Romo Stats Not Stans

ufcrules1 said:
Right, Alex isn't playing any role in that teams success either. He is making dumb mental mistakes and turning the ball over etc. His team just bails him out all the time.

It doesn't matter how much a QB passes, it matters if he helps lead his team to victory or not. Alex is doing just that in KC.
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In other words Smith has the enviable position of playing on a team he doesn't have to carry. He doesn't have to expose himself to those turnovers because he has running game and a defense that doesn't give up points like candy corn on Halloween. How would the Cowboys have looked last season with the 27th best passing game?
 
KJJ said:
If you don't have an agenda then provide a post to back up your claim that I'm saying Alex Smith is better than Romo? LOL You gave your own interpretation to some comments I made. You need to get outta here with all that!
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Vtwin said:
In other words Smith has the enviable position of playing on a team he doesn't have to carry. He doesn't have to expose himself to those turnovers because he has running game and a defense that doesn't give up points like candy corn on Halloween. How would the Cowboys have looked last season with the 27th best passing game?
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Don't ask questions that they cannot answer! Romo is the reason the Cowboys suck, and you better get used to it.
 
It looked to me like he's corrected the holding onto the ball too long, that he was having trouble with for the first two weeks. Yeah, it was the Rams, but the Rams are still rolling out Long, Quin and Brockers.
 
5Stars said:
Don't ask questions that they cannot answer! Romo is the reason the Cowboys suck, and you better get used to it.
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I try and stay out of these Romo threads but when someone states that Alex Smith is a better QB than Romo I can't help myself.
 
Vtwin said:
I try and stay out of these Romo threads but when someone states that Alex Smith is a better QB than Romo I can't help myself.
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Provide a post where someone said that?
 
Corso said:
UFC-guy, I forget his name has been arguing that the past 10-11 pages.
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Okay I could see UFC making that comment he clearly hates Romo. I thought you were referring to me listening to 5Stars claim that I said Smith is better than Romo which is absolutely ridiculous.
 
5Stars said:
Don't ask questions that they cannot answer! Romo is the reason the Cowboys suck, and you better get used to it.
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Don't make claims you can't prove it leads to questions you can't answer. If you don't have a link to a comment the comment doesn't exist.
 
jimnabby said:
I'm trying to figure out how the stats don't take this into account. Okay, the running piece of it maybe. But if a QB "can see and read what the defense is doing and call the best play against it and beat it", surely that will make his stats better. After all, he's calling better pass plays against it and he's not calling pass plays when a run is better.

And no, great players don't "perform at their best when the stakes are high and against the best teams." That's just a cliche. Great players perform well against everybody, and, like everyone else, they generally get better results against bad opponents than they do against good opponents.
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QB stats don't show how well the team runs the ball, if he's giving his defense a lead if he's racking up stats in garbage time, etc Also depending on the stat they can be extremely misleading and other factors like schedule and strength of opponent can make them inaccurate.

And yes great players do perform at their best in big games, best doesn't mean putting up the largest stats but doing the things that win games like not turning the ball over throughout the playoffs like Flacco or running the ball effectively in the Super Bowl like Peyton did.
 
Aurican said:
And yes great players do perform at their best in big games, best doesn't mean putting up the largest stats but doing the things that win games like not turning the ball over throughout the playoffs like Flacco or running the ball effectively in the Super Bowl like Peyton did.
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I'm so confused, I'm always being told that Peyton chokes in big games. His playoff record isn't so great, after all. And he threw an INT at the end of another Super Bowl, as I recall.
And when did Flacco become great? Sure, he played great in the playoffs last year, but nobody thought of him as great before that. I would think he's a perfect example of how non-great players can also perform at their best in big games.
 
Vtwin said:
Post #11
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It's anyone but Romo for UFC. His dislike for Romo is beyond anything I've seen on this board. Flacco wouldn't be a good fit with the Cowboys and he's not looking very good this season with a team that just won a championship. He's only tossed 3 TD's and has been sacked 8 times. He was sacked 35 times last season which would have equated into about 50 sacks behind the Cowboys OL. His passer rating is only 80.0.

