion?

Brees, starting, was in 7 playoff victories. He has a Super Bowl ring.
Romo, our mutt, has 2 playoff wins as a starting QB. He's never sniffed a Super Bowl, much less a Super Bowl.
In the clutch?
Bree's by a mile.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Manning had ten seasons with a QB rating of 95.0 or higher, nine seasons with at least 30 TD passes, 14 seasons he threw for 4000 yrds or more. 539 career TDs.
Brees has nine seasons with at least 30 TD passes, eleven seasons with a QB rating of 95.0 or higher, twelve seasons where he threw more than 4000 yrds, 488 career TDs.
Romo had seven seasons with a QB rating of 95.0 or higher (that included his one drive in 2016), four seasons with at least 30 TD passes, four seasons with at least 4000 yrds passing, 248 career TD passes.

Did you even read the OP? Like the first line? Why are you trying to convince me that Peyton Manning played a lot longer and threw a lot more passes than Tony Romo? I already knew that.

 

[clintr22]

Brees. He was able to stay healthy, win a super bowl and leads in almost every other passing stat. No offense. I loved romo

 

[MarcusRock]

Again you are confusing volatility for... something. The feat is exactly the same. Now you wouldn’t give the guy the batting title after 10 at bats. That’s why you have a minimum number of attempts... because of the volatility. But the actual feat itself is exactly the same. This is simple math. Seriously. I can’t explain it any clearer.

It's not "simple math." It's statistical probability which is why you either can't or are deliberately failing to grasp it because it doesn't favor Romo versus Brees, even in some of the categories it should favor Romo. That alone would obliterate any case you could attempt to make for Romo as even on par with Brees. It's also why Romo defenders would need to go into side chatter about scheme, coaching, etc. to make their case because the numbers sure can't, even when you account for Brees' extra throwing.

You never did circle back to the conclusion you brought up. Is it easier to go 8 for 10 than it is to go 80 for 100? Let's think about basketball this time, lol.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This isn't an outlandish question if you look deeper into the stats. Romo had less support.

Here come the violins, mates.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

AND NEVER -- EVER -- PICK ROMO TO WIN IN DECEMBER!!!!

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Did you even read the OP? Like the first line? Why are you trying to convince me that Peyton Manning played a lot longer and threw a lot more passes than Tony Romo? I already knew that.

Repeating yourself again?
Manning and Brees were better in their prime.
And you're the one who brought up career QB rating which involves the whole career- You made your whole argument based on QB rating, but Brees & Manning had many more years with a 95.0 or better QB rating than Romo. Why? Because they stayed on the field.
They both consistently put up more TDs & yards than Romo when they were/are on the field.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Repeating yourself again?
Manning and Brees were better in their prime.
And you're the one who brought up career QB rating which involves the whole career- You made your whole argument based on QB rating, but Brees & Manning had many more years with a 95.0 or better QB rating than Romo. Why? Because they stayed on the field.
They both consistently put up more TDs & yards than Romo when they were/are on the field.

They put up more yards and TDs because they threw the ball more, not because they were better. Try again. And read the OP next time.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

He got it done at the highest level when his pass attempts were at their lowest level of his Saints career. Less Brees is more, apparently.

Same for Romo when he only threw 435
passes in 2014.

 

[Falco78]

I have Brees but just by a hair as he we under much better coaching. With Romo in that level of coaching I think it could be a tie or Romo slightly ahead

 

[armadillooutlaw]

They put up more yards and TDs because they threw the ball more, not because they were better. Try again. And read the OP next time.

That's hardly true.
Romo averaged between 30-40 pass attempts per game eight of ten seasons as a starter.
Manning averaged 30-40 attempts a game 14 seasons, Brees 7 seasons between 30-40 attempts per game, 8 seasons between 40-42 attempts per game.