He did show up in the playoffs last season but he's simply not productive enough during the regular season or mobile enough to get a team like the Cowboys to the playoffs. As for Alex Smith he's improved a lot but he's still a game manager I honestly don't see KC going very far with him. Things are looking good now with him but he's still not productive enough. You have to keep games close with him if you get 2-3 scores down he gets exposed.
 
jimnabby said:
I'm so confused, I'm always being told that Peyton chokes in big games. His playoff record isn't so great, after all. And he threw an INT at the end of another Super Bowl, as I recall.
And when did Flacco become great? Sure, he played great in the playoffs last year, but nobody thought of him as great before that. I would think he's a perfect example of how non-great players can also perform at their best in big games.
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There is no denying Peyton is a great player, the best ever no but he is great. Flacco greatly elevated his game last year, I always thought he was good and although he is not great yet he's on his way.
 
KJJ said:
It's anyone but Romo for UFC. His dislike for Romo is beyond anything I've seen on this board. Flacco wouldn't be a good fit with the Cowboys and he's not looking very good this season with a team that just won a championship. He's only tossed 3 TD's and has been sacked 8 times. He was sacked 35 times last season which would have equated into about 50 sacks behind the Cowboys OL. His passer rating is only 80.0.

He did show up in the playoffs last season but he's simply not productive enough during the regular season or mobile enough to get a team like the Cowboys to the playoffs. As for Alex Smith he's improved a lot but he's still a game manager I honestly don't see KC going very far with him. Things are looking good now with him but he's still not productive enough. You have to keep games close with him if you get 2-3 scores down he gets exposed.
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Agreed. The Cowboys have needed explosive QB play to succeed the past few years. Brady or Manning would have been destroyed on this team. Rogers is the only QB I can think of that may have been able to make the team competetive other than Romo. I'm am not saying that Romo is better overall than Brady or Manning.
 
What some of you here don't realize is players like Manning and Brady make their Olines better by the way they play. They are much better at catching the defense off guard. Manning and Brady would both do better here than Romo. You also wouldn't have players like Hatcher saying... "I don't know who our leaders are" either.
 
5Stars said:
And way to much of that offense is Romo's fault? The oline had nothing to do with his screw ups? The have to catch up to help the team get a win is Romo's fault because they cannot run the ball or the defense cannot stop other teams from scoring? I surely did not expect that from you.

And, if the Cowboys go on to win a SB this year? Guess what? Romo is not the only one to make that happen, but if the team stinks, you guys can go on and enjoy trashing the guy. I call it like I see it also, bro. shame, shame, shame...
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Not much. The OL has actually played pretty well. At what point did they have to catch up from so far behind this year? I am curious as to what you think you should expect from me. Further, what exactly do you feel I have been unfair with?

If the Cowboys go on to win the SB, Romo will, without a doubt, receive the lions share of credit. There is no question of that and if we do win it, he will deserve it. However, if he does not, then what does he deserve?

I have no problem with you calling whatever like you see it. But don't expect everybody to see it like you see it and don't complain if they don't. They too have the right to "Call It Like They See It."
 
Vtwin said:
Agreed. The Cowboys have needed explosive QB play to succeed the past few years. Brady or Manning would have been destroyed on this team. Rogers is the only QB I can think of that may have been able to make the team competetive other than Romo. I'm am not saying that Romo is better overall than Brady or Manning.
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I don't agree with this. If we had Manning or Brady, the offense would be different and so would the personnel so it's hard to say that they could not be successful. Things would obviously be very different.
 
ufcrules1 said:
Romo also has better stats than Eli too but which one is more clutch? I will take the QB with the 2 super bowl MVP awards.
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That shows your ignorance. Romo is as clutch as anyone. His team hasn't helped him at all.
 
ufcrules1 said:
What some of you here don't realize is players like Manning and Brady make their Olines better by the way they play. They are much better at catching the defense off guard. Manning and Brady would both do better here than Romo. You also wouldn't have players like Hatcher saying... "I don't know who our leaders are" either.
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Is anyone arguing that Romo is better than Brady or Manning?
 
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